MGTOWers, mostly straight and mostly narrow, don’t really spend a lot of time discussing lesbians. Lesbians, after all, are not only women, but women who like other women — you know, like like. But recently one of the regulars on MGTOWforums.com discovered the concept of “lesbian bed death” – the mythological notion that lesbians in long term relationships barely ever have sex – and, well, a very strange conversation ensued. Shade47 started off the discussion with these, er, observations:
Looks like the super hip lesbos forgot the small fact that in lesbian relations no one ends up paying for sex so it doesn’t happen…
The, “we don’t need men not even for sex.” club isn’t a banging scene these days.
I guess this outcome should have been obvious since you can’t put a hole inside of a hole. I keep trying to picture that and it sends me in a logic loop like a computer tasked with calculating infinity. I just can’t grasp how nothing going into nothing can create the best thing since sliced bread. …
Shade47 is so baffled by lesbians that he refuses to believe that they actually exist:
Do you guys think women are really lesbians or is it just another form of “look at me” attention whoring? I mean they don’t have sex, they don’t reproduce, they don’t achieve financial success like the gay male community does. In fact I’m not sure exactly what lesbians are doing in their relationships. I still don’t believe they are real. In order for two people to come together there must be a very specific purpose and attention whoring is shallow even for women. They usually only shack up for babies and money.
Drauger seconded the notion that lesbians are imaginary:
What do you think would happy [if] you put [two] hateful women in a home together? Bliss? Bitches go fucking shit nuts if some man isn’t giving them attention.
Repeat after me: there is no such thing as a Lesbian, only really confused women. Women are by nature whores that will change their whims depending on the whim, depending on what they perceive society rewarding them for, i.e. whores.
However there are such things as gay men, they are men who have made a defining choice.
Goldenfetus added some conspiracy theory to the mix:
Honestly, I think the entire homosexual scene is about attention – for both men and women. I’m not denying that there are men who are attracted to men and women who are attracted to women, but I do believe the entire ‘gay culture’ was intentionally manufactured to further destroy the birthrate, with the reward for participation being attention and the approval of their elite masters.
Avoidwomen, for his part, not only accepted the existence of lesbianism; he also predicted a big lesbian upswing in the future after more and more men Go Their Own Way:
I expect to see a big increase in lesbianism as more and more men avoid women. We know that women are far more social than men and they really hate being alone, even having cats is considered companionship. As for sex, it’s possible one lesbian couple is a dyke with high T(for a woman) so she pressures the more feminine lesbian for sex and the dyke may actually be paying for sex.
Then he returned to his favorite hobbyhorses: sexbots and “virtual reality” girls:
It will be very interesting to see how much sex men have vs. how much sex women have with their virtual reality computer generated men and women in the year 2020. I bet most men get laid everyday while women try it a few times and not bother with sex anymore when she realizes there’s no money in it. Women will use VR men for his virtual money while men will be with virtual women for virtual sex.
The Great One imagined a slightly different result:
I think that instead of a rise in lesbianism we will see a rise in bisexuality among females.
When females can’t find a man, they will settle for another female (or several pets). .. These female on female relationships will fall to the side when an available man offers a long term relationship.
Several pets? Hmm. If this guy is right, the future may bring severe cat shortages, sending the price of cats through the roof!
I’m putting all my money in cat futures right now.
Stay tuned for more on MGTOWers and lesbians. It gets even weirder.
@ NWOslave:
“@darksidecat
“Everything on that list is consistent with the notion that rape is about power.”
If that’s the case all crimes are about power.
Theft is the power to steal.
Murder is the power to kill.
Assault is the power to attack.
Extortion is the power to coerce.”
Well stated. Excellent defintion of any criminal intent.
May I add, a distorted, antisocial sense of power which vainly attempts to compensate for deep seated feelings of inferiority or lack of power.
I said that you are a misogynist, and I said I presume that’s because you are stupid and easily led. If you need me to explain the difference, just ask.
No, actually, I said you are a misogynist, and I presume that’s because you are stupid and easily led.
In fact, here is the exact quote: “Good question. I can’t think of a single reason, dude. And yet you are one. Probably because you’re very stupid and easily led.”
