MGTOWers, mostly straight and mostly narrow, don’t really spend a lot of time discussing lesbians. Lesbians, after all, are not only women, but women who like other women — you know, like like. But recently one of the regulars on MGTOWforums.com discovered the concept of “lesbian bed death” – the mythological notion that lesbians in long term relationships barely ever have sex – and, well, a very strange conversation ensued. Shade47 started off the discussion with these, er, observations:
Looks like the super hip lesbos forgot the small fact that in lesbian relations no one ends up paying for sex so it doesn’t happen…
The, “we don’t need men not even for sex.” club isn’t a banging scene these days.
I guess this outcome should have been obvious since you can’t put a hole inside of a hole. I keep trying to picture that and it sends me in a logic loop like a computer tasked with calculating infinity. I just can’t grasp how nothing going into nothing can create the best thing since sliced bread. …
Shade47 is so baffled by lesbians that he refuses to believe that they actually exist:
Do you guys think women are really lesbians or is it just another form of “look at me” attention whoring? I mean they don’t have sex, they don’t reproduce, they don’t achieve financial success like the gay male community does. In fact I’m not sure exactly what lesbians are doing in their relationships. I still don’t believe they are real. In order for two people to come together there must be a very specific purpose and attention whoring is shallow even for women. They usually only shack up for babies and money.
Drauger seconded the notion that lesbians are imaginary:
What do you think would happy [if] you put [two] hateful women in a home together? Bliss? Bitches go fucking shit nuts if some man isn’t giving them attention.
Repeat after me: there is no such thing as a Lesbian, only really confused women. Women are by nature whores that will change their whims depending on the whim, depending on what they perceive society rewarding them for, i.e. whores.
However there are such things as gay men, they are men who have made a defining choice.
Goldenfetus added some conspiracy theory to the mix:
Honestly, I think the entire homosexual scene is about attention – for both men and women. I’m not denying that there are men who are attracted to men and women who are attracted to women, but I do believe the entire ‘gay culture’ was intentionally manufactured to further destroy the birthrate, with the reward for participation being attention and the approval of their elite masters.
Avoidwomen, for his part, not only accepted the existence of lesbianism; he also predicted a big lesbian upswing in the future after more and more men Go Their Own Way:
I expect to see a big increase in lesbianism as more and more men avoid women. We know that women are far more social than men and they really hate being alone, even having cats is considered companionship. As for sex, it’s possible one lesbian couple is a dyke with high T(for a woman) so she pressures the more feminine lesbian for sex and the dyke may actually be paying for sex.
Then he returned to his favorite hobbyhorses: sexbots and “virtual reality” girls:
It will be very interesting to see how much sex men have vs. how much sex women have with their virtual reality computer generated men and women in the year 2020. I bet most men get laid everyday while women try it a few times and not bother with sex anymore when she realizes there’s no money in it. Women will use VR men for his virtual money while men will be with virtual women for virtual sex.
The Great One imagined a slightly different result:
I think that instead of a rise in lesbianism we will see a rise in bisexuality among females.
When females can’t find a man, they will settle for another female (or several pets). .. These female on female relationships will fall to the side when an available man offers a long term relationship.
Several pets? Hmm. If this guy is right, the future may bring severe cat shortages, sending the price of cats through the roof!
I’m putting all my money in cat futures right now.
Stay tuned for more on MGTOWers and lesbians. It gets even weirder.
Why do you have to use the word whore incorrectly? Who is compelling you to call someone with multiple partners a sex worker?
Is there someone with you holding a gun to your head demanding you sit in judgement of people who have more partners than you think they ought?
“You do know there are people out there who have happy, open, polygamous relationships with multiple partners, right, Simon?”
Yes, indeed, most of them are Muslims. Don’t worry, once the Islamists take over, and you women are made to wear burkas, you are going to be learning a whole lot more about polygamous relationships, and shariah law, and stonings, and genital mutilations. All things the western feminist conveniently ignore.
This is what feminism has wrought – it has weakened the west, to the point that you have effeminate men such as the ones who post here regularly, whom the Islamists would laugh at if they ever decided to move against our society. Feminism has turned western men into such manginas that our civilization will be an epic fail in defence from outsiders.
I mean, what do you think the average soldier would quake in their boots if effete ponces like these pathetic excuses for men were facing them down in battle? I think not.
“Why do you have to use the word whore incorrectly? Who is compelling you to call someone with multiple partners a sex worker?”
Indeed, whore is too good of a word for some of them on here, it’s an insult to honest whores everywhere.
Six partners (mind you, I didn’t start having sex until I was 21, and I’m 23 now, so I’ve done my best to make up for lost time), no pregnancies or STDs. I have had one STD scare, and guess why? My male partner at the time wasn’t honest with me. Fortunately I tested clean, but if I hadn’t, it would not have been my fault in any way, though it’s not as if anyone ever should feel shame for having an STD. To sum it up: Planned Parenthood is fantastic. Though even they cannot cure an irrational phobia of vaginas.
Hellkell – I keep trying to parse that comment in English and keep getting stuck.
The best I’ve got is “oh, ‘whore’ just means zie’s a dirty skank, that’s all, no big deal, I mean, we all know that’s what’s really going on there.”
