MGTOWers, mostly straight and mostly narrow, don’t really spend a lot of time discussing lesbians. Lesbians, after all, are not only women, but women who like other women — you know, like like. But recently one of the regulars on MGTOWforums.com discovered the concept of “lesbian bed death” – the mythological notion that lesbians in long term relationships barely ever have sex – and, well, a very strange conversation ensued. Shade47 started off the discussion with these, er, observations:
Looks like the super hip lesbos forgot the small fact that in lesbian relations no one ends up paying for sex so it doesn’t happen…
The, “we don’t need men not even for sex.” club isn’t a banging scene these days.
I guess this outcome should have been obvious since you can’t put a hole inside of a hole. I keep trying to picture that and it sends me in a logic loop like a computer tasked with calculating infinity. I just can’t grasp how nothing going into nothing can create the best thing since sliced bread. …
Shade47 is so baffled by lesbians that he refuses to believe that they actually exist:
Do you guys think women are really lesbians or is it just another form of “look at me” attention whoring? I mean they don’t have sex, they don’t reproduce, they don’t achieve financial success like the gay male community does. In fact I’m not sure exactly what lesbians are doing in their relationships. I still don’t believe they are real. In order for two people to come together there must be a very specific purpose and attention whoring is shallow even for women. They usually only shack up for babies and money.
Drauger seconded the notion that lesbians are imaginary:
What do you think would happy [if] you put [two] hateful women in a home together? Bliss? Bitches go fucking shit nuts if some man isn’t giving them attention.
Repeat after me: there is no such thing as a Lesbian, only really confused women. Women are by nature whores that will change their whims depending on the whim, depending on what they perceive society rewarding them for, i.e. whores.
However there are such things as gay men, they are men who have made a defining choice.
Goldenfetus added some conspiracy theory to the mix:
Honestly, I think the entire homosexual scene is about attention – for both men and women. I’m not denying that there are men who are attracted to men and women who are attracted to women, but I do believe the entire ‘gay culture’ was intentionally manufactured to further destroy the birthrate, with the reward for participation being attention and the approval of their elite masters.
Avoidwomen, for his part, not only accepted the existence of lesbianism; he also predicted a big lesbian upswing in the future after more and more men Go Their Own Way:
I expect to see a big increase in lesbianism as more and more men avoid women. We know that women are far more social than men and they really hate being alone, even having cats is considered companionship. As for sex, it’s possible one lesbian couple is a dyke with high T(for a woman) so she pressures the more feminine lesbian for sex and the dyke may actually be paying for sex.
Then he returned to his favorite hobbyhorses: sexbots and “virtual reality” girls:
It will be very interesting to see how much sex men have vs. how much sex women have with their virtual reality computer generated men and women in the year 2020. I bet most men get laid everyday while women try it a few times and not bother with sex anymore when she realizes there’s no money in it. Women will use VR men for his virtual money while men will be with virtual women for virtual sex.
The Great One imagined a slightly different result:
I think that instead of a rise in lesbianism we will see a rise in bisexuality among females.
When females can’t find a man, they will settle for another female (or several pets). .. These female on female relationships will fall to the side when an available man offers a long term relationship.
Several pets? Hmm. If this guy is right, the future may bring severe cat shortages, sending the price of cats through the roof!
I’m putting all my money in cat futures right now.
Stay tuned for more on MGTOWers and lesbians. It gets even weirder.
1) I currently do not have any STIs, as far as I know. My most recent test was two weeks ago, for chlamydia, herpes, HIV, gonorrhea and syphilis. I am careful about condoms, ask my sex partners to get tested and mostly sleep with virgins.
2) The heights of my current partners range between two inches away from counting as a little person (my girlfriend) to half an inch taller than me (5’7″). I do not, however, sleep with misogynists.
2a) My most sexually successful boyfriend was two inches shorter than me. He had two other girlfriends when I dated him. (Unfortunately, he’s monogamous now. 🙁 )
3) I am extremely, borderline-underweight skinny, but I’m not petite (I’m too tall for that!).
4) I am genderqueer; any pronoun you want to use for me I’m fine with, but I typically use “zie/zir” (use like she/her) to refer to myself.
