The daffy, excitable Man Going His Own Way who calls himself MarkyMark may be my favorite manosphere blogger of all. Not only does he bring the lulz himself – who can forget the time he wrote a completely unironic point by point rebuttal of an Onion article? – but he also helps to bring attention to the equally stupefying work of others.
In his latest post, he directs our attention to some observations made by fellow MGTOWer Spock’s Disciple on the Happy Bachelors forum on the subject of pussy and its discontents. “This is good stuff, stuff my boys need to read,” Mark writes. “[Spock’s Disciple], like his hero, applied cold hearted logic when analzying pussy. The Force is STRONG with that one!”
Yes, he actually wrote that. I don’t think it’s a joke. I think he honestly does not know that there is a difference between Star Trek and Star Wars. How that is possible, I do not know.
Anyway, on to the eminently rational Spock’s Disciple, reflecting on the irrational power of the ladybits:
Remember that pussy is a biochemical WMD; wherever it is used, there is mass chaos and destruction. How many wars and conflicts have been fought at the urging and behest of women? More than any honest man would admit to and would be proud of.
Young men are apparently helpless in the face of the punany:
The need for pussy is a very real and built in addiction for men. We are hardwired by nature for sex and procreation. … [T]he sight and sound of pussy blinds younger men and allows them to be controlled by women though their hormones.
The, uh, SOUND of pussy? If I had to pick just two (or three, or four) sensory experiences relating to the vagina that would be generally considered appealing to heterosexual males, I’m not sure “sound” would make the cut.
But eventually even the horniest dudes start to get less horny – and thus less hypnotized by the power of the pussy. The only trouble is that by the time they lose interest in sex most of them are married, and they’re now stuck with the woman whose vagina formerly had them in thrall. It’s a grave injustice.
[W]hen most men pass the age of 30-35, they begin to awaken from this biochemical “dream” and what do they awaken beside? What do married men look forward to the next 30-50 years of their lives? Sleeping with a living corpse, which continues to torture and destroy them day by day? Looking forward to the time when the woman undergoes the process of metamorphosis, into a completely insane mummy (menopause and post menopause)?
This seems a tad alarmist. I mean, if your wife turns into a monster zombie-mummy – as all women apparently do after they hit their mid-thirties – you could always get separate bedrooms.
But Obi-Wan’s Spock’s Disciple has a more radical solution: don’t get into bed with the ladies in the first place!
Pussy is indeed way overrated and if younger men could get a shot of “anti-testosterone” for a few weeks, they could see through the eyes of men who are 40+; without the haze of hormones, you cannot believe how much farther you can see! It’s the difference between seeing the horizon through LA style smog and seeing the horizon from a high mountain in the Rockies.
Pussy is a man’s Achilles heel; once that man realizes this and takes the appropriate steps, he’ll never lose his peace of mind again. To these skeptical young men I say, there is an infinitely vast arena where you can have anything you desire, and can succeed at anything you wish to try for; all you have to do is see women for what they truly are, and become a master of the beast within; once you do that women’s true face will be visible to you, and you’ll never again partake of that foul potion.
It is possible to tame that beast, and indeed it is a certainty that you will learn much from the process of taming it; all it takes is patience and time. Look at your fellow men, your brothers in arms, and look at their almost invisible chains, and wonder at why you would desire such an existence for yourself?
And, hey, if all else fails, MarkyMark adds some advice of his own: pay a visit to Pamela Handerson before going out on the town with one of those vagina-people.
[T]here is one thing that the younger men can do until their sex drives die down permanently: masturbate before going out with a woman. … To put it another way, since the little head had been, shall we say, quieted down, the bigger head could work properly; the bigger head will then allow you to see a woman for who she REALLY is.
If you’re a fan of Spock, and looking for appropriate masturbatory material, might I suggest this?
@Elizabeth: Ya, I don’t really care…just like she doesn’t want to get into long drawn out talks about electronics. We all find somethings to be boring, borderline arbitrary, or pointless. Mine is fashion and she knows it. And in return, I don’t start rambling on about how to rebuild a computer.
@random: I basically make sure the colors match and that they are ironed and clean. Other than that, I don’t care. I see practically all fashion etiquette as arbitrary and in the end it doesn’t make all that big a difference. People aren’t going to notice you aren’t wearing cufflinks, unless you are with elitist douchebags. And really…is anything terrible going to happen to me if I don’t follow that etiquette? No. “Psst! He isn’t wearing his cufflinks…what a savage!” HAHAHAHA
@Nobinayamu: I care a little bit. I want my clothes to be clean and not wrinkled. I have shown up wearing something completely different then what everyone else was wearing (men wearing suits, I show up in jeans and a t-shirt). You know when that becomes an issue for me? When I actually give a shit what those people think of what I am wearing. These people are random strangers…so what do I care what they think?
