The daffy, excitable Man Going His Own Way who calls himself MarkyMark may be my favorite manosphere blogger of all. Not only does he bring the lulz himself – who can forget the time he wrote a completely unironic point by point rebuttal of an Onion article? – but he also helps to bring attention to the equally stupefying work of others.
In his latest post, he directs our attention to some observations made by fellow MGTOWer Spock’s Disciple on the Happy Bachelors forum on the subject of pussy and its discontents. “This is good stuff, stuff my boys need to read,” Mark writes. “[Spock’s Disciple], like his hero, applied cold hearted logic when analzying pussy. The Force is STRONG with that one!”
Yes, he actually wrote that. I don’t think it’s a joke. I think he honestly does not know that there is a difference between Star Trek and Star Wars. How that is possible, I do not know.
Anyway, on to the eminently rational Spock’s Disciple, reflecting on the irrational power of the ladybits:
Remember that pussy is a biochemical WMD; wherever it is used, there is mass chaos and destruction. How many wars and conflicts have been fought at the urging and behest of women? More than any honest man would admit to and would be proud of.
Young men are apparently helpless in the face of the punany:
The need for pussy is a very real and built in addiction for men. We are hardwired by nature for sex and procreation. … [T]he sight and sound of pussy blinds younger men and allows them to be controlled by women though their hormones.
The, uh, SOUND of pussy? If I had to pick just two (or three, or four) sensory experiences relating to the vagina that would be generally considered appealing to heterosexual males, I’m not sure “sound” would make the cut.
But eventually even the horniest dudes start to get less horny – and thus less hypnotized by the power of the pussy. The only trouble is that by the time they lose interest in sex most of them are married, and they’re now stuck with the woman whose vagina formerly had them in thrall. It’s a grave injustice.
[W]hen most men pass the age of 30-35, they begin to awaken from this biochemical “dream” and what do they awaken beside? What do married men look forward to the next 30-50 years of their lives? Sleeping with a living corpse, which continues to torture and destroy them day by day? Looking forward to the time when the woman undergoes the process of metamorphosis, into a completely insane mummy (menopause and post menopause)?
This seems a tad alarmist. I mean, if your wife turns into a monster zombie-mummy – as all women apparently do after they hit their mid-thirties – you could always get separate bedrooms.
But Obi-Wan’s Spock’s Disciple has a more radical solution: don’t get into bed with the ladies in the first place!
Pussy is indeed way overrated and if younger men could get a shot of “anti-testosterone” for a few weeks, they could see through the eyes of men who are 40+; without the haze of hormones, you cannot believe how much farther you can see! It’s the difference between seeing the horizon through LA style smog and seeing the horizon from a high mountain in the Rockies.
Pussy is a man’s Achilles heel; once that man realizes this and takes the appropriate steps, he’ll never lose his peace of mind again. To these skeptical young men I say, there is an infinitely vast arena where you can have anything you desire, and can succeed at anything you wish to try for; all you have to do is see women for what they truly are, and become a master of the beast within; once you do that women’s true face will be visible to you, and you’ll never again partake of that foul potion.
It is possible to tame that beast, and indeed it is a certainty that you will learn much from the process of taming it; all it takes is patience and time. Look at your fellow men, your brothers in arms, and look at their almost invisible chains, and wonder at why you would desire such an existence for yourself?
And, hey, if all else fails, MarkyMark adds some advice of his own: pay a visit to Pamela Handerson before going out on the town with one of those vagina-people.
[T]here is one thing that the younger men can do until their sex drives die down permanently: masturbate before going out with a woman. … To put it another way, since the little head had been, shall we say, quieted down, the bigger head could work properly; the bigger head will then allow you to see a woman for who she REALLY is.
If you’re a fan of Spock, and looking for appropriate masturbatory material, might I suggest this?
WHY do the colors need to match? Innate or cultural?
Also, lol that Brandon thinks culture is only in shows and media we choose to consume 😀
For that matter, why even where clothes on days when it’s more comfortable not to? Moar culture!
