MGTOWers, mostly straight and mostly narrow, don’t really spend a lot of time discussing lesbians. Lesbians, after all, are not only women, but women who like other women — you know, like like. But recently one of the regulars on MGTOWforums.com discovered the concept of “lesbian bed death” – the mythological notion that lesbians in long term relationships barely ever have sex – and, well, a very strange conversation ensued. Shade47 started off the discussion with these, er, observations:
Looks like the super hip lesbos forgot the small fact that in lesbian relations no one ends up paying for sex so it doesn’t happen…
The, “we don’t need men not even for sex.” club isn’t a banging scene these days.
I guess this outcome should have been obvious since you can’t put a hole inside of a hole. I keep trying to picture that and it sends me in a logic loop like a computer tasked with calculating infinity. I just can’t grasp how nothing going into nothing can create the best thing since sliced bread. …
Shade47 is so baffled by lesbians that he refuses to believe that they actually exist:
Do you guys think women are really lesbians or is it just another form of “look at me” attention whoring? I mean they don’t have sex, they don’t reproduce, they don’t achieve financial success like the gay male community does. In fact I’m not sure exactly what lesbians are doing in their relationships. I still don’t believe they are real. In order for two people to come together there must be a very specific purpose and attention whoring is shallow even for women. They usually only shack up for babies and money.
Drauger seconded the notion that lesbians are imaginary:
What do you think would happy [if] you put [two] hateful women in a home together? Bliss? Bitches go fucking shit nuts if some man isn’t giving them attention.
Repeat after me: there is no such thing as a Lesbian, only really confused women. Women are by nature whores that will change their whims depending on the whim, depending on what they perceive society rewarding them for, i.e. whores.
However there are such things as gay men, they are men who have made a defining choice.
Goldenfetus added some conspiracy theory to the mix:
Honestly, I think the entire homosexual scene is about attention – for both men and women. I’m not denying that there are men who are attracted to men and women who are attracted to women, but I do believe the entire ‘gay culture’ was intentionally manufactured to further destroy the birthrate, with the reward for participation being attention and the approval of their elite masters.
Avoidwomen, for his part, not only accepted the existence of lesbianism; he also predicted a big lesbian upswing in the future after more and more men Go Their Own Way:
I expect to see a big increase in lesbianism as more and more men avoid women. We know that women are far more social than men and they really hate being alone, even having cats is considered companionship. As for sex, it’s possible one lesbian couple is a dyke with high T(for a woman) so she pressures the more feminine lesbian for sex and the dyke may actually be paying for sex.
Then he returned to his favorite hobbyhorses: sexbots and “virtual reality” girls:
It will be very interesting to see how much sex men have vs. how much sex women have with their virtual reality computer generated men and women in the year 2020. I bet most men get laid everyday while women try it a few times and not bother with sex anymore when she realizes there’s no money in it. Women will use VR men for his virtual money while men will be with virtual women for virtual sex.
The Great One imagined a slightly different result:
I think that instead of a rise in lesbianism we will see a rise in bisexuality among females.
When females can’t find a man, they will settle for another female (or several pets). .. These female on female relationships will fall to the side when an available man offers a long term relationship.
Several pets? Hmm. If this guy is right, the future may bring severe cat shortages, sending the price of cats through the roof!
I’m putting all my money in cat futures right now.
Stay tuned for more on MGTOWers and lesbians. It gets even weirder.
I’m not sure how this is relevant? I mean sure, there’s a lot of things like this out there, but what makes you think we’d react to such threads any differently than we react to your comments?
Brandon: @Magpie: “feminists say so” is the worst “rule of thumb” ever. I don’t base my decisions and actions based on what a group of people will think of me.
Which is why he doesn’t worry about false rape accusations. It doesn’t matter what people think of him.
“I don’t base my decisions and actions based on what a group of people will think of me.”
So what were you planning on doing with a list of what constitutes misogyny? Grade it?
@CassandraSays
“Or they could just admit that it’s none of their business, that would work too.”
The point of the manboobz site is to butt into everyone else’s business. Maybe you should take your own advice.
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@Eneya
“calling women slurs on the ground their are women”
No, women are called slurs on the grounds of their actions, not simply because they’re women.
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@Magpie
“if you can’t work it out for yourself, ‘feminists say so’ is a pretty good rule of thumb to tell if something is misogynistic.”
If you want to find out if a womans actions or words are misandric, ask an MRA.
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@ithiliana
“Here are some statistics presented by one of the experts on my campus about the situation for GLBT people in the United States: she and I are trying to get a Safe Spaces Program started on our very rural, very backward university.”
An expert? A self-anointed expert told you this? Manboobz is chock full of them. A safe space? Kind of like a propaganda headquarters where you can make up leaflets and such telling people what to think? No one has to accept LGBT as normal or desirable.