4a) MRAL, what exactly is the point of ALLCAPSing the female pronouns you use to refer to me? Is that supposed to be some manner of insult? o.O
5) Depending on your definition of sex, I’ve had sex with between eight and fourteen people. I have five partners at the moment. It’s up to you whether that makes me a slut.
6) My theory is that horny people are more likely to identify as bi because if you’re a non-horny Kinsey 1 you might not even notice your homosexual attraction, while a horny Kinsey 1 definitely will. This also neatly explains why women are more likely to identify as bisexual.
7) I love this comment thread. It’s been so long since someone slut-shamed me!
Gah, left off the second half of a sentence. The end of Point Six should read: “women are more likely to identify as bisexual, because it is more accepted that women CAN identify as bisexual.”
Thanks for the info, VoiP! That’s really interesting, and nothing I had heard of before.
I tried to post a thank you earlier but either it got stuck in moderation or I did something weird with my phone, so if it’s the former sorry for the excessive posting, everyone 🙂
What? How did we end up being trolled by some random shmuck about him having nothing better to do with his life than wondering about the sexual life of Ozy?
Dude… get a life already, it’s getting pathetic.
I wonder… how do you live with “I don’t hate women” and “I am going to use the word whore as an insult, though it is a meaningless word in the company of people who have no issues about their sexuality, or the sexuality of the rest around them” and “I don’t hate women” and “I am going to try and humiliate someone by implying that the person has a sexually transmitted disease, because god knows nobody in the world ever catches any kind of disease unless for a punishment from above”.
Pull you head out of you ass and think for a moment – does anyone here gives a fuck about your sexual frustration? After you finally realise that the answer is negative, we can move on to proceed handing you ass to you in logical discussions.
HOW LESBIANS HAVE SEX, A HELPFUL GUIDE FOR MISOGYNISTS
As an official Bisexual Girl, I can now exclusively reveal how two people with vaginas have sex. Generally, it begins with ordinary foreplay: kissing, breast-groping, taking off clothes, neck-sucking, floggings, etc. Such is basically the same as cis heterosexual or homosexual male sex.
For the next step, it is important to understand that the vulva and penis are homologous: they have the same parts, only in different arrangements. For instance, testes are external, while ovaries are internal. Now, women have clitorises, which are homologous to the head of the penis; in addition, women have the internal clitoris (one part of which is famous as the G-spot) which is homologous to the shaft. Therefore, imagine the kinds of sex you appreciate; whatever kind of sex it is, some lesbians will appreciate those kinds of sex too.
“But Ozy,” you say, “I’m a misogynist, I’m just not that creative.” Well, never let it be said I’m less than helpful. Orgasm-producing sex two people with vaginas can do includes:
clit-rubbing with fingers
finger-fucking
licking of clits or vulvar region
nippleplay
fisting
tribadism
rimjobs
anal penetration with fingers or toy
vibrators placed on clitorises or in vaginas
dildos placed in vaginas
blowjobs (with Feeldoe or strapon dildo)
a wide variety of kinky sex
So us ladies who like ladies and gentlemen only half exist? The things you learn…
“Depending on your definition of sex, I’ve had sex with between eight and fourteen people. I have five partners at the moment. It’s up to you whether that makes me a slut.”
Yuck! Good luck ever finding a man who would want to make you a wife or have children with you unless it was by accident.
Ah, Simon. Telling other people how he thinks they work since dinosaurs roamed the earth. It’s kind of amazing how one person can be wrong so consistently – you’d think that like a stopped clock he’d be right sometimes just by sheer coincidence.
The funny part about MRAs wondering how any sex could happen without their mighty PENIS being in the picture, is that for a significant majority of cis women, penetration is not that entertaining in the first place.
This, incidently, might explain their weird belief that women don’t like sex. If sex = penetration, and most women don’t enjoy PIV but prefer clitoral stimulation, well… I expect the vast majority of the Mighty Penis Squad might conceivably never brought about their partner(s) to orgasm.
When i was 21 I had a 27 year-old lover who had been married for 4 years, and she had never had an orgasm before. So I know those poor women exist out there.
So… basically bisexual people as some sort of Schroedinger’s cats?
