The daffy, excitable Man Going His Own Way who calls himself MarkyMark may be my favorite manosphere blogger of all. Not only does he bring the lulz himself – who can forget the time he wrote a completely unironic point by point rebuttal of an Onion article? – but he also helps to bring attention to the equally stupefying work of others.
In his latest post, he directs our attention to some observations made by fellow MGTOWer Spock’s Disciple on the Happy Bachelors forum on the subject of pussy and its discontents. “This is good stuff, stuff my boys need to read,” Mark writes. “[Spock’s Disciple], like his hero, applied cold hearted logic when analzying pussy. The Force is STRONG with that one!”
Yes, he actually wrote that. I don’t think it’s a joke. I think he honestly does not know that there is a difference between Star Trek and Star Wars. How that is possible, I do not know.
Anyway, on to the eminently rational Spock’s Disciple, reflecting on the irrational power of the ladybits:
Remember that pussy is a biochemical WMD; wherever it is used, there is mass chaos and destruction. How many wars and conflicts have been fought at the urging and behest of women? More than any honest man would admit to and would be proud of.
Young men are apparently helpless in the face of the punany:
The need for pussy is a very real and built in addiction for men. We are hardwired by nature for sex and procreation. … [T]he sight and sound of pussy blinds younger men and allows them to be controlled by women though their hormones.
The, uh, SOUND of pussy? If I had to pick just two (or three, or four) sensory experiences relating to the vagina that would be generally considered appealing to heterosexual males, I’m not sure “sound” would make the cut.
But eventually even the horniest dudes start to get less horny – and thus less hypnotized by the power of the pussy. The only trouble is that by the time they lose interest in sex most of them are married, and they’re now stuck with the woman whose vagina formerly had them in thrall. It’s a grave injustice.
[W]hen most men pass the age of 30-35, they begin to awaken from this biochemical “dream” and what do they awaken beside? What do married men look forward to the next 30-50 years of their lives? Sleeping with a living corpse, which continues to torture and destroy them day by day? Looking forward to the time when the woman undergoes the process of metamorphosis, into a completely insane mummy (menopause and post menopause)?
This seems a tad alarmist. I mean, if your wife turns into a monster zombie-mummy – as all women apparently do after they hit their mid-thirties – you could always get separate bedrooms.
But Obi-Wan’s Spock’s Disciple has a more radical solution: don’t get into bed with the ladies in the first place!
Pussy is indeed way overrated and if younger men could get a shot of “anti-testosterone” for a few weeks, they could see through the eyes of men who are 40+; without the haze of hormones, you cannot believe how much farther you can see! It’s the difference between seeing the horizon through LA style smog and seeing the horizon from a high mountain in the Rockies.
Pussy is a man’s Achilles heel; once that man realizes this and takes the appropriate steps, he’ll never lose his peace of mind again. To these skeptical young men I say, there is an infinitely vast arena where you can have anything you desire, and can succeed at anything you wish to try for; all you have to do is see women for what they truly are, and become a master of the beast within; once you do that women’s true face will be visible to you, and you’ll never again partake of that foul potion.
It is possible to tame that beast, and indeed it is a certainty that you will learn much from the process of taming it; all it takes is patience and time. Look at your fellow men, your brothers in arms, and look at their almost invisible chains, and wonder at why you would desire such an existence for yourself?
And, hey, if all else fails, MarkyMark adds some advice of his own: pay a visit to Pamela Handerson before going out on the town with one of those vagina-people.
[T]here is one thing that the younger men can do until their sex drives die down permanently: masturbate before going out with a woman. … To put it another way, since the little head had been, shall we say, quieted down, the bigger head could work properly; the bigger head will then allow you to see a woman for who she REALLY is.
If you’re a fan of Spock, and looking for appropriate masturbatory material, might I suggest this?
Wait a moment…Slavey’s argument is that the MRAs have sent an official raiding party to destroy this blog, and it consists of himself, Brandon, Simon, and MRAL? So this is the best that the MRA movement can offer as far as a debating team? These guys?
Looks pretty sure that MRAs are doomed to continue to be mocked with impunity if this is the best rhetorical defence they can mount against the mockery.
Cassandra, I can picture the MRAs defending themselves in a wussy slap fight kind of way.
Brandon, we do ask men out. What aren’t you hearing here? I hate being passive in life. There is a power in being the one to ask (as well as being asked). I do both. Switching is the way to go, dude. I don’t know many women at all from my age range (40’s) to the 20’s who don’t ask men out. Maybe the girls you appreciate the most are the ones who make you work for it (ask them out, act dominant) and you flat turn down someone like me-assertive, confident etc. Of course given that I”m 40 and used up to your mind (though still quite fit, feminine etc) you’d turn me down out of principle. Eh, we do ask men out.
