The daffy, excitable Man Going His Own Way who calls himself MarkyMark may be my favorite manosphere blogger of all. Not only does he bring the lulz himself – who can forget the time he wrote a completely unironic point by point rebuttal of an Onion article? – but he also helps to bring attention to the equally stupefying work of others.
In his latest post, he directs our attention to some observations made by fellow MGTOWer Spock’s Disciple on the Happy Bachelors forum on the subject of pussy and its discontents. “This is good stuff, stuff my boys need to read,” Mark writes. “[Spock’s Disciple], like his hero, applied cold hearted logic when analzying pussy. The Force is STRONG with that one!”
Yes, he actually wrote that. I don’t think it’s a joke. I think he honestly does not know that there is a difference between Star Trek and Star Wars. How that is possible, I do not know.
Anyway, on to the eminently rational Spock’s Disciple, reflecting on the irrational power of the ladybits:
Remember that pussy is a biochemical WMD; wherever it is used, there is mass chaos and destruction. How many wars and conflicts have been fought at the urging and behest of women? More than any honest man would admit to and would be proud of.
Young men are apparently helpless in the face of the punany:
The need for pussy is a very real and built in addiction for men. We are hardwired by nature for sex and procreation. … [T]he sight and sound of pussy blinds younger men and allows them to be controlled by women though their hormones.
The, uh, SOUND of pussy? If I had to pick just two (or three, or four) sensory experiences relating to the vagina that would be generally considered appealing to heterosexual males, I’m not sure “sound” would make the cut.
But eventually even the horniest dudes start to get less horny – and thus less hypnotized by the power of the pussy. The only trouble is that by the time they lose interest in sex most of them are married, and they’re now stuck with the woman whose vagina formerly had them in thrall. It’s a grave injustice.
[W]hen most men pass the age of 30-35, they begin to awaken from this biochemical “dream” and what do they awaken beside? What do married men look forward to the next 30-50 years of their lives? Sleeping with a living corpse, which continues to torture and destroy them day by day? Looking forward to the time when the woman undergoes the process of metamorphosis, into a completely insane mummy (menopause and post menopause)?
This seems a tad alarmist. I mean, if your wife turns into a monster zombie-mummy – as all women apparently do after they hit their mid-thirties – you could always get separate bedrooms.
But Obi-Wan’s Spock’s Disciple has a more radical solution: don’t get into bed with the ladies in the first place!
Pussy is indeed way overrated and if younger men could get a shot of “anti-testosterone” for a few weeks, they could see through the eyes of men who are 40+; without the haze of hormones, you cannot believe how much farther you can see! It’s the difference between seeing the horizon through LA style smog and seeing the horizon from a high mountain in the Rockies.
Pussy is a man’s Achilles heel; once that man realizes this and takes the appropriate steps, he’ll never lose his peace of mind again. To these skeptical young men I say, there is an infinitely vast arena where you can have anything you desire, and can succeed at anything you wish to try for; all you have to do is see women for what they truly are, and become a master of the beast within; once you do that women’s true face will be visible to you, and you’ll never again partake of that foul potion.
It is possible to tame that beast, and indeed it is a certainty that you will learn much from the process of taming it; all it takes is patience and time. Look at your fellow men, your brothers in arms, and look at their almost invisible chains, and wonder at why you would desire such an existence for yourself?
And, hey, if all else fails, MarkyMark adds some advice of his own: pay a visit to Pamela Handerson before going out on the town with one of those vagina-people.
[T]here is one thing that the younger men can do until their sex drives die down permanently: masturbate before going out with a woman. … To put it another way, since the little head had been, shall we say, quieted down, the bigger head could work properly; the bigger head will then allow you to see a woman for who she REALLY is.
If you’re a fan of Spock, and looking for appropriate masturbatory material, might I suggest this?
Shakespeare’s works are in the popular culture, both historically (because seriously, he was writing lowbrow for his time) and currently (How many times has Romeo and Juliet been done, with contemporary ideas?), so yeah, Brandon, you’re in on the culture. Even the pop culture. And thinking he’s really, truly deep is *Definitely* a pop culture meme.