“4x more likely to commit suicide”
One of your propaganda stats from your self-anointed expert? We have real stats saying men are 4x more likely to commit suicide. That seems okie dokie, yet when a false flag about your precious perversion is presented now it’s a problem?
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@sarahejones
“Simon, people like you are why I don’t usually identify myself as bisexual.”
No, you ID as bi because you fuck both men and women.
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@felixBC
“So what were you planning on doing with a list of what constitutes misogyny?”
At least we now know what constitutes misogyny. Anything any woman says is misogyny, is misogyny.
Oh, here we go.
1000 comments by morning?
Could be, David, depending on which of our resident contrarians gets hold of it.
Kittens!
Do you think we can make him go blue screen? I’m still not convinced he’s an actual person.
“4x more likely to commit suicide”
One of your propaganda stats from your self-anointed expert? We have real stats saying men are 4x more likely to commit suicide. That seems okie dokie, yet when a false flag about your precious perversion is presented now it’s a problem?
who said that it was okay? i think suicide rates among men are a terrible problem. I’d also venture to guess they may be even higher among gay men though but I do not know for sure. Also I’d bet suicide rates were still higher among men than women pre-feminism but once again I don’t know for sure. It’s not because women have things better though (necessarily, i actually am in the school of thought that on average in the end patriarchy might hurt men even more than woman) . I don’t really feel like going into it right now but I think it has to do with ideals of “masculinity” involving not being emotional. Anyways though, saying that homosexual and bisexual people have a higher suicide rate doesn’t equal “it’s okay that men commit suicide more often than women”…
“The point of the manboobz site is to butt into everyone else’s business. Maybe you should take your own advice.”
How is posting and commenting on things that buffoons have posted and commented on elsewhere somehow butting into someone elses business? If said buffoons don’t want their posts and comments posted and commented on, they can easily make their blogs private.
“No, women are called slurs on the grounds of their actions, not simply because they’re women.”
Yes, if a woman is uppity enough to exist, she’s a bitch/slut/whore/cunt/dyke/cathoarder.
“If you want to find out if a womans actions or words are misandric, ask an MRA.”
That’s akin to asking the folks on Stormfront about whether something an African American did was moral… Everyting a woman says, does, thinks or feels will be decried as misandry by an MRA.
“An expert? A self-anointed expert told you this? Manboobz is chock full of them. A safe space? Kind of like a propaganda headquarters where you can make up leaflets and such telling people what to think? No one has to accept LGBT as normal or desirable.”
Nobody has to accept the MRA lifestyle as normal or desirable either. Yes, here you and your brothers in misery, making up websites and forums dedicated to how much women suck and how much better they’d be if they were more like the average Golden Retriever. And complaining that nobody takes you seriously and that you don’t get what you want… Hmm.
“No, you ID as bi because you fuck both men and women.”
Zie ID’s any way zie pleases. AIt’s not up to you to tell anyone what they are or what they should be. In fact, I’d like to suggest that you stop doing so for yourself as well, as you do quite a lousy job of it.
“At least we now know what constitutes misogyny. Anything any woman says is misogyny, is misogyny.”
Ah! I see. The difference between feminists and MRA’s! To a feminist, anything a woman says is misogynistic is misogyny. To an MRA, anything woman says is misandry. Got it!
Men’s higher rates of suicide have more to do with men being less likely to seek treatment for depression. That had fuck-all to do with feminism (except where feminism is trying to get rid of “manly” stereotypes that involve not getting help when you need it and erasing that stigma).
“I don’t really feel like going into it right now but I think it has to do with ideals of “masculinity” involving not being emotional.”
Exactly. Or only showing acceptable “male emotions” like anger. And when feminists try to explain that it’s okay that men get help or express their full range of emotions, out come the protests of “STOP FEMINIZING US!!!!11”
I don’t get how they link suicide to male oppression either. Are feminists pushing men off the bridge or tying a noose around their neck? Are feminists the ones who created such rigid gender roles? No they did not. So please men who are suffering from depression or suicidal thoughts, go see a therapist because it could save your life.
@NWO: Um, you do know that not all GLBT are WIMMINZ, right? There are men!
Although silly me, gay, bisexual, and transgender men presumably don’t COUNT in your previous manly man stats.
@Molly Ren:
Ah, it’s you again, the one with the cute boy earrings… 😉
I haven’t said that anywhere, of course there’s nothing deep about bisexuality… grrr!
But is it so far fetched to think, that the view “heterosexuality is the normal, natural state, evident from the complementary design of the male and female body, and every homosexual act is an aberration”, as oppressive as it was, had at least an ‘appealing’ simplicity to it?
Also it’s called sexual diversity for a reason. Diversity = opposite of simplicity.
