MGTOWers, mostly straight and mostly narrow, don’t really spend a lot of time discussing lesbians. Lesbians, after all, are not only women, but women who like other women — you know, like like. But recently one of the regulars on MGTOWforums.com discovered the concept of “lesbian bed death” – the mythological notion that lesbians in long term relationships barely ever have sex – and, well, a very strange conversation ensued. Shade47 started off the discussion with these, er, observations:
Looks like the super hip lesbos forgot the small fact that in lesbian relations no one ends up paying for sex so it doesn’t happen…
The, “we don’t need men not even for sex.” club isn’t a banging scene these days.
I guess this outcome should have been obvious since you can’t put a hole inside of a hole. I keep trying to picture that and it sends me in a logic loop like a computer tasked with calculating infinity. I just can’t grasp how nothing going into nothing can create the best thing since sliced bread. …
Shade47 is so baffled by lesbians that he refuses to believe that they actually exist:
Do you guys think women are really lesbians or is it just another form of “look at me” attention whoring? I mean they don’t have sex, they don’t reproduce, they don’t achieve financial success like the gay male community does. In fact I’m not sure exactly what lesbians are doing in their relationships. I still don’t believe they are real. In order for two people to come together there must be a very specific purpose and attention whoring is shallow even for women. They usually only shack up for babies and money.
Drauger seconded the notion that lesbians are imaginary:
What do you think would happy [if] you put [two] hateful women in a home together? Bliss? Bitches go fucking shit nuts if some man isn’t giving them attention.
Repeat after me: there is no such thing as a Lesbian, only really confused women. Women are by nature whores that will change their whims depending on the whim, depending on what they perceive society rewarding them for, i.e. whores.
However there are such things as gay men, they are men who have made a defining choice.
Goldenfetus added some conspiracy theory to the mix:
Honestly, I think the entire homosexual scene is about attention – for both men and women. I’m not denying that there are men who are attracted to men and women who are attracted to women, but I do believe the entire ‘gay culture’ was intentionally manufactured to further destroy the birthrate, with the reward for participation being attention and the approval of their elite masters.
Avoidwomen, for his part, not only accepted the existence of lesbianism; he also predicted a big lesbian upswing in the future after more and more men Go Their Own Way:
I expect to see a big increase in lesbianism as more and more men avoid women. We know that women are far more social than men and they really hate being alone, even having cats is considered companionship. As for sex, it’s possible one lesbian couple is a dyke with high T(for a woman) so she pressures the more feminine lesbian for sex and the dyke may actually be paying for sex.
Then he returned to his favorite hobbyhorses: sexbots and “virtual reality” girls:
It will be very interesting to see how much sex men have vs. how much sex women have with their virtual reality computer generated men and women in the year 2020. I bet most men get laid everyday while women try it a few times and not bother with sex anymore when she realizes there’s no money in it. Women will use VR men for his virtual money while men will be with virtual women for virtual sex.
The Great One imagined a slightly different result:
I think that instead of a rise in lesbianism we will see a rise in bisexuality among females.
When females can’t find a man, they will settle for another female (or several pets). .. These female on female relationships will fall to the side when an available man offers a long term relationship.
Several pets? Hmm. If this guy is right, the future may bring severe cat shortages, sending the price of cats through the roof!
I’m putting all my money in cat futures right now.
Stay tuned for more on MGTOWers and lesbians. It gets even weirder.
Your hat sounds v cute, Holly! I bought a hat recently but haven’t had a chance to wear it yet because I generally wear my bike helmet. It’s a green 1920s confection, I think it’s called a cloche style. With a bow.
heh…
“This quiz is provided for entertainment purposes only; it is not an IQ test. This score will not qualify you for Mensa. The questions on the “Mensa Workout” are biased towards people whose primary language is English. Mensa offers culture-fair testing throughout the world. Many of the questions on the “Mensa Workout” require you to have a graphical browser. The test is still enjoyable for those with text-only browsers, but your overall score may be considerably lower than it might be with a graphical browser.”
I’m a little disturbed about what Simon’s comments imply about his relationship with his sister. Beware, sister of Simon! Your brother apparently thinks that you will sleep with anyone who asks.
@Eneya:
Simon, if you have that score in Mensa, that totally proves that the test is bogus.
You are failing to make basic logic connections.
No there’s a difference between not being able to use logic or refusing to use it.
“Facts are chains that bind perception and fetter truth. For a man can remake the world if he has a dream and no facts to cloud his mind.”
Also, is it a thing in US MENSA tests to be done by people who don’t like/hate women as somehow justifying workaround? “Well… I can’t argue at all but… I have MENSA. It proves I am right, though I can’t use logic/arguments or even basic English to defend my ideas. But that’s not relevant, because intelligence is totally not subjective and me saying I am smart is exactly like being smart by showing it with actions/words/discussions with other people”?
Yes, my English is a big problem, I admit that, I’m still learning.
Logic-wise I’m on the dark side, I admit that… but where do you stand…?
Just look at the extremely faulty logic most of you use…
I would have never mentioned my Mensa score if it were not for Bees nonsensical accusations.
Bee said I were stupid and therefore she assumes that I am a misogynist (great logic!).
I said, that as she can see by looking at my posts, that I am at least able to use html-tags, so I’m not mentally disabled, there exist many people who are stupider than myself… for her they all must be misogynist.
It got even worse, Bee denied what she said and the wrote something like “haha, html tags, is that all you got?” and that’s really the only reason I cited my Mensa score, it was not meant to impress anybody.
@Sharculese:
careful guys, he’s in mensa AND he owns a set of encyclopedia britannicas. i dont think weve met someone of his intellectual capacity before
And…?
