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NoMarriages.com Part Two: “American women have personalities similar to the horrible odor they emit.”

Caution: Girls are Stinky

Yesterday we met Zero Tolerance Man, a feisty fellow with lots of strong opinions about the ladies, which he posts in giant letters on his blog NOMARRIAGES.COM. Today I’ve got a few more samples of his timeless wisdom and, as promised, some poetry.

On romance:

American women have this attitude that they deserve a perfect man; a prince on a white horse who will solve all of their problems, look great, and pay for everything.  Instead, most will get the shit sandwich they deserve!

American women are just cum dumpsters; sperm receptacles, and human toilets. They have no other value. A man in the USA MUST remain unmarried and must not impregnate these worthless vile monsters we call:

over the hill, past their sell-by date, ugly wrinkled, worthless piece of shit bitches.

On personal hygiene:

Ever notice how horrible the bathroom smells when an American woman get’s done using it? I have a friend who cleans office buildings and he tells me the women’s bathroom is much filthier than the men’s room. The women piss on the toilet seat, don’t flush, leave used tampons on the floor.American women are truly pigs in most cases. That horrible odor you smell is the toxic residue from their bodies and spirit. …

Most American women stink really badly when they take a dump because of their internal toxicity.

American women have personalities similar to the horrible odor they emit

On the relative values of women and toilet paper:

American Women are the lowest slime on the face of the earth. I wouldn’t use one to wipe my ass with. Even toilet paper has more value than an American women. If any of you feminist bitches are reading this:

“F” YOU, YOU PIECE OF CRAP!!!!

If there are any men here who are inspired enough by these posts to want to take up the “zero tolerance lifestyle, our helpful blogger sets forth a list of rules to guide you on your quest. Two of my favorite:

* The most you should ever pay for is a drink or 2 to get her drunk enough to screw. Do NOT pay for dinners, concerts, travel, or movies. In the USA, you should only be spending time with women if you are screwing them or preparing them with alcohol for sex. Otherwise, you should not be with them at all.

* Do NOT give women any attention in public. Ignore them like they don’t exist in the supermarket, gym, etc. Do not look at them at all. Otherwise, you will be feeding the ego of these attention whores. Don’t give these cunts what they want. No eye contact!!!! Walk past them like the are garbage on the ground. If they speak to you do not answer in any more than 1 word answers. Walk away as quickly as possible.

Let’s end with some excerpts from a little poem ZTM has written for the women of America:

You’re an American woman

You try to make me see

It’s all about you, the hell with me

You’re selfish, you’re spoiled

you put up a front

You’ve got nothing to sell

except your cunt! …

 

Oprah and Phil have made you feel

Like you were all that

Even though you’re big and fat

You bash all the men and then………….

you think you’re a 10

But you belong in a Pig Pen!

 

I won’t spend a dime, no matter how you whine

I won’t give you kids or marry you bitch

You’ll ass rape me in court, you wicked witch.

I kick you to the curb of your rotten loser life

I have the last laugh

’cause I didn’t make you my wife!!!!!!!

I find myself agreeing with one of ZTM’s points: it’s for the better if he doesn’t marry. That’s a program I think we can all agree on.

 

 

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Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
9 years ago

Oh, Meller-toad, your bitter, impotent anger brings a smile to my face and a song to my heart. I think I’ll go hand tat some lace and put off working on client billing until tomorrow.

Bedsores and Loneliness and no more Sweet Old-fashioned Girls!!!! Evah!!!!
Nobinayamu, the ubershrike, venomous to the core!!!!

Snowy
Snowy
9 years ago

Finally, the ‘jig is up’ isn’t it, VenomousHarpy!

OMG I think this is the funniest thing I’ve read all day!

Women had nothing to do with it, they often were in their homes, or very ladylike jobs like receptionist, librarian, secretary, actress, nurse, kindergarden teacher, etc. if they weren’t at home with their children where they belonged!

I imagine him sitting in his rocking chair, shaking his fist in the air, his knees covered with one of those crocheted afghans.

ozymandias42
9 years ago

Nurse?