@random: It’s ok, the arguments that I hear from a lot of the commenters here are eerily predictable too.
I might not be special to you…but I am special to my social group and myself. And in the end, that is more important.
Yeah. Dozens of guys like you. Clean (mostly) khakis and shirt with no tears and you’re out the door. Everyone else is an elitist douchebag who care about the opinions of strangers. I’ll say this, though, if you’re doing IT on a small scale with little or no ambition to do bigger things, it probably doesn’t matter. And it definitely helps if you’re a white guy. Far fewer people will question your professionalism in a work environment for meeting the minimum standards required to stay just this side of “slovenly”.
Hey, if it works for you, it works for you. But that “colors match, clean, no wrinkles” stipulation? Don’t look now, Brandon, but that’s culture.
Why would that be important when you’ve told us that friendships are not important to you?
But they will notice if you wear a bathing suit to a wedding. Or your robe to work. Okay, so there’s high fashion, which is art, even if you do not personally care about it. If you don’t think it’s art, you should watch an Alexander McQueen show. There is no way in hell those pieces are meant for use by regular (rich) people. There is fashion in the fashion magazine sense, which is what you claim not to care about but really do because you appreciate the result even if you don’t know if Ashley wears Louboutins or JC Penney’s. And then there’s fashion in the sense of what people wear and the rules of dress that most everyone obeys, where you wear clothes that are appropriate for the occasion. The fact that you iron your clothes is part of this, because there’s no other reason to worry about wrinkles. Or color matching. Or ever changing out of your pajamas.
Random6x7 are you trying to explain the different meanings of the word “fashion” to Brandon? You’re a patient soul.
Yes, yes, we’re all our own unique, special little snowflakes. We’re also all at least somewhat predictable based on our gender, our country of origin, our family, and so on. When I say you’re predictable, snowflake, I mean that, as I said before, the rugged individualist crap is pure American. Your “I don’t care about silly things like fashion or pop culture” is normal unthinking elitism, and the specific disdain for fashion probably relates back to its association with women and gay men and the wider culture’s disdain for them. You don’t even say things in a new and interesting way. It’s not a big deal; there really is very little new under the sun. But when you insist that, oh no, _you_ aren’t affected by what random people think or culture or any of that, it’s kind of funny. There’s just such a lack of awareness.
@Nobinayamu: Everyone else is not an elitist douchebag. But people that make arbitrary judgements on people that aren’t following fashion norms are petty douchebags and I wouldn’t want to be around them anyways.
My work ambitions are pretty much “these are my expenses + 300 bucks for fun”. I see no need to become some senior IT engineer and waste my life slaving in an office. I pay the few bills I have, put a little away for savings and spend the rest on enjoying life.
Also most of the IT industry is business casual. So walking in wearing a suit is kind of overdressing.
Nobinayamu, I feel like I should start at a more basic level. Do you think he’s aware there are homonyms in English?
Nobinayamu: Sadly, that’s not true, about van Gogh not selling anything. Theo was selling some, but he cheating Vincent. Who knows if knowing some were selling might have alleviated his depression.
You guys, I really don’t think he has one whit of an idea of what you all are talking about, despite the beautiful examples you’ve been offering. And I love that Devil Wears Prada link.
Brandon: What is so terrible about believing in individuals as opposed to groups and being reliant mostly on yourself.
It doesn’t work.
Go ahead, name some “individuals” who did it all themselves. Gates didn’t. Not only did his father spend a lot of money getting him access to programming opportunities when he was a teen, but he gave him a hundred grand to found Microsoft… the whole, “Guy who saw a chance and dropped out of Harvard to gamble everything…” A myth.
Andrew Carnegie had railroads. The Rail Barons had cheap rights of way.
The Ford had roads.
No roads, no cars. Really. Without roads to drive them on, wheeled vehicles are piss-poor means of transportation.
Those roads, to make it possible to move goods to market, and armies to frontiers, were one of the primary functions of gov’t. Qin China, Republican/Imperial/Byzantine Rome. The Post Office, the creation/maintenance of roads are mandated in the Constitution.
And without those roads/railroads (which came first, and were gov’t supported/subsidised. Where they weren’t, they failed to get a foothold. Once they were esttablised as an Idea, then they could go it, semi-autonomously) there would not be the sort of factorization we have).
People need each other. We are social animals.
There is actual depth and symbolism with Shakespeare
Now. At the time the one was a hack, and the other was seen as too loud, and brash, in his colors/strokes.
