The daffy, excitable Man Going His Own Way who calls himself MarkyMark may be my favorite manosphere blogger of all. Not only does he bring the lulz himself – who can forget the time he wrote a completely unironic point by point rebuttal of an Onion article? – but he also helps to bring attention to the equally stupefying work of others.
In his latest post, he directs our attention to some observations made by fellow MGTOWer Spock’s Disciple on the Happy Bachelors forum on the subject of pussy and its discontents. “This is good stuff, stuff my boys need to read,” Mark writes. “[Spock’s Disciple], like his hero, applied cold hearted logic when analzying pussy. The Force is STRONG with that one!”
Yes, he actually wrote that. I don’t think it’s a joke. I think he honestly does not know that there is a difference between Star Trek and Star Wars. How that is possible, I do not know.
Anyway, on to the eminently rational Spock’s Disciple, reflecting on the irrational power of the ladybits:
Remember that pussy is a biochemical WMD; wherever it is used, there is mass chaos and destruction. How many wars and conflicts have been fought at the urging and behest of women? More than any honest man would admit to and would be proud of.
Young men are apparently helpless in the face of the punany:
The need for pussy is a very real and built in addiction for men. We are hardwired by nature for sex and procreation. … [T]he sight and sound of pussy blinds younger men and allows them to be controlled by women though their hormones.
The, uh, SOUND of pussy? If I had to pick just two (or three, or four) sensory experiences relating to the vagina that would be generally considered appealing to heterosexual males, I’m not sure “sound” would make the cut.
But eventually even the horniest dudes start to get less horny – and thus less hypnotized by the power of the pussy. The only trouble is that by the time they lose interest in sex most of them are married, and they’re now stuck with the woman whose vagina formerly had them in thrall. It’s a grave injustice.
[W]hen most men pass the age of 30-35, they begin to awaken from this biochemical “dream” and what do they awaken beside? What do married men look forward to the next 30-50 years of their lives? Sleeping with a living corpse, which continues to torture and destroy them day by day? Looking forward to the time when the woman undergoes the process of metamorphosis, into a completely insane mummy (menopause and post menopause)?
This seems a tad alarmist. I mean, if your wife turns into a monster zombie-mummy – as all women apparently do after they hit their mid-thirties – you could always get separate bedrooms.
But Obi-Wan’s Spock’s Disciple has a more radical solution: don’t get into bed with the ladies in the first place!
Pussy is indeed way overrated and if younger men could get a shot of “anti-testosterone” for a few weeks, they could see through the eyes of men who are 40+; without the haze of hormones, you cannot believe how much farther you can see! It’s the difference between seeing the horizon through LA style smog and seeing the horizon from a high mountain in the Rockies.
Pussy is a man’s Achilles heel; once that man realizes this and takes the appropriate steps, he’ll never lose his peace of mind again. To these skeptical young men I say, there is an infinitely vast arena where you can have anything you desire, and can succeed at anything you wish to try for; all you have to do is see women for what they truly are, and become a master of the beast within; once you do that women’s true face will be visible to you, and you’ll never again partake of that foul potion.
It is possible to tame that beast, and indeed it is a certainty that you will learn much from the process of taming it; all it takes is patience and time. Look at your fellow men, your brothers in arms, and look at their almost invisible chains, and wonder at why you would desire such an existence for yourself?
And, hey, if all else fails, MarkyMark adds some advice of his own: pay a visit to Pamela Handerson before going out on the town with one of those vagina-people.
[T]here is one thing that the younger men can do until their sex drives die down permanently: masturbate before going out with a woman. … To put it another way, since the little head had been, shall we say, quieted down, the bigger head could work properly; the bigger head will then allow you to see a woman for who she REALLY is.
If you’re a fan of Spock, and looking for appropriate masturbatory material, might I suggest this?
Everyone is looking at the “Brandon screens women for feminism” the wrong way here. I can totally believe that feminists tell Brandon they’re feminist within 5 to 10 minutes, because he’s such a raging misogynist and they tell him so.
@hellkell: I am not explaining it to you again. If you don’t get it, you don’t get it.
And Myoo comes out with the “raging misogynist” jab. Nicely done!
Thanks Brandon, it’s nice to know you care.
Brandon, you are, per your modus operandi attempting to back-pedal and subtly change your statement because the holes in your logic have been exposed. Still, if there’s no standardized or even spectrum of standardized answers that feminists give to your questions then it’s entirely possible that a woman who considers herself a feminist may still agree with your positions on any given topic. A woman who isn’t a feminist may present ideas and arguments that run directly counter to your own.
You aren’t “smoking out” anything if you’re asking “Are you a feminist?”‘and receiving an honest answer. There’s no skill involved. For all of that, you don’t need to start asking a bunch of questions. You could just ask outright. You know for someone who goes on and on about his honesty, you sure do promote the use of a lot of subterfuge. I mean, you’re admittedly bad at it, but still.
So Brandon, no response to ithilania’s excellent sources on how beauty standards and the concept of the gay self (among other things) are social constructs?