Holly, want to talk about how ladylike being a nurse is?

Holly Pervocracy
9 years ago

Ozy, it’s very ladylike, as it’s long hours of demanding physical labor often involving human shit. From baby-raising to nursing, that’s the lady role: putting on frills and makeup so you can handle human feces.

Being ladylike means that you look and act pleasant and harmless, not that your life is.

However, not to completely whine here, another part of nursing is doing math and science on the fly when there are literally human lives hanging in the balance. You better hope drug dosage calculations and major trauma response aren’t beyond the abilities of a woman.

And yet another part is being able to seamlessly switch between a “gentle yet confident caregiver” persona and a “Stop. Shut up. You’re going to cooperate with your treatment, do you understand me? Good.” persona.

Holly Pervocracy
9 years ago

I don’t think DKM wants him a wife who’s capable of the full Nursely Voice Of Terror.

Myoo
Myoo
9 years ago

@DKM

Women differ from feminists the way that flowers differ from weeds.

So women are plants’ reproductive systems that vanish when they “give birth” to fruits and feminists are whole plants?
Or by flowers do you mean plants that produce flowers? In that case women and feminists are both the same and women are just arbitrarily favored because they look better?
Of course there is also the fact that many flowers ARE weeds. I’m not sure what to make of that one. Maybe that some women are feminists while being completely indistinguishable from non-feminists?

the way that perfume differs from polecats

This one is particularly bad, because perfume and polecats are only related by their smell, so women are merely a fleeting pleasing sensory sensation, while feminists are independent beings that happen to use an unpleasant odor to defend themselves.

and the way kittens differ from porcupines!

And again, I don’t see your hatred of porcupines. Kittens have claws and teeth and they will use them on pretty much anyone and anything, not to mention they’re predators that have a tendency to play with their prey while it’s still alive, while porcupines are vegetarians and the only way you’ll get hurt by their spikes is if you’re not careful. I don’t see how that fits with the others, actually. Maybe you posted it in the wrong order and you mean that women are the porcupines and kittens are feminists? You should be more careful with how you phrase yourself.

ithiliana
9 years ago

Myoo: BRILLIANT deconstruction of Meller’s miserable metaphors.

*hands you an internet*

Don’t remember talking to you before–but happy to see you!

Myoo
Myoo
9 years ago

@Ithiliana
Thanks, I just can’t stand to see poor metaphors.

Also, I’m rather new at posting here and I don’t post much, so it’s natural you haven’t seen me before.

David K. Meller
David K. Meller
9 years ago

Okay, ladies, or is it feminists, you win on that one! Nursing was originally a MEN’S profession, and women merely took over in the XIX century. Maybe it was a mistake, after all.

Maybe nursing should return to being a men’s profession, like the rest of medicine, and nursing should be deleted from the list. This would handle both my problem, and Holly P’s.

Happy now?

As far as the metaphors go, I was merely trying to indicate “pleasant” vs. “unpleasant”. I probably could do better next time. Most people, for example, would rather pet a kitten ( if she is tractable and playful) than a porcupine, for example. Most people, I suspect even feminists, would rather emit the scent of fine perfume than that of a polecat, although with most modern women, it is probably difficult for them to tell the difference.

By flowers, I meant soft, beautiful and fragrant entities and by weeds I meant unwanted and destructive nuisances. You can take it from there, I suppose.

ithiliana
9 years ago

DKM: Clerking, or clarking, was also a man’s profession — especially when that big scary technology, TYPEWRITERS, was involved. So what makes a profession go from MANLY to CUDDLY for women?

And I am not a lady, I am a feminist.

And an English professor. Bad metaphors are bad — and if you rely on metaphors or analogies to build an argument, you need better ones–not to mention the fact that the absolutely weakest way to make an argument is by analogy, especially if you then fail to supply any evidence OR if the evidence you supply is inaccurate.

