MGTOWers, mostly straight and mostly narrow, don’t really spend a lot of time discussing lesbians. Lesbians, after all, are not only women, but women who like other women — you know, like like. But recently one of the regulars on MGTOWforums.com discovered the concept of “lesbian bed death” – the mythological notion that lesbians in long term relationships barely ever have sex – and, well, a very strange conversation ensued. Shade47 started off the discussion with these, er, observations:
Looks like the super hip lesbos forgot the small fact that in lesbian relations no one ends up paying for sex so it doesn’t happen…
The, “we don’t need men not even for sex.” club isn’t a banging scene these days.
I guess this outcome should have been obvious since you can’t put a hole inside of a hole. I keep trying to picture that and it sends me in a logic loop like a computer tasked with calculating infinity. I just can’t grasp how nothing going into nothing can create the best thing since sliced bread. …
Shade47 is so baffled by lesbians that he refuses to believe that they actually exist:
Do you guys think women are really lesbians or is it just another form of “look at me” attention whoring? I mean they don’t have sex, they don’t reproduce, they don’t achieve financial success like the gay male community does. In fact I’m not sure exactly what lesbians are doing in their relationships. I still don’t believe they are real. In order for two people to come together there must be a very specific purpose and attention whoring is shallow even for women. They usually only shack up for babies and money.
Drauger seconded the notion that lesbians are imaginary:
What do you think would happy [if] you put [two] hateful women in a home together? Bliss? Bitches go fucking shit nuts if some man isn’t giving them attention.
Repeat after me: there is no such thing as a Lesbian, only really confused women. Women are by nature whores that will change their whims depending on the whim, depending on what they perceive society rewarding them for, i.e. whores.
However there are such things as gay men, they are men who have made a defining choice.
Goldenfetus added some conspiracy theory to the mix:
Honestly, I think the entire homosexual scene is about attention – for both men and women. I’m not denying that there are men who are attracted to men and women who are attracted to women, but I do believe the entire ‘gay culture’ was intentionally manufactured to further destroy the birthrate, with the reward for participation being attention and the approval of their elite masters.
Avoidwomen, for his part, not only accepted the existence of lesbianism; he also predicted a big lesbian upswing in the future after more and more men Go Their Own Way:
I expect to see a big increase in lesbianism as more and more men avoid women. We know that women are far more social than men and they really hate being alone, even having cats is considered companionship. As for sex, it’s possible one lesbian couple is a dyke with high T(for a woman) so she pressures the more feminine lesbian for sex and the dyke may actually be paying for sex.
Then he returned to his favorite hobbyhorses: sexbots and “virtual reality” girls:
It will be very interesting to see how much sex men have vs. how much sex women have with their virtual reality computer generated men and women in the year 2020. I bet most men get laid everyday while women try it a few times and not bother with sex anymore when she realizes there’s no money in it. Women will use VR men for his virtual money while men will be with virtual women for virtual sex.
The Great One imagined a slightly different result:
I think that instead of a rise in lesbianism we will see a rise in bisexuality among females.
When females can’t find a man, they will settle for another female (or several pets). .. These female on female relationships will fall to the side when an available man offers a long term relationship.
Several pets? Hmm. If this guy is right, the future may bring severe cat shortages, sending the price of cats through the roof!
I’m putting all my money in cat futures right now.
Stay tuned for more on MGTOWers and lesbians. It gets even weirder.
Well, as long as you have absolutely no proof, but just believe it for some reason …
I’ve heard this whole “high-T” mythos before. It’s one of the many “get out of stereotype free” trapdoors built into the manosphere–if a woman isn’t acting the way your theories predicted, claim she’s hormonally masculine! It’s sort of like science!
So if a woman wants sex for its own sake or wants sex with other women, clearly you weren’t wrong about women; she’s just wrong about being a woman.
It’s a bizarre little bit of mythology, obviously having nothing to do with blood tests let alone actual gender, but it provides a nice escape clause.
When I read things by PUAs, MGTOW, and MRAs on this site, I pray for both of my daughters to be gay.
Having more testosterone or not… still women. So their logic fails.
