MGTOWers, mostly straight and mostly narrow, don’t really spend a lot of time discussing lesbians. Lesbians, after all, are not only women, but women who like other women — you know, like like. But recently one of the regulars on MGTOWforums.com discovered the concept of “lesbian bed death” – the mythological notion that lesbians in long term relationships barely ever have sex – and, well, a very strange conversation ensued. Shade47 started off the discussion with these, er, observations:
Looks like the super hip lesbos forgot the small fact that in lesbian relations no one ends up paying for sex so it doesn’t happen…
The, “we don’t need men not even for sex.” club isn’t a banging scene these days.
I guess this outcome should have been obvious since you can’t put a hole inside of a hole. I keep trying to picture that and it sends me in a logic loop like a computer tasked with calculating infinity. I just can’t grasp how nothing going into nothing can create the best thing since sliced bread. …
Shade47 is so baffled by lesbians that he refuses to believe that they actually exist:
Do you guys think women are really lesbians or is it just another form of “look at me” attention whoring? I mean they don’t have sex, they don’t reproduce, they don’t achieve financial success like the gay male community does. In fact I’m not sure exactly what lesbians are doing in their relationships. I still don’t believe they are real. In order for two people to come together there must be a very specific purpose and attention whoring is shallow even for women. They usually only shack up for babies and money.
Drauger seconded the notion that lesbians are imaginary:
What do you think would happy [if] you put [two] hateful women in a home together? Bliss? Bitches go fucking shit nuts if some man isn’t giving them attention.
Repeat after me: there is no such thing as a Lesbian, only really confused women. Women are by nature whores that will change their whims depending on the whim, depending on what they perceive society rewarding them for, i.e. whores.
However there are such things as gay men, they are men who have made a defining choice.
Goldenfetus added some conspiracy theory to the mix:
Honestly, I think the entire homosexual scene is about attention – for both men and women. I’m not denying that there are men who are attracted to men and women who are attracted to women, but I do believe the entire ‘gay culture’ was intentionally manufactured to further destroy the birthrate, with the reward for participation being attention and the approval of their elite masters.
Avoidwomen, for his part, not only accepted the existence of lesbianism; he also predicted a big lesbian upswing in the future after more and more men Go Their Own Way:
I expect to see a big increase in lesbianism as more and more men avoid women. We know that women are far more social than men and they really hate being alone, even having cats is considered companionship. As for sex, it’s possible one lesbian couple is a dyke with high T(for a woman) so she pressures the more feminine lesbian for sex and the dyke may actually be paying for sex.
Then he returned to his favorite hobbyhorses: sexbots and “virtual reality” girls:
It will be very interesting to see how much sex men have vs. how much sex women have with their virtual reality computer generated men and women in the year 2020. I bet most men get laid everyday while women try it a few times and not bother with sex anymore when she realizes there’s no money in it. Women will use VR men for his virtual money while men will be with virtual women for virtual sex.
The Great One imagined a slightly different result:
I think that instead of a rise in lesbianism we will see a rise in bisexuality among females.
When females can’t find a man, they will settle for another female (or several pets). .. These female on female relationships will fall to the side when an available man offers a long term relationship.
Several pets? Hmm. If this guy is right, the future may bring severe cat shortages, sending the price of cats through the roof!
I’m putting all my money in cat futures right now.
Stay tuned for more on MGTOWers and lesbians. It gets even weirder.
This is the most revealing quote ever. Like we wouldn’t want our own virtual money! I’m not plugging myself into the goddamn Matrix to beg some VR guy to buy me things when he VR feels like it!
The rest of it pretty much just falls under “do you ever go outdoors and see how normal people relate?” and “have you ever heard of our Earth emotion called ‘love’?”
Or even our Earth emotion called ‘lust’. Seriously, it’s kind of sad hearing these guys talk about how no one actually wants to have sex, it’s just part of the cold transactions that drive our society.
I don’t think cat futures will pan out, David. We already have way more than we can care for:
http://www.torontohumanesociety.com/cats.htm
Now I have a sad. 🙁
Dude, 2020? He knows that’s in about eight years, right? MGTOWs must be the most efficient developers evar.
I would rather make my own money then depend on the whims of some man. I even extend this to the kid part of the equation…if I had a kid, the most I would want from the father is attention for our child, not money.
Looks like the super hip lesbos forgot the small fact that in lesbian relations no one ends up paying for sex so it doesn’t happen…
Translation: You know what? Those grapes are probably sour anyway.
Hmmm. Whilst there is a contingent of young women co-opting the bi-sexual lifestyle in order to cheaply raise their sexual market values with men, most men like the idea of sex with two women, but full on Lesbians (and yes, they do exist) are, in the words of Uncle Elmer, ‘Major woody killers’. To suggest they don’t exist is simply untrue. They are full on lesbians and dykes because either they were born that way, or haven’t a choice because no man would go near their stuff.
Do these guys actually believe the things they say? Sometimes I get the feeling they just say these things because that’s what you do on one of these sites. It’s just a contest to see who can denigrate women the most, or the most creatively.
That’s the logical conclusion if you assume women don’t want sex except for the purpose of taking money from a man. The fact that my bi roommate-slash-ex-gf and her lesbian friend routinely are heard moaning through the bedroom door in spite of the fact they (adorably) try to keep it on the down low so they don’t bother me while I go to sleep or do my own stuff in the appartment must be entirely within my imagination.