For example, you keep talking about women in cuddly nice womanly jobs as opposed to the women working in factories (male factory owners could pay women and children less), women and children working the hard agricultural labor in the fields alongside men (both the African Americans who were enslaved, and the sharecroppers, black and white, after the Civil war; and today, the migrant workers although that’s changing because the asshole white legislators passed such strick anti-immigrant laws that the workers left states like Alabama and Georgia–and they are losing gazillions because no, amazingly enough, white Americans won’t work those crappy jobs at crappy pay).

So: your arguments tend to be vastly overgeneralized, lack any historical context, provide no evidence or evidence that is wrong (as commenters show you and other trolls on a regular basis), and end with badly phrased metaphors.

You’re operating on an F- scale rhetorically, sweetums.

But that’s what happens when emotion and obsession trumps logic, rationality, and fact.

ithiliana
9 years ago

@Juliejexabel: Great video!

And supports my link to images of “polecats”: http://www.google.com/search?q=polecats&hl=en&rlz=1C1ARAB_enUS452US452&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=AnKtTvrwF8TAtgex683ZDg&ved=0CGoQsAQ&biw=1024&bih=499&sei=%20I3KtTriUOImTtwf24vHYD

Many are cute and cuddly: we don’t pet them because they are wild animals.

But a feral kitten (I ran a feral cat TNR program for yearss) will react the same way if a human tries to pet it — not pleasantly, not cuddely, but fighting for its life (as it thinks).

@Myoo: yes, yes, bad metaphors or other figures of speech are painful, especially when used in support of badly over generalized arguments.

kiki
kiki
9 years ago

Just finished reading the whole thread and I’m still laughing at ‘anti-poopulants’.

David K. Meller
David K. Meller
9 years ago

And they wonder why too much education, and the wrong kind of education, is bad for women!

Give me a cute fluffy kitten (NOT a feral, vicious, feminist one), anytime!

David K. Meller
David K. Meller
9 years ago

That porcupine is, I suppose, adorable, but I still think that real puppies are preferable!

Myoo
Myoo
9 years ago

@DKM
The problem, Meller, is that your definition of “pleasant” is very narrow and has only existed in a certain period of time, and even then, was restricted to certain classes.

I grew up in a country where many modern social ideas (like feminism, not being a racist, not being a homophobe), took longer took longer to take hold than in other more developed countries. Plus, I lived in a somewhat isolated part of the country, which lessened this progress even further. And I can tell you that beautiful, soft, giggling women are NOT women’s natural state. Pretty much every women around here was strong, bulky and wouldn’t take shit from anybody. My (sadly departed) grandmother, along with many other older women could, and would kick your ass if they heard you spout off your ignorant ideas. They had no time to be soft, dainty, perfumed little flowers, because there was land to till, crops to water, animals to care for, animals to slaughter, fences to make, clothes to mend, and more.

Feminism, this horrible thing you despise so much, allows women to have high-paying jobs outside their houses, which in turns gives them the buying power to get pretty clothes, perfumes, beauty products and other things which they can use to make themselves look good. The problem (for YOU, that is) is that they use these things to make them look better for THEMSELVES, not you, and how dare these women not lavish all their attention on YOU!

ithiliana
9 years ago

DKM: Nothing to wonder about at all! When my father dumped my mother who worked to support his Ph.D. and ran off with a graduate student, I swore I’d never depend on a man for my livlihood.

And I don’t. Major advanced education, own job, and partnership with another women who has a Ph.D. and HER own job.

And kitties. Lots of kitties.

AHAHAHAHAHAH: your worst nightmare come true!

And none of that, by the way, changes the fact that your metaphors are miserable.

And the quality of your arguments F-

juliejezebel
9 years ago

Yeah, I often wonder what kind of world Meller is referencing. Maybe he’s idealizing the wealthiest aspects of the 50’s? My mother was raised in northern Michigan and her mother and grandmother (and aunts) all raised, milked, and killed cattle, farmed, helped their uncles fix cars for extra cash and were generally tough as nails. This was in the 20’s-40’s. My father’s side had women who lived in the midwest in dugouts in the late 1800’s and were also physically strong women (and men).
These kittens he speaks of, who are they?
Women throughout history have had to be really really physically strong, no nonsense and so forth. Not kittens. Makes no sense.