@ozymandias42:
Simon: Actual smart people don’t go about bragging about how smart they are.
Yes. But where did I do that? Quote me, please (and don’t forget to look at the context)!
Uh… rationality is good. I like rationality. It gives one such useful things as medicine and not burning people at the stake for being witches.
For what it’s worth, I got a 27/30. I missed the two word scrambles, and miscounted on one of the questions…
Hooray! I’m smarter than Simon!
@Simon:
“Bee said I were stupid and therefore she assumes that I am a misogynist (great logic!).”
I refer you to my last point on this subject, namely the youtube video. Nobody thinks she said this except for you. Dumbass.
ozymandias, can I try to compensate this slut-shaming with some slut-jealousy? As a woman with a low sex drive, I wish I could have have half your sex life. (even if that means no man will want to give me his babies or his money ^^)
LOLWHUT
Even if that were true, it’s still better than REFUSING TO USE ANY LOGIC AT ALL.
Also, simon, please answer my above question. Why do you think sex is disgusting? Why do you think women who have sex are disgusting?
@Shora:
As you probably noticed, English is not my native language, errors like accidentally confusing brake/break, proof/prove etc. happen sometimes (@kirbywarp, I didn’t take the English test), and I didn’t want to prove to anybody that I am smart, please read the original post.
“I would have never mentioned my Mensa score if it were not for Bees nonsensical accusations.”
Simon, just to reiterate…
“This quiz is provided for entertainment purposes only; it is not an IQ test. This score will not qualify you for Mensa.”
It’s about as relevant to your intelligence as the “95% of people get this one question wrong!” banner ads. If you want to prove your intelligence, try something else.
Simon, I apologize for poking fun at your grammar. I didn’t realize English was your second language, so that was very insensitive of me.
Protip: Stating your score on some mensa test without someone asking “Hey, why did you score on this mensa test?” makes you look like your trying to prove something, and also comes across as pretentious. If you’re not trying to do either of these things, don’t wave around your mensa scores.
Yo, nugganu said something back there that most of the readers probably know is false, but I just want to correct it real quick for people following at home:
The AIDS virus cannot “get through” “holes” in a condom. Latex condoms are extremely effective at preventing HIV transmission (like 98-100% effective) when they are properly used. The myth that HIV can get through a condom is a myth spread by abstinence-only programs in the US and elsewhere in order to scare people into avoiding sex. Unfortunately its only effect is to decrease condom usage since people who are sexually active will continue being sexually active except now they believe that condoms are worthless (which they ARE NOT).
A good way to think of it is this: you can fill a condom up with water, right? Water molecules are far far far far smaller than HIV particles. If water can’t leak through a condom, HIV can’t either.
Here’s a link to the US Center for Disease Control about HIV and condoms:
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/qa/prevention.htm
@kirbywarp:
No, that’s what she said (scroll up):
“Very stupid and easily led” ==(sufficient reason to assume you are a)==> MISOGYNIST
That’s what she meant in this context, don’t try to wiggle free by saying it was just meant as “cause and effect”.
@darksidecat
“Everything on that list is consistent with the notion that rape is about power.”
If that’s the case all crimes are about power.
Theft is the power to steal.
Murder is the power to kill.
Assault is the power to attack.
Extortion is the power to coerce.
All transgressions are the power to commit an act which harms another person. Saying rape is about power is superflous since all crimes are an act of power over another person. Rape is about sex, theft is about stealing, murder is about killing, assault is about attacking and extortion is about coercion. Theft without stealing is impossible. Theft is about the act of stealing, not the act of power.
that’s our owlslave!
Actually, no. She didn’t observe that you were stupid and then concluded you were a misogynist, thus assuming that all stupid people are misgynistic,
What she DID do was observe you were a misogynist and then speculated that stupidity was the cause.
These are two very different things
Simon, most people have pretty good boundaries or a sense of right and wrong. So while your GF may think your sister was attractive, she wouldn’t act on that because of you and her respect for you and all that good stuff that makes up healthy relationships. Or do you not think people are capable of those? Is it only bi people you have to watch out for?
If you need to be told why you shouldn’t call women whores, you are a dolt beyond help. Seriously, be ashamed of yourself.
NWO, dearie, usually when people steal things it is because they want money and either cannot or do not want to attain it through legal channels. I can vaguely imagine someone being all “ahahahahahaha I stole this from you THEREFORE I CONTROL YOU” but I don’t think it represents most thieves outside of Batman comics.
Hi NWO! I see your letting your stupid flag fly tonight.
^you’re. where’s the damn edit function? 🙁
@Simon:
*Sigh* If you are stupid and easily led, then you will fall for false arguments and be convinced by bad logic, thus being convinced into misogyny. Being either of the former does not automatically imply the latter, but it makes it more likely.
This is all rather silly, Simon. Do we really have to spell everything out in modus ponens for you?
1. Someone who is stupid or easily led can be convinced by bad arguments.
2. You are stupid or easily led.
3. You can be convinced by bad arguments (1 and 2)
4. Someone can be misogynistic by being convinced of bad arguments.
5. You can be convinced to be misogynistic. (3 and 4)
Or something like that… Ultimately it’s all very pointless.
I suspected some people were interpreting Simon’s remark here incorrectly, and his recent posts have somewhat confirmed my initial suspicion. He’s not merely saying lesbian sex is icky, but rather that it’s about policing his potential girlfriends thoughts and desires. If she were straight, he could be “reasonable” and tell her to only limit her interactions to other women, but if she’s bi, then he’d have to be “unreasonable” and prohibit her from interacting with anyone but himself.
It’s all about control.
Hey, NWO. Are all acts that could be sex in some context sexual?