@Joanna
@Pecunium: I was going by a very quick read of Wikipedia, and drastically oversimplifying. In any case, it’s under 18.
Brandon:
But you’ll notice that those are almost all specially marketed. Not brunettes so much, but you’re unlikely to see women who are (somewhat arbitrarily labeled as) “old” or “fat” if it doesn’t indicate that on the box. In the west I understand even non-Caucasian women are a specialized taste, in that most if not all women in porn not labeled by race will be white, or at least pass as white.
(Speaking of which, no one says “ebony” in real life. Do you only know about black women from porn?)
“But you’ll notice that those are almost all specially marketed. Not brunettes so much, but you’re unlikely to see women who are (somewhat arbitrarily labeled as) “old” or “fat” if it doesn’t indicate that on the box. In the west I understand even non-Caucasian women are a specialized taste, in that most if not all women in porn not labeled by race will be white, or at least pass as white.”
yeah i considered writing something like this but figured the difference was way too much for them to understand. Also why just the fact that someone likes an untraditionally pretty woman in porn isn’t going to give most women tons of confidence because they don’t want people to like them just the way they like porn stars. Even if not consciously i think many women know the difference between someone wanting them as a sex object or a human being.
also beyond the mra’s range of understlanding, all the berating and analyzing of women’s bodies any woman can think that there’s is horrible. i’m a healthy woman with large breasts and a smaller waist, i’m sure a lot of guys would be baffled by my body insecurities and a lot have been when they were more prevalent in the past (“why do you count calories? it’s so weird”) but until i was 24 i honestly thought i was “okay” but always needed to lose weight too because for the guy that likes one thing, one would loudly be declaring a girl like me chubby or something or the media calling me curvy/voluptuous which are both true and not insults except that the next minute the media would be calling someone very overweight the same words so then thats how i saw myself or some tabloid would be circling an actresses “love handles” or some shit, which I also have. Skinny girls still think they’re not good enough a lot of the time too, same reasons just different words. So yeah the fact that there’s porn of overweight women and women of different races or something really doesn’t make women super confident in the real world.
Yeah, I don’t think pointing out the various ways porn tends to segregate and fetishize people is making a strong case for the “diversity” of the porn industry.
Are you suggesting that all the interracial gang-bangs in porn do not in fact mean that racism is over? 😀
Sounds a little far-fetched, I know, but I think it may be possible that’s the case. 😉
@Quakers: It’s not so much a “standard of beauty” as it is men prioritizing. If I took a picture of megan fox and asked 100 men if she is attractive, I am positive that most men would say yes, while some would be neutral and a small minority will find her unattractive.
Every “category” has it’s own numbers. I am sure there is a portion of men that love large women (in fact, I have a few friends that love them). The numbers just not be the same as megan fox. You might get a larger “neutral” response and a smaller “yes” response. But there are men that specifically like “non-mainstream” women.
There are men that like big women, Asian girls, skinny girls, black girls, geeky girls, high maintenance girls, etc…
@JulieJezebel: I can count on two hands how many times I have been approached by a woman. (although as I get older, older women seem to be approaching me more often) Also, when women approach, men take notice…since it is so rare. The bottom line is that men do most of the approaching and women approaching men is in the minority.
I don’t know what you look like, but I have dated and slept with a women in their 40’s. (i’m 30).
@Hershele: Ya…it’s called niche marketing. There is a smaller audience for “old” or “fat” women in porn. Hence, they get their own videos and DVDs. But that doesn’t negate the fact that there is a subset of men that strictly go after older or fatter women.
Yes, no one says “ebony” but it is a “porn category” on lots of web sites.
@Brandon: Not that you give a flying fuck, but the more you cite porn to back up any claim about anything that isn’t in fact porn, the less you’re likely to convince anyone who doesn’t share your assumption that porn somehow REFLECTS “reality.”
Don’t know Brandon. It would be interesting to do an actual study to see if risk taking and assertiveness (in dating) really fell down gender lines.
I can count on probably two hands the times I’ve been out and hit on (flat out hit on, picked up kind of thing). I”m usually the one doing the first move. On Ok Cupid too. Now, it could be that I’m unattractive (though I”m told I’m fit, firm, cute and feminine.). But it could be that I”m impatient and strong willed and I’ve also been told I’m intimidating. So I go first.
Maybe you move too fast, and you look like the kind of dude that girls think…oh he’s already got a date. Or maybe you are in circles where the “men ask/women wait” culture is pretty heavy. I”m not. I’d say my circles run queer, geeky, academic, poly. Those circles of mine are really egalitarian for the most part. YMMV, you can believe what you want, but I’d like to see actual data on it. My experience is the opposite of yours. I could easily make erroneous decisions based on it.
Hasn’t Brandon brought up this asking 100 men about a picture bullshit before, or are our trolls just THAT unoriginal?