Dracula
Dracula
9 years ago

Meller’s metaphors for what he wants out of women don’t really make sense. You want someone soft and fluffy who’s also an effective domestic servant? Kittens don’t really fit the bill there. Ever see a kitten do the dishes? If you asked a kitten to cook you a meal, what reaction do you think you’d get? (Given that said kitten understood your language.) Cats, no matter how soft and cuddly they may be, do what they want, when they want, and screw everyone else. Also, they have claws, and fangs, and aren’t shy about using them.

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
9 years ago

If you asked a kitten to cook you a meal, what reaction do you think you’d get?

“After all those half-dead mice I gave you that you threw away? Go fuck yourself.”

David K. Meller
David K. Meller
9 years ago

I’m the first to admit that animals are unsuitable for human female metaphors, but I don’t have anything better at present. There is little doubt that you worthless modern women a.k.a. feminists, being replaced by cyborg (cybernetic organism) lifeforms, once the very difficult problems of self-learning and self-correcting programming, neural-net algorithmic autoprogramming, (simulating human learning and emotional responses, but largely devoid of the hostility, bitterness, and competitiveness characteristic of you dreadful modern women) along with extremely difficult problems in human/robot reproductive biology can be effectively and safely solved. Unfortunately, these technologies are are still the distant future!

“Wifebots” and “cybercuties” will have many of the more desirable features of human females, without the bitterness, male-envy, obstinacy, pushiness and opinionatedness, bad temper, and just plain over-educated, hyperintellectuallized STUPIDITY that feminist modern women display, especially on the internet! The ‘wifebots’ would be able to simulate all of the loving and attentive, considerate and patient responses that a SOFG (Sweet old-fashioned girl) at her best, could bring into a relationship, could access feminine skills in and around the home like the best of the Victorian-era women, along with (hopefully) autoheuristic (self-learning) programs that could perhaps even simulate playfulness, humor, and conversational wit. Even if they couldn’t, they would still be superior to you modern women in their ability to attract and please the male of the species! The softness and cuddliness is largely symbolic, much like the reverse of that Helen Reddy song that sparked “women’s lib” in, I believe, 1972 “I am woman, hear me roar”. Of course, being female, she sung that song in feminine squeaks, not roaring, but the symbolism of course, was there.

Women today are defective in countless ways! I can’t even go into all of them. Yes, some of you can do work that men can do, perhaps almost as well as men could, but who asked you to? There was no shortage of men working outside the home in the ’70’s and ’80s, there was no shortage of men going to college and preparing for professional careers. All you damned feminists did was overcrowd the workplace, create tensions and “hostile workplace” where none existed before; youall clog the courts with divorce and “domestic violence” lawsuits that never would have seen the light of day in better times, you have expanded the definitions of “rape” (so-called) to the absured extent so that every couple practically needs legal counsel (hers and HIS) BEFORE even embarking on a date, much less going to bed together, your flooding the workplace with almost useless and superabundant females driving down male breadwinner wages and raising taxes (to do things like school lunches, afterschool activities,and ‘daycare”) for children orphaned by the feminist revolution, further impoverishing the family, and so on..

As far as buying perfumes, longerie, and and other pretty things, that is one of the things that MEN were paid to do for you, when and if you women would please them! Women don’t need, and shouldn’t have, high-paying men’s positions for that!

As things stand now, you are making life a living hell for normal people, both men and the normal women who love us, and we are on the lookout for something better!

I am not even going into court ordered and government mandated “affirmative action” lunacy and its appliction to male occupations like armed forces, police and fire departments, skilled manual (MANual) trades like welding, carpentry, plumbing, masonry, HVAC, and so on, along with women infesting law, real-estate, business and finance, and for that matter, although here it probably doesn’t matter, being so rotten that it is hopeless anyhow–politics, courts, and regulatory bureaucracy!

