The daffy, excitable Man Going His Own Way who calls himself MarkyMark may be my favorite manosphere blogger of all. Not only does he bring the lulz himself – who can forget the time he wrote a completely unironic point by point rebuttal of an Onion article? – but he also helps to bring attention to the equally stupefying work of others.
In his latest post, he directs our attention to some observations made by fellow MGTOWer Spock’s Disciple on the Happy Bachelors forum on the subject of pussy and its discontents. “This is good stuff, stuff my boys need to read,” Mark writes. “[Spock’s Disciple], like his hero, applied cold hearted logic when analzying pussy. The Force is STRONG with that one!”
Yes, he actually wrote that. I don’t think it’s a joke. I think he honestly does not know that there is a difference between Star Trek and Star Wars. How that is possible, I do not know.
Anyway, on to the eminently rational Spock’s Disciple, reflecting on the irrational power of the ladybits:
Remember that pussy is a biochemical WMD; wherever it is used, there is mass chaos and destruction. How many wars and conflicts have been fought at the urging and behest of women? More than any honest man would admit to and would be proud of.
Young men are apparently helpless in the face of the punany:
The need for pussy is a very real and built in addiction for men. We are hardwired by nature for sex and procreation. … [T]he sight and sound of pussy blinds younger men and allows them to be controlled by women though their hormones.
The, uh, SOUND of pussy? If I had to pick just two (or three, or four) sensory experiences relating to the vagina that would be generally considered appealing to heterosexual males, I’m not sure “sound” would make the cut.
But eventually even the horniest dudes start to get less horny – and thus less hypnotized by the power of the pussy. The only trouble is that by the time they lose interest in sex most of them are married, and they’re now stuck with the woman whose vagina formerly had them in thrall. It’s a grave injustice.
[W]hen most men pass the age of 30-35, they begin to awaken from this biochemical “dream” and what do they awaken beside? What do married men look forward to the next 30-50 years of their lives? Sleeping with a living corpse, which continues to torture and destroy them day by day? Looking forward to the time when the woman undergoes the process of metamorphosis, into a completely insane mummy (menopause and post menopause)?
This seems a tad alarmist. I mean, if your wife turns into a monster zombie-mummy – as all women apparently do after they hit their mid-thirties – you could always get separate bedrooms.
But Obi-Wan’s Spock’s Disciple has a more radical solution: don’t get into bed with the ladies in the first place!
Pussy is indeed way overrated and if younger men could get a shot of “anti-testosterone” for a few weeks, they could see through the eyes of men who are 40+; without the haze of hormones, you cannot believe how much farther you can see! It’s the difference between seeing the horizon through LA style smog and seeing the horizon from a high mountain in the Rockies.
Pussy is a man’s Achilles heel; once that man realizes this and takes the appropriate steps, he’ll never lose his peace of mind again. To these skeptical young men I say, there is an infinitely vast arena where you can have anything you desire, and can succeed at anything you wish to try for; all you have to do is see women for what they truly are, and become a master of the beast within; once you do that women’s true face will be visible to you, and you’ll never again partake of that foul potion.
It is possible to tame that beast, and indeed it is a certainty that you will learn much from the process of taming it; all it takes is patience and time. Look at your fellow men, your brothers in arms, and look at their almost invisible chains, and wonder at why you would desire such an existence for yourself?
And, hey, if all else fails, MarkyMark adds some advice of his own: pay a visit to Pamela Handerson before going out on the town with one of those vagina-people.
[T]here is one thing that the younger men can do until their sex drives die down permanently: masturbate before going out with a woman. … To put it another way, since the little head had been, shall we say, quieted down, the bigger head could work properly; the bigger head will then allow you to see a woman for who she REALLY is.
If you’re a fan of Spock, and looking for appropriate masturbatory material, might I suggest this?
“You yelp a restaurant, screen the menu, go and order your italian pasta…and it doesn’t taste good at all on first bite.”
LMAO. The eater chose the food type, chose the restaurant, and also chose the menu item so what are the chances that the meal is not tasty? Very low.
But, hey if you’re picky anything is possible. Not Hatin.’ Just sayin’!
There is always a good chance, dude. Chef could be sick, they could have rodents. Or he could think…wow this meal SOUNDS good, but apparently I hate blue cheese! Point is, you aren’t picky about where you put your dick sounds like. Even if the gal isn’t cute, nice, whatever, it’s all about the ole in-out. Ok, good to know that.
Also apparently women never ask men on dates, ever.
“Even if the gal isn’t cute, nice, whatever, it’s all about the ole in-out. Ok, good to know that”
Nah , I actually know how to pick a date. Ok Cupid isn’t even as good as a blind set up. Don’t you think a common friend would be a much better match maker?
“Also apparently women never ask men on dates, ever.”
Sure women do, but not nearly as much as men. The never ever game is so immature! So can you share your percentages of asked vs asking cuz that would actually add to the discussion.
Um, no, see, making up numbers doesn’t prove anything. Because they’re made up.
DYE, I asked my husband out for the first time. I asked other guys out back when I was dating, too. I figured that if a man felt threatened by a woman confident enough to make the first move, then he’s not my type anyway. This is just anecdotal but it’s an example.