@ithiliana: Straight heterosexual porn reflects male fantasy mostly. If men weren’t buying DVD’s of obese women having sex, then the porn industry wouldn’t make them. The fact that they do sell makes the point that men aren’t solely interested in “skinny, blonde, tanned” girl. Men’s interests in women are all over the spectrum. From typical models to overweight women to redheads, to whatever.
@Julie: Men and women are attracted to different things. Assertiveness and confidence are two traits that are attractive to women. I don’t think you need a study to notice something this widespread. Passive men and men full of self-doubt rarely (if ever) get sex, dates, girlfriends…
Haven’t you ever noticed that some women that earned a degree and have a promising career are still annoyed when men are walking past them and to the cute 25 year old ditsy girl? A woman’s occupation and education just isn’t important to a lot of men as it is to women. It is basically women projecting their own turn on’s unto men and getting disappointed when the man doesn’t have the same “attractive switches” she does. Women tend to care about what the guy does for work and where he went to school…men tend to not care about those details.
Well I guess I”m a total outlier then Brandon. I’ve always dated smart, funny, sweet men, submissive men, some of them. Some, just introverted and quiet. I’ve rarely dated “alpha men” because they turn me right off. I find them painful to be around. Most of my lovers were never gonna be CEO’s or whatever. Artists. Writers. Education is important to me, but not titles or whatever and I’ve dated plenty of self taught fellows. If I”m the one being assertive, then what do you think that says? I’m ugly? Or I just like something different than you say everyone likes.
Why am I asking this, of course you’ll say I’m ugly.
Maybe there is a bell curve there, Brandon. That just means I’m not average and I can live with that.
@Julie: I can’t really say if you are ugly or attractive.
I tend to notice that lots of feminists fall into the “outlier” category. “Feminist dating” just isn’t mainstream nor do I think it will ever be. It is not my place to say who you should or shouldn’t date. However, when you look at the larger trend, most women do not follow your dating method.
Also the definition of “alpha men” is all over the place. Some just think CEO’s and politicians can be “alpha”, but I tend to disagree. To me, alpha men are men that can have more sex with more women than the average guy and doesn’t kiss her ass in the process. There are all forms of power and status and a career is just one form of it. So that artist might be much more “alpha” than the CEO.
Ya, there is a bell curve to attractiveness. With women like Blake Lively and Zoe Saldana are at the top.But just because more men are attracted to them than other women doesn’t automatically make one unattractive.
Dunno about alpha. Alphas seem to be players and seem to not really care much about the women they sleep with (thus not “kissing their asses”). I like the men I sleep with to be nice to me before during and afterward. I like being nice to them. If that makes us both Betas, I’m happy as a clam with that.
If the concept of an alpha male is going to exist at all (and I see no good reason for it to), there’s something truly pathetic about defining it purely on the basis of how many women the man in question can persuade to fuck him.
@Cassandra: The concept of “alpha” exists even outside of humans.
All you have to do is look towards other primates. Alpha’s tend to be the strongest, most dominate member of the group and tends to have access to any of the females in that group.
Cassandra, that’s apparently the only currency that matters.
The word you’re looking for is “dominant”, Brandon, not “dominate”. Also, we are not gorillas.
I think if the concept of the alpha male was to be applied to our society it would apply to CEOs, political leaders, etc, ie the people who run the show. The leaders of various primate groups aren’t considered the alpha because they get to fuck lots of gorilla ladies (or whatever), they get to fuck lots of gorilla ladies because they are the leaders. You have cause and effect mixed up.
Also, we aren’t gorillas. They have a singular male, plural female model, which we, as primates, don’t. We are closer to chimps or Bonobos, which has more family structured with multiple males and females. While yes, the females mate with dominant males, they also mate with a lot of betas. Bonobos mate with everyone.
@Cassandra: Yes, but if you believe in the idea of evolution (instead of creationism) then those traits can be passed on to us. (group dynamics, dominant vs submissiveness, etc…) While humans have the ability to reason, have self-control and the ability to think for the future, we are still susceptible to our own biology.
No one is debating that the CEO’s and politicians aren’t alpha’s within the workplace. But from a dating perspective, they could be beta’s. What status that is accrued in the workplace doesn’t always filter down into someones social and dating life.
Lastly, the fact that the alpha male gorilla is the strongest and can easily prevent another gorilla from usurping his control and power is what draws the females in.
Sounds like what draws the female in is the lack of other gorillas. And maybe not wanting to get whaled on. Mmmm. Good sexytimes.
Also, we are much closer, as pointed out earlier, to bonobos than gorillas. And bonobos use sexual congress for other reasons besides reproduction-bonding, group and individual soothing, pleasure. So the gorilla model doesn’t really work here.