Men are not going to be quiet about our dispossession any longer!! Where there are one or two voices of protest today, there wiil be hundreds next year, thousands the years after that, and eventually millions! The collapse and bankruptcy of the current rotten NWO system, combining as it does, the worst traits of both capitalism and socialism, which feminism has such a symbiotic part, can only help the eventual replacement of youall in the end!

Even if I don’t live to see your replacement, or eradication, by cybercuties, wifebots, “ladyborgs” or whatever the post-feminist woman is called. I know that it is coming! Happy obsolescence! Sic Transit Gloria Mundi!

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
9 years ago

along with (hopefully) autoheuristic (self-learning) programs that could perhaps even simulate playfulness, humor, and conversational wit.

Ooh, I’m not so sure you’d want that, DKM. Isn’t being constantly outwitted by other humans enough for you, without subjecting yourself to constant verbal humiliation by AIs as well? (And surely programs that could simulate humor and wit would have to be written — or at least tested — by someone with humor and wit? I’m not really seeing any MRAs bringing that to the table…)

Maybe you should just glue a fleshlight to a Furby and call it a day? 😀

ozymandias42
9 years ago

DKM, you do realize that “manual” comes from the Latin “manus”, meaning “hand”, as in “labor by hand”? It has nothing to do with men. Fun fact: manus is a feminine word.

Avoiding raping someone is pretty simple: just don’t have sex with someone when that person doesn’t want you to have sex with them. This can usually be seen through tones of voice, moans, active participation in the sex, wiggling, saying “yes, yes, fuck me now”, et cetera. If you are very concerned, you can set up a safeword, such as “red”, “aardvark” or the old favorite “safeword’, that will stop the sex immediately if either partner utters it.

The same for avoiding domestic violence. Don’t hit your partner unless your partner wants you to. Done.

My girlfriend is loving, patient, considerate, attentive, skilled at feminine things, playful, witty and funny. She cuddles a lot. She’s also a badass butch polyamorous feminist with short purple hair, a tattoo and a bunch of piercings. And, you know, hyperintellectual, well-educated, opinionated, obstinate, pushy and bad-tempered (at people who deserve it)– because all of those things are not mutually exclusive! 🙂

Myoo
Myoo
9 years ago

Women today are defective in countless ways! I can’t even go into all of them. Yes, some of you can do work that men can do, perhaps almost as well as men could, but who asked you to? There was no shortage of men working outside the home in the ’70′s and ’80s, there was no shortage of men going to college and preparing for professional careers. All you damned feminists did was overcrowd the workplace, create tensions and “hostile workplace” where none existed before

DKM, you could apply that rant to any other group that was unfairly denied access to paying jobs.

Black people today are defective in countless ways! I can’t even go into all of them. Yes, some of you can do work that white men can do, perhaps almost as well as white men could, but who asked you to? There was no shortage of white men working in the ’70′s and ’80s, there was no shortage of white men going to college and preparing for professional careers. All you damned civil liberty groups did was overcrowd the workplace, create tensions and “hostile workplace” where none existed before.”

Foreigners today are defective in countless ways! I can’t even go into all of them. Yes, some of you can do work that American people can do, perhaps almost as well as American people could, but who asked you to? There was no shortage of American people working in the ’70′s and ’80s, there was no shortage of American people going to college and preparing for professional careers. All you damned Immigrants did was overcrowd the workplace, create tensions and “hostile workplace” where none existed before.”

Non-Christians today are defective in countless ways! I can’t even go into all of them. Yes, some of you can do work that Christians can do, perhaps almost as well as Christians could, but who asked you to? There was no shortage of Christians working in the ’70′s and ’80s, there was no shortage of Christians going to college and preparing for professional careers. All you damned non-christians did was overcrowd the workplace, create tensions and “hostile workplace” where none existed before.”

Do you see the problem here?

David K. Meller
David K. Meller
9 years ago

Ozymandias42–30 October 2011 @1:24pm

Rape and domestic violence allegations aren’t often false and they don’t require extensive legal protection, at least for innocent and victimized MEN? Fine, O42–Now tell us all about Goldilocks and the Three Bears, Santa Claus, and the Easter Bunny!

