The daffy, excitable Man Going His Own Way who calls himself MarkyMark may be my favorite manosphere blogger of all. Not only does he bring the lulz himself – who can forget the time he wrote a completely unironic point by point rebuttal of an Onion article? – but he also helps to bring attention to the equally stupefying work of others.
In his latest post, he directs our attention to some observations made by fellow MGTOWer Spock’s Disciple on the Happy Bachelors forum on the subject of pussy and its discontents. “This is good stuff, stuff my boys need to read,” Mark writes. “[Spock’s Disciple], like his hero, applied cold hearted logic when analzying pussy. The Force is STRONG with that one!”
Yes, he actually wrote that. I don’t think it’s a joke. I think he honestly does not know that there is a difference between Star Trek and Star Wars. How that is possible, I do not know.
Anyway, on to the eminently rational Spock’s Disciple, reflecting on the irrational power of the ladybits:
Remember that pussy is a biochemical WMD; wherever it is used, there is mass chaos and destruction. How many wars and conflicts have been fought at the urging and behest of women? More than any honest man would admit to and would be proud of.
Young men are apparently helpless in the face of the punany:
The need for pussy is a very real and built in addiction for men. We are hardwired by nature for sex and procreation. … [T]he sight and sound of pussy blinds younger men and allows them to be controlled by women though their hormones.
The, uh, SOUND of pussy? If I had to pick just two (or three, or four) sensory experiences relating to the vagina that would be generally considered appealing to heterosexual males, I’m not sure “sound” would make the cut.
But eventually even the horniest dudes start to get less horny – and thus less hypnotized by the power of the pussy. The only trouble is that by the time they lose interest in sex most of them are married, and they’re now stuck with the woman whose vagina formerly had them in thrall. It’s a grave injustice.
[W]hen most men pass the age of 30-35, they begin to awaken from this biochemical “dream” and what do they awaken beside? What do married men look forward to the next 30-50 years of their lives? Sleeping with a living corpse, which continues to torture and destroy them day by day? Looking forward to the time when the woman undergoes the process of metamorphosis, into a completely insane mummy (menopause and post menopause)?
This seems a tad alarmist. I mean, if your wife turns into a monster zombie-mummy – as all women apparently do after they hit their mid-thirties – you could always get separate bedrooms.
But Obi-Wan’s Spock’s Disciple has a more radical solution: don’t get into bed with the ladies in the first place!
Pussy is indeed way overrated and if younger men could get a shot of “anti-testosterone” for a few weeks, they could see through the eyes of men who are 40+; without the haze of hormones, you cannot believe how much farther you can see! It’s the difference between seeing the horizon through LA style smog and seeing the horizon from a high mountain in the Rockies.
Pussy is a man’s Achilles heel; once that man realizes this and takes the appropriate steps, he’ll never lose his peace of mind again. To these skeptical young men I say, there is an infinitely vast arena where you can have anything you desire, and can succeed at anything you wish to try for; all you have to do is see women for what they truly are, and become a master of the beast within; once you do that women’s true face will be visible to you, and you’ll never again partake of that foul potion.
It is possible to tame that beast, and indeed it is a certainty that you will learn much from the process of taming it; all it takes is patience and time. Look at your fellow men, your brothers in arms, and look at their almost invisible chains, and wonder at why you would desire such an existence for yourself?
And, hey, if all else fails, MarkyMark adds some advice of his own: pay a visit to Pamela Handerson before going out on the town with one of those vagina-people.
[T]here is one thing that the younger men can do until their sex drives die down permanently: masturbate before going out with a woman. … To put it another way, since the little head had been, shall we say, quieted down, the bigger head could work properly; the bigger head will then allow you to see a woman for who she REALLY is.
If you’re a fan of Spock, and looking for appropriate masturbatory material, might I suggest this?
Why can’t NWOslavey just leave those poor trout fishers alone?
I love how Slavey thinks that he can just blatantly make stuff up and everyone will believe him.
Trout fetuses for all!