@random: Big difference between Gucci/Armani and Shakespeare/Van Gogh. There is actual depth and symbolism with Shakespeare and Van Gogh. Gucci is just making crap so people will buy it. Yes, It looks good, but serves no other purpose other than generating revenue.
I personally don’t care that Gucci and/or Armani make lots of money, just that the motives behind what they do is much more superficial.
I just find it hard to believe that we are THAT susceptible to culture. Like men and women are just walking around prattling on and making decisions because “society” “put the bug in you”.
@Nobinayamu: Yes, I am sure there are people out there that think reading and paying attention to current events is pointless. I don’t really give a rats ass about what they feel about my decisions about my life. They don’t have to live imy life…I do.
@Elizabeth: You are free to like fashion to your heart explodes from all the joy it brings you. However, I find it pointless and even the questions you brought up (fasteners) are sort of arbitrary. It’s all decoration…there is no substance. All potatoes and no meat as the saying goes..
But I guess to each their own.
I don’t really care what Ashley puts on as long as it is socially acceptable attire (not wearing jeans to a play). What I do care about is the time she put into it. The effort is much more important to me than the end result. She wants to look good for me, and it is one of the things I love about her. But I have no real issues between her wearing a red dress as opposed to black. Or how many accessories she is wearing. or X kind of makeup. Nor do I care if she is wearing payless shoes as opposed to Nine West (I literally had to Google a heel company which shows how little I care)
and Brandon misses the point again
You’ve just proven in your typically self-centered way that you know next to nothing about haute couture. High fashion is about more than making money, that is art, and can have every bit as much symbolism and depth as Shakespeare or Van Gogh (what depth you’ve displayed with those examples!). The training and study that goes into that level is a lot more than selling it to the masses.
How nice of you to appoint yourself Grand High Arbiter of what’s superficial.
Why’s Ashley’s effort more important than the end result? Does this have to do with rates of inflation and whether or not you have to patch her?
Also Shakespeare was pretty much making his plays as something to sell: “seats.” And you are sadly mistaken about the outfits she wears to look nice just being about a colour of dress.
@Hellkell: Listen, you like fashion and see value in it. I don’t. Lets just agree to disagree. BTW, I didn’t appoint myself to anything. I just stated my personal opinion on it. You really need to not blow things out of proportion.
@Elizabeth: I don’t care because the clothing isn’t beautiful…she is. She could wear a hoodie and sweatpants and I would still think she is sexy as ever.
Don’t tell me what I need to do, oh great mansplainer. You know what? You’re dull. You come in here and opinionate all over the place, are dishonest, and I can’t fathom for the life of me why you come here.
@Hellkell: Because I like annoying you. ;P
You find it hard to believe that we’re that susceptible to culture? I don’t even fucking know what to say to that. Dude, I am not talking about peer pressure. I am talking about the thing that made you human, without which you would not even be able to take care of yourself. For fuck’s sake. We are that susceptible to culture. Everything we do is fucking culture! Language? Culture. What we eat? Culture. The way we relate to our friends? Culture. It even affects us physiologically. With humans, it is almost impossible to overstate the role of culture. You damn well do make the decisions you do because of the culture you grew up in. Do you honestly believe your daily life would be the same if you were Chinese or Mbuti or Ju/’hoansi? Fuck no!
When I take over the country, anthropology classes will be required. This sort of ignorance will not stand in my dictatorship!
You really don’t know anything about high fashion at all. Or, well, regular art, either, since Shakespeare was explicitly writing for a popular audience, as was Jane Austen, Charles Dickens, Dostoyevsky, and so on. But the Met has a whole section on fashion. If world premier museums think that fashion is art, maybe we should listen to them.
As per usual, Brandon does not remember this is referring to going on a formal date, not her sexiness level. Which is not a surprise.