Most misogynists I’ve run across are dumb as lint, and they seem to be open to a belief system that allows them to put all their problems on people who are different from them. (Same for racists and other varieties of haters, for what it’s worth.) This doesn’t mean that all dumb people I’ve met are hateful. I’m not assuming you’re a misogynist — I noticed that you have a tendency to spout misogynistic beliefs.
And I also (concurrently, if it matters) noticed that you are extremely dumb.
I dunno if you ran across this kind of fallacy while taking your Mensa exam, where someone says all roses are flowers, so therefore all flowers are roses? You do understand that that’s what you’re doing here?
And yet the last time this topic came up, I swear you insisted that you are a native English speaker. Am I correct on this, or just remembering another troll who can’t English?
nugganu, I wanted to let you know that I’m in a happy poly relationship. I’m not Muslim, and neither my boyfriend nor the Other Man are Muslim either. (I’m pretty sure Muslims aren’t trying to take over America, though.) Also, I’m bisexual, and I’ve had sex with (I think) 15 people. I have never had an STD, and I’ve never been recommended for electroshock therapy. I’m kind of a socialist, though, or at least a godless liberal. I have never had my testosterone levels checked.
Also, your understanding of evolution is faulty. Imagine it as though an individual gene wants to replicate itself, and you’ll get a better understanding. If an allele caused individuals that possessed it to be less able to mate, causing them to have fewer offspring than individuals with a different allele, the frequency of that allele compared to others would decline, all other things being equal, but this is in no way “nature selecting a hypermasculinized female” in order to end the “family line”. That doesn’t even make sense.
Simon, holy fuck you are boring.
@kirbywrap:
Simon, just to reiterate…
1st of all, this was not really meant as serious, do you understand this, ok? It was some sort of reference to the constant stories we have to accept as true like “All of my 50 friends are…”. 2nd, I didn’t even do the Mensa workout, I just googled and looked up what a good score would look like. It’s all lies, ok? 3rd, I hate Mensa and I think this is the most ridiculous thing ever, and the only person of the famous Mensa members list, that I would miss is Isaac Asimov. 4th, my previous attempt of humor failed, because Bee is too stupid, I wrote “I can even use html tags” and this was obviously not serious (and look how stupid I am, in my previous post, I failed to use nested tags!). 5th, people that tell others about their IQ scores are just ridiculous. While a very high IQ probably proves that you are quite clever, you are light years away from a true genius. Look at Marylin vos Savant, she has the highest IQ score of the world all she does is writing for a magazine where her readers ask her tricky questions.
I’m not at ALL surprised at Rev giving NWO props. Two dim peas in a very dim pod.
I’m also more than a little amused by the idea that Simon thinks that bisexual people are evil whores because their existance might in theory make him feel insecure about his girlfriend’s potential infidelity and/or there’s something very odd about his relationship with his sister. (Seriously, who thinks their sister would happily fuck their girlfriend the moment they were left alone together? Paranoid much?)
Dear Simon – your feelings are your own to deal with. It is not reasonable to expect the universe to arrange itself in such a way that you don’t have to deal with feeling icky occasionally. Do grow up, dear.
Re: All this
AMAZING! This makes me giddily happy, Simon. It’s like watching a little kid being super serious when the adults are laughing after he made a mistake. STOP IT! I MEANT TO DO THAT! THAT’S NOT FUNNY!!!
Oh no, not that! I’m too stupid???? *hangs head in shame* Say, what’s your email address … I’ll send you my Mensa test results. 🙂
(Poor Simon. What do you want to bet his next comment is, “See, Bee offered to send me her Mensa test results, when I already said I think that’s ridiculous”?)
MissPrism: My sister in law made me a lovely crocheted cloche, with a flower. It’s one of the few ‘girly’ things I wear on a regular basis.
Simon, if one person misunderstands you they may be stupid. If many people misunderstand you chances are that you are communicating poorly.
(Or just a bit odd, mentally. I mean really, the sister thing was pretty weird.)
@Shora:
Of course they are… and normally I would say you are right, but the context makes it absolutely clear that this was an insinuation with the intent to bring the message “I think you are a misogynist because I noticed that you are dumb.” across.
But honestly, I don’t care, either way it’s insulting.
So, end of the story.