Having had sex with 14 people makes someone a giant whore in MRAL’s universe?
Wow. Normally I think of “he doesn’t get out much” as rather a silly putdown, but in his case it actually appears to be true.
@Eneya: We bisexuals get treated as non-existent unless observed by two outside lovers, so that fits.
@ BlackBloc – Yup. Man clumsily jackhammers away at a succession of women and none of them seem particularly enthused. If man is a sexist prick, man concludes that women just don’t like sex.
@CassandraSays:
Ah, Simon. Telling other people how he thinks they work since dinosaurs roamed the earth. It’s kind of amazing how one person can be wrong so consistently – you’d think that like a stopped clock he’d be right sometimes just by sheer coincidence. You shouldn’t spent that much time on rationalwiki.org.
The High-T theory is just speculation, maybe, possibly or even probably wrong, 99% of all women have lower T than men anyway and I don’t know a serious scientific study about this. I just have this suspicion because of the FTM transition stories…
Or do you mean the cheating bisexual women theory? That’s really common sense but there’s even a scientific study… google “The more they like sex, the more women like women” or something like that.
Given these facts it just would be surprising if bisexual women wouldn’t cheat more often.
Simon, your logic is absurd. Cheating is not connected just with the amount of attraction towards people. Your argument is that being attracted to both men and women somehow amplifies the sex drive. Being attracted to one gender or another… r both has no correlation with the amount of sex one craves.
Seriously, how did you came up with that half-baked logic?
Like I said earlier, it’s good that Lesbians exist because it weeds the inferior genes out of the population if they aren’t able to breed, which is likely. Ditto for rad fems. The girl I dated when I was 20, rode the cock carousel to the point that she’s now a 37 year old fat ugly radical disease-infested feminist bisexual. She will never breed. She looks like she’s in her 50’s from all the sexual partners and lifestyle she lived. This is a good thing. Her genes, along with her twisted ideology, will die with her, as she is far to gross for a man to go near anymore. Luckily this will be the fate of many of the women on this board too. Feminism will destroy itself eventually, because there won’t be any fat harpies left to promote it.
Sorry, hit enter, anyway.
I know a lot more monosexual cheaters than bisexual cheaters.
Of the female bisexuals I know, about two-thirds have never cheated. Of the straight women I know… about two-thirds have never cheated.
Just saying.
What facts, Simon? You have presented exactly zero of them, and if you think I’m here to be your Google bitch, you are sadly mistaken.
Simon – bisexual women are hyper-promiscuous by their very definition. It is known fact that the more sexual partners a slut has, the less likely she’ll be able to form any meaningful pair bonds with any one person. Thus they will inevitably cheat. It’s unavoidable, they are disoriented and have a mental disorder that only like, shock therapy could cure. Notice how they also suffer from a myriad of emotional and psychological disorders from their sexual disorientation and penis envy.
“I know a lot more monosexual cheaters than bisexual cheaters.”
That’s because people who identify themselves as bisexual total to about 0.02 % if the population.
@CassandraSays:
Having had sex with 14 people makes someone a giant whore in MRAL’s universe?
Wow. Normally I think of “he doesn’t get out much” as rather a silly putdown, but in his case it actually appears to be true.
The “whore” thing is just a moral judgment, “we” (I hope he doesn’t mind that I speak for him) just think this way in this regard and even if we have to use this word on many, it doesn’t mean that we don’t know what’s going on out there.
There’s a lot of FTM transition stories that include “I lived as a butch lesbian for a while.” There’s very few that include “I was a cheating hypersexual bisexual for a while,” at least not compared to people in general’s stories.
Also hormone levels don’t have much to do with gender identity anyway.
That’s a whole lotta fail you got going on there, Simon. To make one point: What you appear to be speculating about is something that might cause one to have an increased libido or something that might cause one to choose a nonmonogamous relationship. Whether one cheats or not has a lot more to do with one’s ethical point of view than with one’s sex drive,
You do know there are people out there who have happy, open, polygamous relationships with multiple partners, right, Simon?
(I always ask him these really simple questions, but I suspect that Simon in fact does not know very much. Sad, really.)
What does this even MEAN? So you save the word “whore” for special occasions? I have no idea what you’re trying to get across.