Hint to the MRA/MGTOW: If reality doesn’t conform to your theory, time to change theory.
@Holly: The VR money was the thing I laughed at hardest! Like… are women all Sims? Can I use that Sims cheatcode for infinite money on my VR dude? INFINITE MONEY. I can buy so much VR furniture for my VR house now!
But yeah, I suppose that guy has a point; I know I bought my Hitachi Magic Wand only so I could seduce me some sweet Hitachi Magic Dollars out of it. Women’s sex toys are gonna shell out cash any day now, right? That’s the reason we bought them! Annny day now…
Also:
There is no way I’m the only one who read this as women fucking herds of cats, am I?
There’s another way to read it?
Seriously, these guys need to get out more often.
“you can’t put a hole inside of a hole.”
Well, if you forget one second that women are walking vaginas (aka “holes”), you might realize they have, just like men, fingers and mouth. You can do marvels with these little things, and that’s not even counting toys.
These men are deluded.
@bagelsan: they could be fucking with other animals. Bigger, probably.
Well, if you forget one second that women are walking vaginas (aka “holes”), you might realize they have, just like men, fingers and mouth. You can do marvels with these little things, and that’s not even counting toys.
These men are deluded.
Also, presumably, really really terrible in bed, since the idea of “you can do things with other parts of your body besides your dick” doesn’t even occur to them.
I’m a long time lurker who has never felt compelled to write now, and this is absurdity to the point of really being quite funny. I especially liked the person who said that (paraphrased),
“Lesbians don’t exist, but gay men totally do!”
In my experience as a trans/Queer woman navigating homo/transphobic spaces, the opposite usually seems more prevalent: Homophobes acknowledging the existence of lesbians, because, you know, two women getting it on is hot, but two men? EEEEWWWWW!!!! (not indicative of my own feelings on the matter of course.)
You mean “richer” right? What kind of housepet has the most cash? 😀
(I know we ladies aren’t fucking cougars or bears, at least, as they are both more interested in younger men…)
Though I suppose that attitude might also come from a similar gut-level disbelief in lesbians, actually. If you think that lesbian sex is all about kissing in bars in front of straight dudes, and that nothing below the waist ever takes place (certainly not real sex. ‘Cause there are no dicks! I REST MY CASE) then it’s not very “objectionable.” Same reason lesbian sex wasn’t illegal in Victorian times, perhaps; non-lesbians aren’t quite clear that it is indeed sex, and is as potentially raunchy and filthy and morally corrupt and damned-to-hell as any other sex. 😀
*laughs out loud*
That’s the most bizare thing I have heard… ever.
Lesbians don’t exist, because some guys don’t know how would lesbians have sex? Helloooo! The L word was several seasons and there were long, sexy, cinematographic sex scenes between lipstick feminine lesbian characters. I didn’t find these guys THAT dumb, that they can’t figure it out.
On the other hand… sure, virtual money and women not making sex and lesbians just living together for the companionship. WHatever makes them feel special-snowflakes today. 🙂
I prefer this discussion than the previous one, though the misogyny is exactly the same minus the vile phrases.
@BlackBloc:
Probably a high-T-woman? The bis are the worst anyway… Though I can’t deliever any scientific proof my theory is this: straight women are bisexual too, but bi women have this always present bisexuality just “energized”. So there is always a drawback with women, if they like sex you can’t leave them alone with their female friends.
Well, to look on the bright side, it appears that many of these men have actually accepted the existence of gay men and appear to have a degree of respect for them, even if it’s founded on stereotypes and makes me think that most of what they know, they learned from the T.V. Still better than the method of dealing with gay men that traditionally comes wrapped up in the misogynist package.
I’m going to have to break it to two of my roommates that they don’t exist, later tonight. That’ll be harsh. More importantly, it’s going to double my rent and utilities. Is there any way I can get around this, MGTOWs?
It’s all the Red Bull bi women drink. Obvs.
MGTOW should move a bit faster, because they are kind of dragging in their “going”… The stench is still in the room, though they have been moving.
Also, what? I just read the part with the “pressure her for sex”. So… they are saying that women with high testosterone want to make sex… or in short: women want and like to make sex. Thus destroying their whole logic how women make sex just for money and babies. If some women want to make sex for pleasure, this means that the whole generalisation falls trough.
I am confused by the type of “logic” they are using, honestly.
Probably a high-T-woman? The bis are the worst anyway… Though I can’t deliever any scientific proof my theory is this: straight women are bisexual too, but bi women have this always present bisexuality just “energized”. So there is always a drawback with women, if they like sex you can’t leave them alone with their female friends.
I’m not generally a big one for image macros, but this post really needs a
Grr, damn you, broken html tags. That post really needed a http://lolwut.com/layout/lolwut.jpg
This is adorably grade school. “But isn’t sex the thing where I put my pee-pee into someone’s vajayjay?” I was confused about how gay and lesbian couples had sex once. Then I turned 12.
Also, as a straight-leaning bisexual woman (FOR THE MALE ATTENTION YOU GUYS) that book cover is hot. Does anyone know if it’s the kind of smut that is campy and fun, or if it’s the kind that is sexist and homophobic and infuriating? Considering how 50s it looks I’m sadly guessing the latter :(.