@Dracula: I find them both to be a mix of pathetic and irritating as hell — the main difference is that MRAL’s hatred of women is his main feature; Simon’s hatred of MEN is rapidly becoming his main feature (at least in my reading of their ongoing posts). MRAL directs a huge amount of his anger outward; Simon, inward.
@Raincitygirl: The forums were set up to allow more discussion with more moderation! I don’t spend a lot of time there, but if you haven’t checked them out, you might do so.
@Kirbywarp: Total agreement w/you.
PLUS, don’t these guys notice the disconnect between “we are the hunters of mammoths and the builders of civilization and the SUPER POWERFUL AND INTELLECTUAL IAND INVENTIVE gender, we built civilization” rhetoric and the “omg one hint of pussy brings us to our knees it is all your evil wimminz fault.”
Total disconnect, dudes.
I don’t know if this helps, Kirby, but one reason I enjoy reading over here is that the extreme rhetoric helps me deal with the institutional sexism and relatively minor attitudes on the part of men at my university — and makes me feel that despite all the very real problems not only relating to gender but race, class, sexuality, that somehow the balance has shifted. So I actually end up a bit more optimistic.
@Simon: Why are you a creep?
ONE reason: because you sat there and typed “Imagine if my sister would be raped.”
That’s creepy. You’re using your sister AGAIN in your nasty little wormy way (big man, you’d kill him, or presumably her?) to make some rhetorical point.
And I don’t care what you believe or intent, what you SAY is tied to a whole rape apologist culture in which U.S. judges have dismissed rape charges because a six year old girl was being “seductive.”
Plus everything else you’ve said that vastly overgeneralizes about the category of MEN based on your perceptions. And no, citing one controversial expert is not sufficient support for what you say.
Plus, you say you’ll leave, but you don’t: protip, you cannot get the last word and then leave, not on this forum. You’ll just have to leave — but reassure yourself, no matter how much you keep talking, you’re not going to change people’s perceptions of you. In fact, you seem to be making them worse.
“Can’t ya just picture the smug look on the little girls faces as their told they’re always victims and always pure and good no matter what?”
You really do live in your own world. I mean, have you ever studied the psychology of young girls? At 6 or 7 all they care about is playing. Seriously, they don’t have the mental maturity to feel smug about gender politics.
Alyssa Sweet:
Yea exactly. It just translates to me as “boo hoo I’m not allowed to fuck teenagers, damn feminists oppressing me” I mean, I get the whole attraction to youth, but these men that explicitly chase after teens is creepy. They do it because they know they have someone more impressionable to manipulate. It goes beyond appearance. Many women still look youthful past 18. I even still get carded sometimes and I’m way past 18.
18 is the age of consent in North America anyway. 21 is pushing it and I highly doubt the age of consent is going to be moved to that. If the UN is pushing for it (I can’t find anything on Google) then its probably to prevent child marriages in other countries. But of course anything getting in the way of MRAs getting their dicks wet is oppression and misandry.
“No, I don’t. Most people want to have sex and, if they’re dating other people, it means that they are interested in those people.”
@Voip
True, but not true enough! You severely miss the point about sex, dating and gender difference.
If all the first time daters this coming Friday were giving the option of just sex OR just a date 90% of men would pick A and <50% of women would. Do you finally get it?
Sometimes I think a lot of these guys, and Simon too, are just misguided BDSMers of a certain kind. “pretending sex is magic, and dark, and mysterious and more powerful than man can control”… women who have their beast-like men in invisible chains… sounds like it could be fun. The key word there, of course, is “pretending”. As in, not confusing it with reality.
PLUS, don’t these guys notice the disconnect between “we are the hunters of mammoths and the builders of civilization and the SUPER POWERFUL AND INTELLECTUAL IAND INVENTIVE gender, we built civilization” rhetoric and the “omg one hint of pussy brings us to our knees it is all your evil wimminz fault.”
Total disconnect, dudes.
@ithiliana
Ummm, while the sentiment is way over the top there is no disconnect. It wasn’t a cheese steak that almost got Clinton impeached. You’ve heard of an achilles heel right? Even superman has kryptonite. Just sayin.
“If all the first time daters this coming Friday were giving the option of just sex OR just a date 90% of men would pick A and <50% of women would. Do you finally get it?"