If she wears a red dress with the wrong shoes and other touches when going on a formal wear date, she may be sexy to you but she is also going to embarass you by looking poorly put together. This is one of many reasons why fashion is beyond just looks good. It takes effort and understanding of style to put together a decent outfit.
I would suggest asking her about it but you strike me as the type of guy to fugue out when it is not something you care about.
You would notice if Ashley wore Payless shoes instead of Nine West shoes, Brandon because her feet would hurt when you all walked places together in the cheaper shoes, thus slowing her down and inconveniencing you. I’m sure you’d notice that. And you never answered the question: why do colors have to match if fashion is pointless?
All kidding aside, dude, art you don’t care about and don’t understand is still art. Shakespeare wrote the comedies and melodramas of his day and they were not considered high art. Van Gogh never sold a painting. Who decided that their work was good, or valuable, or had actual symbolism and depth? Shakespeare’s plays are full of bawdy humor and bad puns* and Van Gogh was largely ignored by his contemporaries. And you, who believe that you genuinely fall outside of the influence of culture, referenced to of the most popular artists of all time. Is there work not now reproduced on a massive scale able to be consumed by anyone who has the price of a movie ticket or the money to buy a poster.
It’s amazing to me that you can consider yourself such an original and out of the box thinker when your ideas are so banal and provincial. I’m astonished that you have so little understanding of what the word “culture” actually means and the way its influence is literally unavoidable. Haven’t you traveled anywhere outside of the U.S.? Did you not notice the differences in language and ideas of people in other countries? Really?
I don’t know why I’m surprised. You’re mostly a walking contradiction; solipsistic to the core. Capitalism is important but a multi-billion dollar industry that employs people all over the world is pointless. Because you don’t care about it. Except that you want your girlfriend to look attractive for you. And fashion -as represented not just by clothing and style- is never reflective of changes in culture, the world or politics. People dress as they always have. Why, I’m sure you’re wearing a waist-coat right now. You are so silly.
And, while I’m sure you pay attention to current events, Brandon I’d also bet cash that you do other things, outside of work, that someone might consider pointless. You don’t listen to music? Watch movies? Watch sports? Play sports? Watch porn? Eat pizza? You’re attempts to portray yourself as completely a part from all modern frivolity are adorable but unconvincing.
Ninja-ed. Many times over. Brandon…
I don’t know. I’ve run into dozens of guys like you over the course of my career and I’m sure I’ll run into dozens more.
I had a professor once claim that the rules for dress in the modern US are more complicated than those for imperial China. I can totally believe it, particularly for women, but men’s fashion isn’t all that simple, either. You do follow rules, Brandon, or else people would look at you funny every time you went out at the very least. You may not realize it, but it’s not actually instinctual to wear a button-down shirt to dress up and a t-shirt to the gym.
Random 6×7, I love you.
Colour matching is interesting, because there are objective properties to colours and how they interact, but there are cultural interpretations of these phenomena as well. Anyone else remember when red and pink didn’t go together? They do just fine now, but about 20 years ago they didn’t.
If Brandon starts bloviating about atonal music, I have a similar and much more detailed spiel about intervals, but I’ll save it fornow. XD
Especially since he’s on the internet, posting off-topic comments on a blog.
When people say that they don’t care about how they look or dressI can’t help but to smile. It isn’t possible. At the very least, you want people to think that you don’t care about how you look.
Nor would The Most Interesting Man in the World realize that the high fashion he looks down upon does trickle down and influences even the jeans and t-shirts eventually.
I bet he’s one of those “I don’t have a tv” people who say it so smugly that you want to ram their head through one.
@random: Yes and if I was born in Germany…I would be speaking in Deutsch.
And America has so many sub-cultures, I can basically pick the ones I want to be apart of. There’s hipster culture, rap culture, metal culture, gun culture, liberal culture, conservative culture, and so on and so on.
I am not saying people aren’t affected by culture. But I do think parts of it can be easily dismissed (pop culture).