For, “meaningful” plays you have to look at things like “Gorboduc” for really interesting, and challenging, images, I’d recommend Nicholas Hilliard.
But that, you know, would be moving into real study, as opposed to making references shaped by popular culture.
I don’t really care what Ashley puts on as long as it is socially acceptable attire (not wearing jeans to a play).
DING!
The Irony is strong with this one.
@Hellkell: Listen, you like fashion and see value in it. I don’t. Lets just agree to disagree. B
That wasn’t your tune when you were dismissing it, out of hand.
@Random: Ya I dislike fashion because I hate gay people. Pfft! If two guys want to have sex, let them. There actions do not affect my life at all.
So caring about fashion and pop culture is non-elitism? Ya OK!!
Brandon, that wasn’t a dig. I get who you are. And, yeah, like I said, dressing better than you do is not required for your career and ambitions. Good for you. I know you have a hard time with this concept, Brandon, but not everyone is you. Marinate on that for a minute.
Some of us actually have to worry about the image we project through our clothes, style and comportment. Not just to advance, but to actually do our work successfully.
I think you’d have to be certain that he even understands what language is and how it works, first.
Brandon: @Random: Ya I dislike fashion because I hate gay people.
That’s not what Random said. What was said is the present disdain for fashion is based on a cultural impression that it’s meant for gay men and rich women with too much time.
Never mind that up until 200 years ago it was crucially important for men to be dressing well (and looking like peacocks).
It’s not that simple, Brandon. My god, you must have driven your teachers and possibly professors to drink. I’d explain how we all absorb the biases of our cultures, but that’s college level stuff and you’re not yet out of grade school on this. If you want extra credit, though, think about possible reasons why “girly” and “gay” are considered insults.
No, it’s not non-elitism to care about pop culture – by the way, how are you defining the difference between pop and high culture? We’ve been trying to explain to you that they are fuzzy distinctions and always have been. How do you decide right now what’s pop culture and what’s not? It’s obviously not just what would show up in a museum. That’s what’s elitist, your out-of-hand dismissal of pop culture. Pop culture’s a broad category and includes some quite intelligent things.
I forget, sometimes, about the way he died. And, you’re right, for the sake of accuracy, it isn’t fair to say that he never sold anything. He was not widely appreciated by his contemporaries. That much is true.
Caring (and I’m using that word rather loosely) about fashion and pop culture isn’t elitism, it’s about having an awareness of the world around you. There’s more to everything than just you, surprise, surprise.
@Pecunium: Obviously one can not fully detach from society.
I see individualism as nothing more than taking your wants and goals and placing them above what others want you to be your wants and goals. I actually find it rather selfish of society and other people to say “you shouldn’t focus on your goals but use your energy to help us finish ours”
Also, there are levels of self-reliance and self-sufficiency. Obviously you will never be self-sufficient or reliant when it comes to infrastructure or things like police and fire departments. But one can apply self-reliance to other things…like not becoming overly debt ridden. And self-reliance also leads to more autonomy since you are in a position of strength and not weakness. People that are more self-reliant than the average citizen is in a better position to not be coerced
Except your wants and goals have already been dictated by the culture in which you grew up. And completely detaching yourself from the rest of humanity is an excellent way to drive yourself insane.
@Hellkell: I am aware of the world around me. I just don’t think it matters what Britney Spears did last week (or what she wore for that matter). I find most of pop culture to be devoid of substance and vapid. People spending so much time absorbing every little pointless detail about someone else’s life and what they are doing with their life. There are SO many ways one can spend their time better.
Brandon, celebrity gossip is not the sum of pop culture. Way to miss the point yet again.
Or, y’know, swing and a miss!
And all of those other ways are…duh duh duh…culture. Which influences you. Think of it this way. Are fish always aware of the water they swim in? Do we always notice air? It’s always their though pressing against our bodies and influencing everything. Culture is like that.
That you know not to wear jeans to a play, or that a suit would be “too much” for your office, means you are influenced by culture. Dismissing pop culture out of hand is incredibly elitist. Britney Spears, the phenomena of, is very important to understand. Not to like, mind you, but to understand. Or Bieber. Or why certain looks of women are important at certain points in history. It’s all culturally applied. Evo psych? BS.
@random: Who said anything about detaching myself from humanity? One can be an individualist and still have a social life.
Really? ALL my goals? What are the goals “society” usually pressures men to achieve? Go to college, get a good job, find a wife, have kids, buy a house, etc…
My goals: Work enough to support the standard of living I want which is pretty minimal, Spend time enjoying life and not as some corporate drone slaving away 14 hours a day for nothing.
Ya…if anything. I am not following my cultures programming.