@Nobinayamu:
1) Start talking to girl
2) be witty, playful and lighthearted
3) Try to find common ground
4) She seems cool, but lets see if she’s crazy, has any quirky behavior, is a money grubber or X unattractive trait.
5) Bring up a topic that can be segue into gender studies but nothing to serious.
6) Find out what side she takes cause that determines my next question.
7) Takes side feminists would most likely take = “So you are a feminist”
8) Has an opinion that most feminists don’t have = “so you aren’t a feminist”
9) Get answer.
As you can see step 1-3 is just basic crap. Step 4 is my LEADING the conversation to topics I WANT TO BE DISCUSSED. I am not talking about fashion or shoes. I am actively leading the conversation so we are talking about things I want to talk about.
step 5 is a stepping stone so asking “are you a feminist” seems like a reasonable question to ask at that stage of the conversation.
step 6 I already have answers for whatever answer she gives me and her response just tells me what direction I go in.
@Comrade: Not really. Boring topic
“As you can see step 1-3 is just basic crap. Step 4 is my LEADING the conversation to topics I WANT TO BE DISCUSSED. I am not talking about fashion or shoes. I am actively leading the conversation so we are talking about things I want to talk about. ”
As opposed to letting the conversation go where it may, and finding authentic opportunities to screen. That’s the difference I think. When I’m out on a date I don’t believe I”m this calculating. I’m not sure why any of us would be surprised at Brandon’s tactic. In a way, it’s comforting to see he’s consistent.
Brandon, what are the sides a feminist is most likely to take? Your scenario depends on you having a preconceived idea. And why not just ask whether she’s a feminist right up front? Again, you aren’t figuring anything out. You’re asking a question, directly. And awkwardly with weird timing.
Keep moving those goal posts. The original posts that Pecunium was responding to was, “I value self-reliance and individualism so capitalism reflects those values. I find socialists to be populists and are more susceptible to group think (i.e OWS).”
And yet you defend the theft from labor to pad the purse of capitalist. You claim that you’re less susceptable to group think, yet you parrot the economic fallacies that have been proved wrong and disasterous for the last 40 years.
You spout out brainless crap like “self-reliance and individualism” and have absoluetly no idea what they mean.
You’ve proved to have none of the attribute you claim to value and expect us to swoon over you like repetition of lies and ignorance is some sort of merit badge.
It’s not talking about Brandon.
QED
I cannot BELIEVE there is no love for this line right here.
This is the same Brandon who is proud that he has no empathy toward people who are not his family, and is on record as saying not only that their emotional well being doesn’t matter to him but that he wouldn’t go out of his way not to put videos of someone who is drunk to the point of incapacitation on YouTube. Brandon, I think what you mean here is that you can judge a person by how well they treat people who are you.
Brandon: sorry it took me so long to get back to you. I had work.
Okay, enculturation =/= brainwashing. There are certain standards that heterosexual women are brought up to prefer, too. Doesn’t mean we all like them to the same extent, and men are given much more leeway than women, but it’s still there. A lot of women go through a bad boy phase, because of the cultural narrative (as seen in every teen movie ever, as well as novels, fairy tales, etc) about the tortured guy who treats you well because you’re just so special and he’s so in love.
Enculturation is a good thing. Without it, we don’t turn out well. Feral children are mentally disabled, not because of anything physically wrong, but because they never got the care and the teaching that all humans need. You cannot reach your full potential as a human without culture. And we pick it up like a sponge, small children especially. Do you remember learning your mother tongue? Probably not, but you did. And while your parents probably did as most Western parents do and spent time teaching you how to speak (“Look! It’s a dog! Dooog!”), you would have learned it just by listening to them and practicing on your own. There are societies where no one talks to the children until they can talk back, but the kids still pick it up. Other aspects of culture are the same. You learn how to behave, who to interact with, who is an appropriate love interest, and numerous other things just by being a person surrounded by other people. Again, not brainwashing, but a natural part of being human.
And, yeah, you are just as susceptible as everyone else. I know you think you aren’t, but everyone thinks that they are the rugged individual who is surrounded by unthinking sheep. Nope, we’re all the sheep.
VoiP, there’s so much other shit to sift through with this one.
Sure Brandon, keep moving the posts and backpedaling. You’re so smart.
@Cynickal: And where did I ever say rich people should steal from the poor?
Also the current economic system in America isn’t even close to capitalism. The system we have in America is corporatism.
Proved wrong? Really? Cause socialist systems have also been proven to be unsustainable. Every single economic system has it’s pro’s and con’s.
And all that massive spending and government tinkering in business…it’s really making things better huh? Keynesian economics is nothing but bad policy that encourages businesses and government to collude with each other. Government starts making rules, businesses work to get “exceptions”, politicians succumb to pressure/kickbacks/etc…, business gets special breaks…cycle continues with every industry.
Brainless crap huh? What is so terrible about believing in individuals as opposed to groups and being reliant mostly on yourself. Is co-dependence and populism the “correct” position I should take?
Elizabeth Warren? Not a fan. Her whole spiel about the factory and the roads could easily be reversed. (Without the profits the factory made, you wouldn’t have a tax base to pay for all those roads and schools)
The idea that business needs government more is laughable.