Simple as that.
I WISH all straight women were bisexual. Fuck. All those hot straight friends of mine…
Holly: I choose to interpret this “high-T” theory as the manosphere claiming that all horny women are genderqueer. Genderqueers just don’t have enough stereotypes, you know?
Simon, how nice of you to pull that theory out of your ass just for us.
Hellkell, I thought Simon was joking?
No?
Bostonian, I wish that all of the above literally go away. Pack their things and take the hike.
Hi T women, whilst having a vagina, are not exactly women in the true sense though – they are incapable of attracting males for sex, and I daresay nature intended them to be this way.
It’s Darwin’s way of getting their obviously flawed genetics out of the human gene pool. Probably somewhere down the family line, the genes starting mutating beyond viability until the end result was the stereotypical high T bull dyke – what better way than for evolution to eradicate these genetic deformities/abnormalities/mutations for the betterment of the human race?
Yes Enya, I wish for that too.
Oh and Simon totally has it down, too; I cheat with my female friends all the time unless I have constant monitoring. Because “bisexual” is code for “obsessed with sex and entirely unconcerned with the feelings of others.” That’s why my boyfriend gave me this stylish cowbell necklace!
[Note from DF: At this point MRAL suggested that one of the regular commenters here had STDs. I’ve deleted that comment and a bunch of following comments from him. That’s why, in the following comments, people are responding to comments from him that are no longer there.]
Stop being jealous that some else is having sex MRAL.
Fucking A, Mr. Al. Work out your feelings of inferiority someplace else.
Sexy tall dates? I thought Ozy was okay with all sorts of sized dates.
Actually, you know what, that’s basically lesbianism in a nutshell. They and their family line have degraded genetically so badly as to no longer be viable within nature, so, nature finally says, “Enough! This programming is faulty”. Thus nature selects the hyper masculinized female for genetic extinction by rendering the female so physically masculine that a heterosexual would indeed rather mate with a goat or a sheep or some such, thus ending the genetic line permanently. I think that just about solves the riddle of the High T lesbian.
MRAL, if you ever have sex, you’re going to find yourself doing it with the sort of woman who has sex.
Ponder upon this before casting judgement.
(Also, what if someone does have STDs? They’re microbial diseases, not Proof Of Ickiness. The fact that sex sometimes transmits diseases is an unfortunate bit of biology, not cosmic judgement upon yucky sluts.)
I think Ozymandias is rather petite, actually. But why do you care? You fear and hate vulvas, for crying out loud. How would you even deal with sex in the first place?
There are these AWESOME new inventions called condoms. Used properly they have this kewl ability to PREVENT the spread of sexually transmitted diseases. Know what else is nifty?
You can get them at the local grocery store or even…..THE CONVENIENCE STORE.
So one day, when you grow all the way up and stop being a sad excuse for a human MRAL, you can obtain them and have fun sexy times like Ozy. But not with Ozy, she has standards.
Oh and sorry about using she, I am still not used to using zir or is it zie? 🙁
MRAL – most young white bisexual women are chock full of STDs
We get that because you called them vile, disease ridden gashes earlier this week.
Yeah, we know you’re not working them out, MRAL. You’re not even trying.
There are actually fake lesbians but thinking that there are no real lesbians because of some bi curious girl putting on a show is highly ridiculous.
I said bi curious not bisexual because you can experiment with homosexuality to satisfy curiosity and than learn it’s not for you.
Seriously, MRAL, this kind of jealousy is not a good look on you.
If you work out your nasty, toxic personality and grow a set of social skills, you too can have sex one day.
Actually it has been proven that the AIDS virus can pass through the perforations of a comdom, it was measured in micrometers I believe. So all you straight women out there – be careful when having sex with bisexual sodomites. As we all know, the media have been warning for 25 years that the AIDS epidemic would spread to the straight community. Of course, this never happened, short of a few women who chose to allow gay dudes to roger them.
Ever notice how heterosexual men never get AIDS, unless if it’s from sharing a dirty needle or from a white woman who was full of AIDS due to promiscuous relations with otherwise gay fellas?