If you truly don’t have empathy for anyone other than a family member…didn’t you say that you’d let someone lie in the street or something and not feel bad? That’s detaching yourself from humanity. A humane person, one with empathy and you know…compassion? Would act to connect to that stranger and at least get help for them. Having a social life isn’t empathy necessarily.
Also? The standard of living you want is probably influenced by culture.
@Julie: Britney Spears is important?! HAHAHAHAHAHA. Human cloning, space travel, the iPod? If Britney Spears is important to humanity…I think I might just lose faith in it.
I was going to catch up on this thread, but at a glance it seems to have started to be all about Brandon’s narcissism again.
@Julie: Really? Then a lot of people have detached themselves from humanity. (see: the bystander effect).
I don’t need to be empathetic to random strangers to be connected to humanity. I love my close friends and family and I respect people I meet until they prove they lose it by being disrespectful. I don’t have to relate or emote with Joe Blow that lives down the street to be connected.
God. I said the phenomena of Britney. Or those like her. How celebrity works, how fame affects people, the media, clothing etc. You are so willfully obtuse. The thing is, none of these things exist independently of each other. How celebrity works…connects to the value we do or don’t put on space travel. Ipods? Contain room for podcasts on human cloning and FUCKING SONGS. By pop singers. Pop singers (and the technology that they produce with and through…influenced things like ipods). From stereos with headphones to walkmans and onward… But listening to music (and popular music at that) was key to the production of things like ipods.
Maybe you aren’t willfully obtuse. Maybe you are some demon from another dimension that just enjoys pretending to be obtuse. Or perhaps you are some kind of bodhisattva sent to earth to teach us how to spar and debate online. Either way, I’m having a hard time believing you are just a regular human. Cause you seem so…thoughtless.
If you’re not detaching yourself from humanity, then you’re not exactly being a true individualist, now are you? You know who are true individuals? Most reptiles. _That’s_ how you lead an individualist’s life. You may want to minimize your reliance on humanity, but you still do, for entertainment, affection, to ease your loneliness.
Oh, yeah, because the “be your own person and fuck the corporations” is totally not a cultural message to the point where it was even co-opted by the corporations for commercial purposes (is the “Obey your thirst” campaign still going on?). Our culture is really complex, and often self-contradictory. I mean, look, if you were born in Sparta a couple thousand (or so) years ago, your life goal would be to die in glorious battle. If it was Athens instead, you’d want to nail that tasty teenaged boy. If you were a feudal-era peasant, you’d have very similar goals, substituting “local lord” for “corporation” and adding in a few things about living past next week.
I sincerely hope that if you are ever, maud forbid, on a bike, hit by a car, that you don’t run into people who believe as you do; that what happens to you, a stranger is of no concern to them. I hope you get a lesson in empathy and altruism, by having complete strangers help you. But, at this point, knowing you, you’d just assume that their care for you was your rightful due, and you wouldn’t even need to thank them.
Speaking of the importance of celebrities, gossip is well-studied by anthropologists for a reason. It’s an important social activity because it teaches us what is and is not appropriate behavior. We’re also pretty interested in other people’s lives because we need to know what other people do. I’m unlikely to ever meet Britney Spears, but any impulse to know about her is probably related to the desire to know what the people in my monkey sphere are up to, because it directly affects my life.
Random, I kind of love you a lot. A whole heck of a lot.
That last was unclear, sorry. I mean that it is vital for me to know what’s going on in my monkey sphere, and that curiosity is probably related to the curiosity about what celebrities are doing, even if that doesn’t affect me at all.
Thanks so much! I’ve been lurking here awhile, and I love all the regular feminist commeners here.
Anthropology is just so captivating. Thanks for speaking up.
@Julie: Ok…ok if you think it is important.
How celebrity works? A large media outlet plasters a semi functional but attractive girl all over the country on billboards, radio and TV. In an effort to sell shit by making people feel like they “want” that lifestyle. Celebrities are the carrot dangling from the string saying “your life is unfulfilled if you don’t have XYZ”
That is how celebrity works. My point is that message is fucking stupid and actively makes people unhappy by saying you aren’t “complete” unless you do XYZ or have XYZ. By tuning it out, you can actually spend some time by yourself and have some introspection on what you really want in life.