Who knows if I would have a different life if I was born a Chinese American instead of an Irish American. We can never know so debating it is kind of pointless since it will always be a hypothetical.
I don’t know anything about high fashion because I never got past “WTF is the point of all this?” with a meaningful answer besides “Americans have so much free time, they can spend their time doing superficial and cosmetic things that serve little to no other purpose than to make things look visually appealing”
Brandon, there’s so much more to the term “culture” than music, fashion and politics. All of those subcultures exist within the frame of our larger culture and that larger culture has changed drastically over time. Cultures, within cultures all relating to one another in a myriad of ways but none able to ignore the presence if not the influence of the others.
Do you really not see this? Of course your life would be different if you’d been born to Chinese parents in America. It would be even more different if you’d been born Chinese. Have you ever been out of the U.S.? Do you imagine that we’re the only country that cares about clothes? Seriously, how can your thinking be this small?
Brandon: I know you don’t think I understand economics. I also know that you completely ignored my comments on the actual practicalities of gold as a means to manage an economy.
So, when all is said and done, I suspect the impartial reader will come an opinion on our various merits, and my money is on me. I know you disagree, but I’ve seen what you think is logic, and what you think of connotative meaning, and how you fail to maintain consistent rules between you, your pet theories and the unpleasant facts.
So you may imagine how crushed I am to know that you don’t think I don’t know any more than you do.
“Within the first 5-10 minutes of meeting a woman, I will find out if she is a feminist.”
Un hunh. This is my field of expertise. Unless you are far more sophisticated with english, and psychology than is demonstrated by your conversations here… you are wrong.*
You lack the level of empathy required to pull that kind of trick. You lack the level of listening quietly and letting other people talk to pull that off.
Even if you ask them directly, there isn’t any good reason to think they credit you with the good faith (given how many people who engage in challenges on matters political) to trust you enough to risk the potential mouth-foaming response answering that question in the affirmative often leads too.
Which is to say, your lack of self-awareness is showing: “Within the first 5-10 minutes of meeting a woman, I will find out if she is a feminist.”
As I said, confirmation bias. The women who are feminists, and just think you a gormless jerk aren’t telling you, so you decide you are damned near infallible at “smoking them out”.
@random6: Ah yes, the “men are subtly controlled by society to be attracted to skinny blonde women”
How then do you attribute the changes in what made women attractive? Gibson Girls were a lot fleshier than the “golden ratio” the ev-psych crowd tells is is the perfect form.
The Polynesians (to be overly simple) were all for women who had a lot of meat on their bones.
So was Rubens, Titian was a bit less fond of flesh, but the skinniest of his models wouldn’t be hired as a, “plus-sized” model for modern clothing, because they were, “too fat”.
The Greeks were fond of women who had a “unibrow”.
Etc., Etc. Etc. “Good looks” are culturally determined. That overlaying culture (in a culture like the US, with a dominating media forming tropes and norms for marketing) is what makes it so that deviations from the, largely unstated, standard need to be marked; so the people who are presumed to be fond of, “normal” don’t pitch a fit for getting something different to what they expected.
*Mind you, Brandon is so good at this screening that he thinks it would be a good idea (when/if he’s being active with anyone other than Ashley again) to secretly videotape them in case they cry rape.
Well, yeah. Language is an integral part of culture. Also, you are still an American male, and you’re still blathering all the same sorts of things so many other oh-so-individualistic people I’ve met blather. But I give up. You don’t actually understand what culture is on any but the most superficial level, and you don’t want to learn, either. Because if you did understand, you’d also learn that you are not that fucking special.
Thanks, kristenmh! You are pretty cool, too!
I would like to try to explain to brandyn how fashion is, indeed, kind of important and also kind of everywhere in our culture, but Meryl Streep does it so much better:
http://www.hulu.com/embed/XsFD4zL_nFTEl-gnDIxPbA
(for the record, I’m not all that interested in fashion either. But I’m also not interested in art; that doesn’t mean i don’t think it’s important)
How do we embed videos here?