Tell those innoucuous feminist definitions of “rape” and “domestic violence” to the hundreds, if not many thousands of men falsely accused, and even more falsely convicted, of those so-called crimes. Whenever you have a he-says, she-says situation, I don’t have to tell you how all that is needed is a few tears, a bit of torn clothing, and maybe a bruise or a few little cuts, which could come from anywhere, Modern Woman superbitch then morphs into poor innocent Polly Pureheart victim, and then TV and newspapers get into the act, racheting upward in public hostility toward the alleged perpetrator, and the male is legally (toast) months before his so-called “trial” begins, unless, maybe, if he is extremely lucky and well connected, and also a millionaire or a celebrity or something!

Dracula
Dracula
9 years ago

“Wifebots” and “cybercuties” will have many of the more desirable features of human females, without the bitterness, male-envy, obstinacy, pushiness and opinionatedness, bad temper, and just plain over-educated, hyperintellectuallized STUPIDITY that feminist modern women display, especially on the internet!

So women are only not stupid if they lack the capacity to question your idiocy. How’s the weather on Bizarro World, by the way?

Also, as I’ve mentioned before, what makes you think cybernetics will not be accessible to feminists? These technologies aren’t being developed my MRAs, for MRAs.

As things stand now, you are making life a living hell for normal people, both men and the normal women who love us, and we are on the lookout for something better!

You’re not a normal person, Meller. Most humans can cope non-enslaved women just fine.

Men are not going to be quiet about our dispossession any longer!! Where there are one or two voices of protest today, there wiil be hundreds next year, thousands the years after that, and eventually millions!

Either you’re bullshitting, or delusional, or both.

Dracula
Dracula
9 years ago

“…[by] MRAs…”

hellkell
hellkell
9 years ago

Meller, shut the fuck up. We’ve heard your shit before.

You get apoplectic at the thought of women leaving the house. We know, we know. Sucks to be you, old man.

David K. Meller
David K. Meller
9 years ago

Myoo–30 October 2011@ 1;42PM

Yes, Myoo, I suppose this could be extended, but men (and any women who love us) have to fight this war one front at a time! There are other websites, newsletters, and organizations focusing attention on other groups that are dispossessing and impoverishing men and their families generally, and White men, and ours, in particular, but this one involves feminists and Modern Women. Feminists have also damaged families and men in the other groups that you have mentioned, but we can only eat our meal one mouthfull at a time! We have a full plate here with feminists!

Especially now, as bad times engulf us, we have to focus our energies, gird for the coming siege, and await better times! Feminists are the main adversary here, once majority women can join their menfolk as one, then our attention can be focused upon other adversaries!

elgie
elgie
9 years ago

Fun would be sneaking a false rape accusation app into DKM’s
“Cybercutie”

hellkell
hellkell
9 years ago

Ah, OK, so after you come for the feminists, it’s time for the blacks, Jews, foreigners, and gays to get theirs, amirite, old man?

You are a horrible excuse for a human being.

Bee
Bee
9 years ago

Meller:

1. How did you think that response followed at all from what ozy typed?

2. Best estimates put false rape accusations in the range of 8%. You’d have a better chance of being falsely accused of theft or assault.

3.

Modern Woman superbitch then morphs into poor innocent Polly Pureheart victim, and then TV and newspapers get into the act, racheting upward in public hostility toward the alleged perpetrator, and the male is legally (toast) months before his so-called “trial” begins, unless, maybe, if he is extremely lucky and well connected, and also a millionaire or a celebrity or something!

Nice fantasy. It’s like Lifetime Television for delusional old men. Do you ever try to make what you’re saying match up with reality, even a little bit?

hellkell
hellkell
9 years ago

No, Bee, he’s too busy shitting his Depends at the mere thought of a woman having her own mind/wants/needs. It’s like we’re people too!