@CassandraSays:
Yes, but to me this is just natural.
If it’s not just about factual truth, how can anyone argue without referring to subjective feelings (at least implicitly) at some point? I mean, it’s also not rationally explainable why it is a bad idea to break down the Great Pyramid of Giza and build an airport there.
“But is it so far fetched to think, that the view ‘heterosexuality is the normal, natural state, evident from the complementary design of the male and female body, and every homosexual act is an aberration’, as oppressive as it was, had at least an ‘appealing’ simplicity to it?”
Hate crimes: They’re oppressive, yet simple and require absolutely no empathy or critical thinking skills! Commit yours today!
Fuck you, dude. Are you for real?
@Quackers
“I don’t get how they link suicide to male oppression either. Are feminists pushing men off the bridge or tying a noose around their neck? Are feminists the ones who created such rigid gender roles? No they did not. So please men who are suffering from depression or suicidal thoughts, go see a therapist because it could save your life.”
Since men and women are different men are supposed to be masculine. It’s when women poke their collective all-knowing noses into how men should act that the problem arises. Men don’t have a feminine side because they’re men. Men kill themselves because modern society tries to feminize them, which is an impossibility. Blaming the patriarchy as always shifts all blame from women onto men.
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“Although silly me, gay, bisexual, and transgender men presumably don’t COUNT in your previous manly man stats.”
Did you ever think all those suicides were cause by trying to regender men into women? Critical thought and cause and effect isn’t exactly feminist fortay’.
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@LyssatakeaBow
“Also I’d bet suicide rates were still higher among men than women pre-feminism but once again I don’t know for sure. It’s not because women have things better though (necessarily, i actually am in the school of thought that on average in the end patriarchy might hurt men even more than woman) . I don’t really feel like going into it right now but I think it has to do with ideals of “masculinity” involving not being emotional.”
Pre-feminism suicide was practically non-exisitant. Obviously if you cared, feminism would be the first thing you’d want to irradicate. Women have it better in all realms of society. Law, MSM, marriage/divorce, child custody, education, charity, employment, criminal sentencing, and every year the entitlements pile up.Calling any oppression of men by women patriarchy, is simpy shifting the blame from women to men. Masculinity has never been men not being emotional, this is your indoctrination to justify your treatment of men, and a poor attempt at justifying further abuse of men in the name of feminism.
@Shora:
Of course there is absolutely nothing inherently (morally) wrong with sex, it’s possible to have consensual sex without being manipulative and harming anybody.
Originally the question was, why I find sex disgusting. Since this is just a feeling, there’s nothing to prove only to explain or to make it understandable.
I don’t experience my own sexual desire as something nice and benign, if I go for longer time without sex or so, it will just happen that I have sometimes strong (at least for me) sexual desire in the very simple form (sorry to be blunt) of feelings like “Oh you hottie, I just would like to f+ck you.”, and then I just can’t help but ascribe the negative traits I associate with my own sexual desire to other sexual people.
It’s probably only the fact that sex is such an extremely common thing that I don’t feel even worse about it (there are too many nice and decent people around who like sex).
I just wrote that because some of you want to paint me as extremely odd, while many of the views I hold are not uncommon.
@Molly Ren:
What’s that for a kind of answer? Why are you that angry? Why do you have to understand everything the wrong way?
@Molly Ren
Calling someone’s valid opinion of homosexuality/bi/trans being revolting act a hate crime, is feminists intolerance. Do as I say, believe as I believe or it’s a crime. That’s quite a totalitarian Government you support. I completely support a persons right to find the LGBT disgusting, just as you support the right to find opinions like mine disgusting. Your opinion is just as much of a “hate crime” as mine.
NWO seems to think that hating people is a valid opinion, if it’s the right sort of hate.
Hating bi people… good.
Hating gay people good.
Hating people who think being bi, or gay, is ok, good.
Hating people who hate people… Bad.
“I mean, it’s also not rationally explainable why it is a bad idea to break down the Great Pyramid of Giza and build an airport there.”
Yes it is – ultimately, it’s bad for tourism and will cost Egypt to lose lots of money.
The problem with your nattering about subjective feelings is that there’s no reason why your subjective feelings should be any more important than anyone else’s. Your morality resembles that of a small child, which is really quite sad.
Simon, that nice, simple view that “every homosexual act is an aberration” is what causes hate crimes. Or do you think the people who, say, beat up and drive gay kids to suicide are just confused by all this modern stuff?
I’m pretty sure what Molly Ren was actually saying is that people use the same reasoning to excuse hateful opinions as they do to excuse hateful actions, not “Opinions are hate crimes!”
Dracula: His blissfully ignorant “Why do you have to understand *everything* the wrong way?” was priceless, wasn’t it?