Bionic,
How many times were you asked out versus being asked out? What about your friends… both male and female? Was it roughly equal or not?
no one asks anyone out anymore dating is fucked up someone asks someone to like “hang out” after talking on facebook or something. i’ve asked men i can’t speak for everyone the landscape of dating right now is not great for either side. probably never was. also it is NOT oppression to have to ask people out on dates!!!!!!! what a ridiculous argument. I agree that it’s stupid for women or men to adhere to one must ask the other out, but to get what you want out of life you do have to take initiative most of the time whether male or female and that applies to dating too.
*probably always was, not never.
I was asked out more than I asked men out. My male friends did more of the asking, and my female friends were asked out more. This was back in the day before facebook and texting. I’ve been married almost a decade, so I realize things are different now.
I wouldn’t blame feminism for men being expected to make the first move. That norm comes from the stigma against women being “too forward”. There are still a lot of people that slut shame women that ask men out. That’s why some women play hard to get even when they want to date a man. Most feminists want to change those norms.
Bionic,
Thanks for sharing.
There’s less dating before sex now…especially in college, but initiation overall is still heavily the responsibility of us guys. I’m not shy, but I was flat broke so the status quo worked for me.
As far as feminism is concerned, it may not have started the convention, but if it has enough bandwidth to write columns on brides changing last names ( a convention it didn’t start either) , it has enough bandwidth to challenge women to do their fare share of approaching the opposite sex.
it has enough bandwidth to challenge women to do their fare share of approaching the opposite sex.
you seem to have feminism confused with a dating advice column….
if basic ideas of feminism get through to someone, they’ll also understand it’s okay to approach men for dates if they want to date them, it doesn’t have to be expressed verbatim though.
I’m dying to know: what is our “fair share”?
Speaking personally, I’ve never had a problem asking men out (although, in fairness more men have asked me out then I’ve asked them out) and I think feminism does emphasize that asking men out is a good thing to do and shouldn’t be viewed as being “too forward” or inappropriate.
Other than that, what should feminism be doing about it?
Also, why does DYE want women to do any of the asking? Doesn’t that just make it less likely that the pasta will taste good?
I’m dying to know: what is our “fair share”?
right lol? what a strange thing to say.
This comment from a new commenter I just approved got buried on the last page, so here it is again. Enjoy.
“you seem to have feminism confused with a dating advice column….”
Oh really? Maybe its feminism that’s confused then cuz well I’ve seen “it” write plenty of columns on all sorts of things. I guess feminism needs to stick to feminism and stop writing off topic. Oh well, movie reviews will never be the same.
“I’m dying to know: what is our “fair share”?”
Oh puhhhlease! Is “fair share” really that hard to figure out? Is it really that strange?
How about you two pretend we’re talking about vacuuming or changing diapers. Maybe that will jog something loose.
Yeah, DYE, I’m super familiar with the concept of “fair share” as it applies to house work or a team project or anything that has to be done.
What I don’t understand is the concept of “fair share” as it applies to dating and asking people out because those things don’t have to be done. A woman who wants to date, isn’t dating, and finds that men are not asking her out on dates will have to either suck it up or ask men out if she wants to go out on dates. A man’s options are the same: suck it up and don’t date, or ask women out on dates.
“Fair share” has nothing to do with it? What’s my “fair share” of making sure that someone else gets asked on dates?
I wonder if any of the MGTOWs actually believe there are “hundreds of millions” of men who have simply ghosted out of the world of women in silent solidarity with the You Can’t Fire Me I Quit Movement.
It seems beyond belief that anyone would actually think this is happening–do you know any people?–and yet I don’t think they’d make this threat if they realized how silly it sounds.
You know, I rarely say this but: citation. Please. Because just yesterday we were told that sex with nearly any woman was better than masturbation. Hell, NWO claims that masturbation isn’t a type of sex at all.
Aren’t women usually the ones accused of hyperbole and melodrama? Look, if it’s the “end” of you fine. Don’t approach women, ignore any women who might approach you, and enjoy masturbating to porn. Masturbating to porn and being in a romantic relationship are hardly mutually exclusive but, seriously, enjoy. Via con Dios.
But many of the rest of us are out here in the world, seeking and finding and failing and succeeding at all manner of romantic relationships. Despite the difficulty, in search of the joy. You are not “all” men nor do you represent some silent majority of “hundreds of millions” of men. You’re just a guy too busy conflating women who use sex to manipulate men (which there are and vice versa) with the idea that rejection is difficult on the rejected.
If it makes you feel better to believe that most men are like you, have at it.
If these guys are GTOW, I wish they’d just get on with it instead of leaving whiny screeds. Do they think we’ll say “oh, noes, come back! blowjobs for everyone if you do!”
Seriously, go already.
DYE, I understand that it sucks to ask someone out and get rejected. That’s a pretty common fear, and women are not immune to it at all. It’s also something that LGBT people experience. Anyway, I think the best way to change the culture so women ask men out more is if people stop slut shaming. Sometimes women are afraid to ask men out because they are afraid men will look down upon them for it. Feminists are already challenging slut shaming so they’re already dealing with this issue.
Some men say they like the thrill of pursuit and prefer it when women play hard to get. Not all straight men want women to make the first move. As long as straight women hear those messages, they will be less likely to do the asking. If feminism helps women become confident and defy those social mores, that’s great.