Not Britney Spears the person, Brandon, the phenomenon of Britney Spears. You do realize that prior to Spears the pushing of adult versions of sexuality onto teenaged pop stars was significantly more covert. Spears’ video with her in a plaid school girls’ uniform dancing and lip synching down a hallway was not simply a wink and a nod to the idea of the naughty young girl but a direct reference to a cultural meme that had previously only been acknowledged with a dirty jokes on one side and lips pursed in disapproval on the other.
The trials and tribulations of child stars have been a part of our popular entertainment culture for nearly (possibly longer) a century. Spears was relevant because, whereas before, child stars often displayed an outsized talent (see: young Michael Jackson, Macauly Culkin in Uncle Buck, Shirley Temple) her talent was objectively minimal. A decent dancer with some charisma, to be sure, but nothing you couldn’t find better in hundreds of middle-schools and high schools around the country. Purely a product of production and promotion. And maybe one of the first teen stars to have a “countdown to legal age” sentiment expressed in such a public fashion.
I don’t know the details of her life, her marriages, etc. I don’t care. But from the moment she came on the scene a loud conversation about the sexualization of teenage girls has become a prominent part of the cultural discussion. And I care about that.
You really have no idea how culture works let alone “pop” culture. Britney Spears is -well really was- pop culture. So was Pulp Fiction. So were Sherlock Holmes stories. So is advertising. So are ipods.
@random: So we need celebrities to tell us what those social norms are so we can be good little citizens and conform?
You are so funny Brandon, really you are. You are talking about the task of how celebrity works. The step by step. A into B and then C happens. We are talking about the process. The result of C influences Z. It’s truly like we are speaking different languages, Brandon. The message of stupidity “actively makes people unhappy by saying you aren’t “complete” unless you do XYZ or have XYZ.” is a process that anthropologist study. The tasks (get Britney on the news) is something PR specialists study. Though my guess is that the PR people also study some anthro so they know WHY what they are doing is working.
It’s ok Brandon. You don’t have to understand what we are saying.
I think what Random is saying is that anthropologists are important because they tell us (or they try to find out) why those particular social norms came into being at particular times and what that tells us about culture, pop or otherwise. Kind of like a diagnostician.
Random, I may be wrong about that…correct if necessary.
Really? Random6x7 writes cogently about the anthropological importance of gossip -which is all that celebrity fixation is, gossip on a massive scale- and you think that conformity is the issue?
What are you 19?
@Julie: Ya…if you can see that A into B produces C and C is a message of stupidity and blind conformity, then what does it matter if it influences Z.
Yes. There are hundreds of people and thousands of companies that push Britney. The record company plays a part as does the marketing company and the every other company that is connected to Britney.
It’s like talking to a wall, trying to discuss anything with you Brandon. You really aren’t even trying to understand what several of us are trying to say. Like, it would be one thing if you paraphrased, asked questions and thoughtfully disagreed. But you just go, Nuh UH!
That’s willful obtuseness.
It’s midnight here and I have to run 4 miles in the morning, so I’ll cease for now and see where things have left on in the AM.
I can’t believe I am even talking about gossip. Pointless drivel.
I’m really curious about whether you are being purposefully obtuse or whether your reading comprehension skills are just that poor, Brandon. It could go either way, because I’ve known people in both camps who would respond in the same ways that you are. Please, tell me, are you being sincere?
No, I never said that celebrities tell us social norms. They’re just individual people. Any given individual has only a limited ability to affect culture, especially one as large as ours. Some have more chance than others, but the Jesuses and the Hitlers are pretty rare, and they need help, too. However, the way we talk about them certainly tells us what’s okay and what’s not. Social mores are created and strengthened by the mass opinion of the people around you.
No problem, juliejezebel! I love this stuff and probably should become a professor because I definitely have the lecturing instinct. 🙂
And with that comment, Brandon dismisses the hard work and thoughtful analyses of hundreds of very intelligent social scientists.
Fucking culture, how does it work? I don’t want to talk to no scientist, they be tellin’ lies and gettin’ me pissed!