@Bee:
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I can’t accept that, because you constantly use these sorts of insinuations, on a purely logical layer you are right, but come on, you know exaclty what you are playing here all the time. It’s like when somebody says “There were some things Hitler did right” (yeah, Godwin) and something like “I just meant… Hitler finished school, so he passed the tests there. That’s what he did right.”.
You’re wrong.
@Bee:
Oh, Bee, if you just knew, if you just knew… the pleasure is all mine…
Oh, I can give you one hint Bee, read MissPrism’s post she wrote here at 5:28.
If the pleasure were truly all yours, you wouldn’t have felt it necessary to write that. 😉
That’s right, it was Samuel. Another misogynist who writes like English is his second language. Although in his case, I guess it’s not. Apologies for my confusion.
Yeah, but this makes no sense. What I did was use English words to mean something very specific. In this case, it was me saying “Good question. I can’t think of a single reason, dude. And yet you are one. Probably because you’re very stupid and easily led,” to mean: I can’t think of a single reason why anyone would be a misogynist, and yet you are a misogynist, probably because you’re very stupid and easily led.
If you take that to mean, “I assume you’re a misogynist, because I’ve noticed that you’re stupid, and all stupid people are misogynists,” that’s your fault. That’s not me trying to sneak something past you and then trying to weasel out of it later once I realize that you’re not down with my original idea — it’s me using words to mean something in particular, and you misunderstanding the clear meaning of those words.
But really, this is a pretty boring argument, and it seems like words are difficult for you to understand — which is totally cool, if this is your second (or third or fourth) language, and yet not so cool if you pretend that you know what things mean but don’t and then blame other people for your misunderstanding. So, just my way of saying I dunno how much more patience I have for your vast misunderstanding of what words mean.
Oh no … Ami?
Give me another hint!
3rd, I hate Mensa and I think this is the most ridiculous thing ever, and the only person of the famous Mensa members list, that I would miss is Isaac Asimov.
Isaac Asimov has been dead for some time. And, to bring the thread full-circle, he died of AIDS, thus clearly demonstrating MRAL’s whole “STIs are a morally terrible thing that happens to giant whores” thesis, and in no way demonstrating “STIs are a morally neutral thing that happens to people who at some point come in contact with the fluids of an infected person, as when an elderly writer gets a blood transfusion from someone who was HIV+ before anyone really knew that was a thing.” Clearly! :-p
You know, the funny part is that MRAL is totally my type, except for the hateful raging misogyny and slut-shaming bit. Shy, geeky dude who likes George R. R. Martin? Yes plz.
Sigh… I know. When I went to college and started dating, it was a rude awakening to discover that some cute geeky guys were hideously screwed up about women and were awful to deal with, romantically or otherwise, if you were a person of the lady persuasion. Fortunately, there were awesome cute geeky guys out there too, or I would never have gotten laid.
There’s something amusingly counterproductive about slut-shaming women while moaning about how you can’t get them to sleep with you. Oh well, guess it keeps a guy busy on those long nights.
“Women are such sluts. Why won’t they fuck me, those whores?” has to be one the best examples of Dumbass Logic around.
Polliwog: I never knew that Asimov died of HIV. How horrible for his family, to have to hold that secret for so long. I think he would have been able to do a great deal of good for HIV awareness at the time.
I seemed to have missed a bit.
Was MRAL put on moderation for repeatedly calling Ozy a whore or did he cross the line even further while I was away?
He was put on moderation for listing, in detail, the STDs he believed Ozy had.
Okay, so I didn’t miss anything. Just checking.
Oy.
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Wow, lots of douchebaggery, homophobia, lesbian-phobia (not sure if there’s a word for that), and general stupid-as-fuck shit from the MGTOW crowd. I hate their “holier-than-thou” attitude. I also hate their apparent disdain for cats. Cats are fucking awesome. Old widows and single women aren’t the only one that have and/or like cats. Felinophobia at its worst!
“I do believe the entire ‘gay culture’ was intentionally manufactured to further destroy the birthrate”
We have, what, 7 billion people on this planet? We can’t even *feed* a lot of these people. Who the fuck *cares* if the birthrate drops? If anything, it’ll be a GOOD- no- GREAT thing.
“…lesbian-phobia (not sure if there’s a word for that)…”
Pretty sure “homophobia” applies there as well.