David K. Meller
David K. Meller
9 years ago

Cybernetic, robotics, and AI will be accessable to feminists, I suppose, but what would they do with it? They already have a supply of tame, egalitarian, male-feminist, supportive, and eager-to-please male(?) lapdogs available,some even on manboobz.com! We men need a transcendent replacement of existing women, because of the feminist defects accompanying too much (of the wrong kind of ) education. The possibility of additional hormonal, chromosomal or other abnormalities in feminists diminishing their femininity, or increasing their masculinity–as conventionally understood–also has to be considered, although I havnen’t heard of studies being done.

Regular men will NEED this, for female companionship, sex, pleasure, domestic serenity, and many other indispensible contributions that real women can and do add to our lives! Feminists? What would they do with robots? Make ideal men? They already have them–look at their supporters here on manbooobz.com!!

Dracula
Dracula
9 years ago

Cybernetic, robotics, and AI will be accessable to feminists, I suppose, but what would they do with it?

Imagine a feminist. I hardly need prompt you to do this, but feel free to make her the most grotesque stereotype your ugly little mind can create. Got an image in your mind? Good.

Now imagine this feminist’s biological functions have been augmented to the point that her strength, agility and intelligence are all enhanced to levels you can’t begin to comprehend. That’s what you’re failing to understand here. If cyborgs become commonplace in the future, as seems fairly likely, it won’t be because we built them to serve us. It will be because we became them, in order to better serve ourselves.

And I know I’m wasting my time saying this, but feminist don’t want lapdogs, they want equals. Feminism is not the equal and opposite of your beliefs, Meller. It’s superior.

Molly Ren
9 years ago

I have to say my favorite part of this thread was when Meller realized being a modern nurse wasn’t just taking people’s temperatures while wearing a nice uniform. “Wait, nursing actually involves *shit*?!” *crosses it off the “Nice Occupations for Nice Women” list.

Actually, now I’m wondering how Meller feels about prostitution (Looking nice for men! Except for the bit where you have to hustle and be a hardass about boundaries!) Or being a midwife (Babies! Blood! Sometimes there’s shit then too!)

If he keeps crossing things off the list because they have “unladylike” aspects, soon only men will be able to have babies and periods. (Eek! So messy! Women who participate are obviously unwomanly!)

Myoo
Myoo
9 years ago

Oh. My. God. In retrospect, I guess I should have seen that answer coming, but seriously? I’m a firm believer that people can be reasoned with, but I don’t know what to say anymore. It’s like arguing with Stalin here. All that matters is his “vision” and those that don’t fit can be carted off to the Gulags.

ithiliana
9 years ago

DKM: Here you go again, mixing up “women” and “feminists” again and being completely ignorant of the history that first, pushed women into working key jobs while men were at war (then pushed them out again in the 50s, your dream state), also ignoring the fact that if many women were not working jobs outside the home while still doing the majority of work inside the home that the ‘middle class’ in the US would have disappeared a lot freaking sooner, not to mention showing your complete ignorance of the fact that until the 1950s in the US MOST women had to work at those crappy low paid jobs because most men could not afford to support a wife who did not bring in money (and hell, when that changed, it changed a lot due to unions which you probably hate).

Fail, Fail, Fail, Fail.

Plus, I can hardly wait to become a cyborg — have been waiting for those nifty implants and other stuff for YEARS, having done the ungirly thing of reading sf.

ithiliana
9 years ago

Amazing how it seems DKM has only TWO modes of argument:

First: I want SOFT cuddly womminz who are kittenz who prr, etc. It’s the old “reduce 51% of human race to a lower species who are there to serve men.”

Then when we overeducated man hating evil feminsts mock that metaphor, he switches to the Prophet of Doom: “just you evil feminist stinky non soft women wait until we manly manz make technological relacements for you,” never having read or thought about the extent to which sentient machines/AI’s etc might just get all uppity and demand their rights, too.

And I’d imagine there would be few things to make an AI go rogue than having to put up with the crap DKM spews on a regular basis.

DKM, can you please come up with something new? Don’t you get tired of KITTY KITTY KITTY and CYBERBOTS POST-FEMININST WIFEDROIDS??????