I am not expecting you to do shit. Swoon, bitch, agree, disagree, whatever.
@random6x7: I realize everyone is susceptible to culture. I just try and limit my exposure to the stupidest aspects of it. Crap like fashion, celebrity gossip, reality TV, and so on. That crap will rot your brain.
Have you ever thought it was, you know the other way around? That lots of young women are innately drawn to “bad boys” and culture and the media is just acting as an amplifier to that phenomenon.
No, because that’s not how it is in other cultures. Acting as if our behaviors are innate is really ethnocentric. If you want to say something’s innate, you damn well better show it’s universal, or have one hell of a good explanation why it isn’t.
Exposure or not to “the stupidest crap” (which, by the way, is a snobbish way to look at things. Fashion, for instance, has been a human art form probably since we were human), you still get some of it. I am assuming that at some point in your life you have watched movies, read books, talked to other people.
Man, the fail just keeps piling up… history lesson for brandon… factories are new, schools and roads are not.
Because yo’ure not? There is no way you could live the life you do without the society you’re in.
Hey! That’s another thing you’ve picked up from your culture without even realizing it, Brandon! Extreme individualism is a feature of Western, particularly USian, culture. You didn’t get that on your own, you absorbed the values of the people around you.
I don’t get why people are so into the biological explanations. They’re demonstrably false most of the time. All you have to do is look outside your own culture to see that most things that people always do are just what people in our society do.
@random6x7: how “what” is in other cultures?
So you are saying that humans don’t have instincts?
Parts of our culture are stupid and completely valueless. Daytime shows like Maury are a good example.
I try to only be apart of specific areas of American culture that 1) provide an opportunity to better myself 2) is stimulating. So basically not pop culture.
I might come off snobbish, but when it comes to what I am consuming, I am very discriminating. Lots of American culture is crap and one would have more time to do something besides watching, reading or listening to brain rot.
Besides the fact that you need clothing and the colors should match, fashion is pretty pointless. I think if I went to a fashion show, I would lose IQ points. “Oh it’s aesthetically pleasing…yay!” Not very stimulating.
@Rutee: Factories are new…but the idea of commerce isn’t. Government doesn’t get to make those roads and schools without taxing people. No commerce, no taxes, no roads/schools.
Yes, we all need society to a certain extent. However, there is a difference between depending on that society and living in it.
@Random6x7: Actually when I was younger I was a socialist.
So’s putting a bunch of minerals and oil onto a canvas. What’s the point in that? Or listening to someone blow into a convoluted tube, or watching a bunch of people in tights dance around on their toes. Most art is pointless if you look at it like that. However, it’s also a universal drive for people.
Of course people have instincts. That’s not what I’m saying. But who you are attracted to is not an instinct. So are most things that ev psych types argue (again, don’t know how much you agree with or even know about that field, but the stuff you are saying is straight from them). But the things we learn from our culture are so deeply entrenched in our subconscious that they look like instincts. Again, though, not innate.
It’s a multi-billion dollar industry, dude. You may consider it frivolous; there’s nothing particularly original about that position. But it’s hardly pointless. I mean, if it’s pointless why should the colors of clothes “match”. That has nothing to do with being dressed.
And I mean citing Maury is going after the really low-hanging fruit. I’d bet dollars to doughnuts, youre interested in things that other people would label pointless.
I don’t think it’s possible to have your patterns of attraction be completely uninfluenced by society, unless you grew up feral. And a lot of the things some of us are attracted to make very little sense from a biological POV. Why am I attracted to skinny men? I can’t see any particular evolutionary advantage that a preference for men with almost no body fat would have yielded, or why my ape ancestors would have bequeathed to me a hatred of chest hair on men.
Very little of this stuff is biological. We’re all influenced by the societies we grew up in, and that intersects with our innate preferences in weird and interesting ways.
I read somewhere that the reason why Americans have such crappy culture (as in silliness) is because we spend most of our day being very sensible (working, thinking, planning, doing things that require serious mental effort) and once we get home, the last thing a person really wants to do is watch something that is intellectually challenging.
As for the idea that fashion is not intellectually stimulating-you have to have more then just “oh it looks good” because fashion designers put a lot of effort into their designs and it is more then just “oh this looks good.”
Who is the target audience for the designs? What kind of material works best, how many fasteners, which will sell best? What kind of marketing campaign should go with this?
For men, it can be easy: basic suit works in almost every situation and for the rest, a tee and jeans. For women, on the other hand, it is not so easy as we have never decided as a culture here in the west what the basic outfit for a woman will be (especially after it became socially acceptable to wear pants regularly) and what works best for her to dress for business, teaching, working in the yard, whatever.
Since all things have to impact Brandon, when you and Ashley go out on one of your strictly equal in all ways date, do you notice the effort she makes in looking nice? Beyond just cursory “pretty” look she has? The way the clothes work together, the way that the accessories match up, the type of shoes she wears? Because I am fairly sure that not all of your dates involved a uniformed look of jeans and a tee shirt and when you two dress up, you expect her to look good and that means that the billions worth fashion industry that you dismiss needs to exist so YOU can be satisfied.