Proof? O.o
18 is the age of consent in North America anyway
@Quackers
No it’s not. I’ve lived in 3 states.. 1 as a teen. 1 as a college student, and 1 as an adult. All have different laws. There is one state in particular that technically makes other college students “rapists” for consensual sex with 1st year undergrads born in the 3rd trimester of the year.
@Joanna
The proof is that you won’t put your money where your mouth is. On your next several first dates why don’t you offer to skip the date and go right to sex and then report back the accept/reject results. We’ll be waiting.
Oh and by the way. Don’t all of a sudden get super picky. You gotta keep it real.
DYE, I thought the point of a first date was to get to know someone? If I just wanted sex, I’d go for a one night stand =P
@Alyssa Sweet
“i find this happens a lot when talking to more conservative people, usually white men,”
Way to go! Classist, sexist and racist in one sentence.
Conservative = bad and incorrect,while leftist/communist = good and correct.
White = bad. Maybe we should round up all those evil whities, sans women of course.
Men = shit of course. Funny how it’s always usually men who are bad and wrong.
Keep up the hatred promotion!
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@Bee
“Not to mention:
-Most rapists have access to consensual sex.
-The average rapist rapes six victims.
-Most rapists also self-report as people who commit acts of violence.”
Nice stats and assumptions all rolled up into one monsterous propaganda advert.
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@Joanna
“You really do live in your own world. I mean, have you ever studied the psychology of young girls? At 6 or 7 all they care about is playing. Seriously, they don’t have the mental maturity to feel smug about gender politics.”
You’re right, who ever heard of a spoiled little girl?
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@Alyssa Sweet
“Also I don’t feel bad for men that boys are taught to be nice and not to hit people.”
I guess not, being women aren’t ever taught not to hit or be nice. How’d ya like to apply for college but before setting foot on the grounds, you have to take the, “he fears your lying, manipulative, backstabbing. false accusation ass class?
Then again, according to official feminists stats, women are flawless.
“You’re right, who ever heard of a spoiled little girl?”
Spoiled is not the same as smug.
Haven’t read all of the comments yet, but I just read the post, and this popped into my head:
And the people bowed and prayed
To the neon god they made.
And the sign flashed out its warning,
In the words that it was forming.
And the signs said, The words of the prophets
are written on the subway walls
And tenement halls.
And whisper’d in the sounds…of vaginas.
And because I CAN’T GET IT OUT, I have to share it.
“I guess not, being women aren’t ever taught not to hit or be nice.”
I was always encouraged to be nice. Most people are, regardless of gender.
“If all the first time daters this coming Friday were giving the option of just sex OR just a date 90% of men would pick A and <50% of women would. Do you finally get it?"
Citation needed.
Pro tip: Your ass isn't a source of data. The plural of anecdote is not data.
DYE,
I see. Makes sense to make it all 18 years old then, reduces confusion. You have to be 18 or older to star in porn anyway *shrugs*
Also about the sex vs date thing, I bet you if there was no slut double standard many more women would choose just the sex too. I don’t think you realize how much of an affect that has on a woman’s decision if, when and how often she has sex. Humans complicated sex, and now we have to live with the consequences.
And NWO fails to read again. This guy is complaining because he’s got a woman who isn’t leaving him; after she is, “past her sell by date”.
I think you mean “the age of consent varies between different countries, states, and jurisdictions in North America”.
I don’t think NAFTA includes age of consent provisions …
DYE: Achilles and his heel, Superman and his kryptonite–FICTIONAL CHARACTERS.
And I stand by the rhetorical disconnect. It’s not unique to the trolls; it’s a patriarchal trope that’s reinforced in all sorts of cultural narratives including, um, Greek epics and dramas and superhero comic books. Just because it’s ominpresent doesn’t make it right, and doesn’t make it applicable to the majority of men who (SURPRISE) are not “superheroes.”
The fact is that you’re all the same. Pervocracy, Simon, NWO, Pecunium, Ithiliana, Brandon… you’re all equally bad. All of us in Plato’s cave.