Holes within holes! Holeception!
Anyway… I loved this part of the OP:
It’s just so… It’s not just saying that a penis is needed for sex, its saying that the man himself is necessary to pay for things, otherwise the woman will never have sex! It’s like all women in the world are prostitutes or something…
Oh, wait… But of course, in the MRM there are some dudes who are into dudes. Obviously gay men exist then, cause look there they are!
Could I have Simon’s last statement again in English? Actually scratch that – could we maybe just create a misogynist to English handbook?
Will you idiots please just go your own way, preferably in an ocean colony away the fuck from the rest of us?
People, people… Don’t you know? “Whore” is just another word for “woman.” Which also means full of nasty icky diseases. I mean, we all know what’s going on out there.
@ Simon: Much to the chagrin of my bisexual friends, I can assure you that straight women do exist. Also, I can assure you that bisexual women are perfectly capable of monogamy, as my bisexual friends and my bisexual sister in monogamous relationships would suggest. Bleh.
@Bostonian – Clearly, women only have sex when they’re gaining something non-sexual from it. Usually money or other resources. Thus, in special MRA world, women who have sex must be whores. Even if there’s no explicit exchange of money for sex, the man must have given the woman SOMETHING of value to compel her to sleep with him.
After all, if all sex consists of men roughly entering women, pumping stolidly away for a few minutes, orgasming, and then continuing to ignore said women, then women probably have to be compensated in some way to put up with it.
There is no such thing as sex where women participate because they derive pleasure from the act. None.
@hellkell:
Please, the last posts were more meant as feuilletonistic micro opinion pieces. As I said, that’s just something I believe, like you may believe that rape is about power and not about sex. But I really don’t want to convert you!
Of course this is bad evidence, but it’s still better than telling my personal stories:
“Bi women and gay men were the most likely to cheat on their partners”
Hah!
And that was the article I meant.
In other words, you have no evidence, and don’t understand how to look at evidence, given your attempt to equate it with the general scientific consensus on rape. You’re even more stupid than I thought.
You can’t even link to a study; you have Dan Savage’s idiotic survey as the only point you can raise; that’s pathetic.
Even when in the deepest, darkest throes of fundamentalist Christianity, I have never hated people enough to call them names for doing something in private, which would never hurt me.
What is wrong with you, Simon?
Simon, the difference between… oh, fuck it, just read Rutee’s comment until it seeps in your pin head.
Seriously? This is crazy!!!
..Though I did have a guy tell me recently that he didn’t ‘really believe all that lesbian stuff’. Really? You’ve never met a lesbian and therefore DON’T BELIEVE that an entire minority of people exist on the earth? Really?? If you’d never seen a black person on a bus would you not believe in them either, as they’re a minority??
The craziest thing about this particular guy (for me) was that he worked in alternative medicine! How much more of a lesbian career path could you go down without actually being a lesbian??
I was a lesbian for a very long time. Very happily a lesbian, I even had lesbian sex and fulfilling lesbian relationships! I’ve now married a man. A much younger man who Does believe lesbians exist, thankfully, or I would have never given him the time of day. If my gorgeous younger man ever called a woman a whore, I would be prepared to risk being ‘forced’ to buy a cat due to my lack of a man after I threw him out the door.
If he wanted to See a whore (I hate the word whore btw) I would say OK, provided I can go out and sleep with lesbians. Obviously he hasn’t suggested it yet 😉
Really you’ve got to pity these poor men. If they hate women that much and they haven’t discovered gay men yet, who are they getting their love and affection from? Not the whores I’m guessing.
But at least now we know that most bisexuals would rather have sex with Kenny G than Linda Tripp. SCIENCE!
@CassandraSays:
Sorry, but why should I be a misogynist?
I give you an example, maybe you’ll understand then:
I and my anti-speciesistic friends are not afraid to call people who eat animals “murderers”, even if they don’t meet the common definition of a murderer: somebody who premeditatedly kills another human.
And exactly like it may be totally common today to have 14 sex partners or more, we still use the word “whore” in that case.
“…change their whims depending on the whim,”
Um, the fuck? Whims are caused by…whims? What’s actually being said here?
Because nastiness is not optional!
Okay, then you’re an asshole.
But don’t worry, I’m Humpty Fucking Dumpty and “asshole” means precisely what I want it to mean, nothing more or less. Any resemblance to vicious insults used by other people is purely coincidental.
Good question. I can’t think of a single reason, dude. And yet you are one. Probably because you’re very stupid and easily led.
@Rukee:
The scientific consensus on rape isn’t that it’s about power, many doubt that, for example Steven Pinker.
@Bee:
At least it’s somehow objective… still better than your personal stories NOBODY could ever verify.
“At least it’s somehow objective… still better than your personal stories NOBODY could ever verify.”
Pot, Kettle etc. etc..
@Simon:
“The scientific consensus on rape isn’t that it’s about power, many doubt that, for example Steven Pinker.”
Many scientists doubt Evolution, doesn’t mean there isn’t a consensus that it happens. If you’re gonna use the word “many,” make sure you back it up with percentages or something… Also, Steven Pinker doesn’t exactly study rape… his work is in cognition and language. Not all scientists are equally credible on every subject. Just saying.