Actually I’d love a Wifedroid. Having seen what wives did when I was a kid growing up in Idaho, I’ve always wanted one (just didn’t want to be one), but I’d hate doing that to another human being.

Now that we have vinyl tile floors instead of carpet (thank the flood last spring), we’re thinking of getting a Roomba! It’s the first step to WIFEBOT!

ithiliana
9 years ago

@Myoo: Valiant effort, but as you see, DKM cannot comprehend the wrongness when his rants are applied to other marginalized groups (like many MRM he’s racist, homophobic, and probably against all other religions, unless they know oppress women like he likes, and even then I’m not sure, and xenophobic). Only straight white Christian American men AKA DKV and his ilk are victimized.

Scary to see isn’t it?

ithiliana
9 years ago

@Myoo: Yeah, that’s why the “mocking misogynists” is the purpose of the site. although there is lots of good discussion among the rest of us — I tried to reason a few times in my early days, after I stopped lurking, but then repeated evidence by some of our current key trolls showed the absolute impossibility of it, and now when I’m in the right mood, it can be quite fun.

Right now, I’m mocking Mellor to avoid replying to Brandon in any way on his quest to mansplain how really women who are abused are all to blame for it because they could just leave.

One of my graduate students did just that, left abusive husband, got her doctorate while working fulltime teaching English (no child support), and got a job in another town, and her ex-husband murdered her this past summer (in front of their two young children), and so I literally cannot try to reason with Brandon or say anything because I know the crap he’d spew over it all. (They arrested him since he shot her in public–they were both in cars–and he’s going to stand trial for it–and has said publicly that he doesn’t regret shooting her, only doing it in front of the children.)

Wetherby
Wetherby
9 years ago

DKM: Tell those innoucuous feminist definitions of “rape” and “domestic violence” to the hundreds, if not many thousands of men falsely accused, and even more falsely convicted, of those so-called crimes.

I don’t know about the US, but in my native Britain false rape accusers are treated very severely indeed by the courts, specifically for the purpose of deterring others. In fact, because such cases are so rare, they tend to get splurged all over the popular papers too, compounding the humiliation.

Which of course is a major reason why they’re so comparatively rare.

I’m not under the impression that the situation is significantly different in the US.

Myoo
Myoo
9 years ago

@Ithiliana

Yeah, I understand that, I usually get some laughs out of the trolls, but I’m a firm believer in basic human decency, so after a while it just starts to get annoying, especially since, like you said, there’s no variation in what they say, it’s always the same.

KathleenB
KathleenB
9 years ago

Myoo: I keep saying that we need to attract a slightly more creative class of troll here. How would one go about doing that? Craigslist?

Myoo
Myoo
9 years ago

@Ithiliana

Oh, and that story is horrible. I think one of the reasons that contributed to me being a feminist was that my great-aunt was abused by my great-uncle. Every once in a while he would get home drunk and beat her up, and she was the sweetest person ever, so whenever I hear someone say that people who get beat up by their spouses deserve it, it just makes my blood boil.

Myoo
Myoo
9 years ago

@KathleenB

Wanted: Misogynistic troll. Must have experience in debate and wide knowledge base to allow for discussion of wide array of topics. (No Fatties)

KathleenB
KathleenB
9 years ago

Myoo: That might work…

David K> Meller
David K> Meller
9 years ago

Ithiliana-30October 2011@ 3:32pm–

Could it be that “one of your graduate students” was just as obnoxious as the feminists on manboobz. and her husband didn’t have the patience and forebearance that a lot of men have? I don’t condone violence in any form, but his shooting her must have been his response to something really outrageous on her part, don’t you think? Doesn’t this tragic and bloody incident make you (and other feminists) at least THINK how repellent an idea gender equality–especially when enforced by law–really is?

Secondly, when women were mostly in the home, say of it what you will, wages and salaries were sufficient for the most part to support a family on one income. This, of course, would have been even more so if many of the boondoggles of the Eisenhower government, related to the Cold war (such as the Interstate Highway system) were left to the States or private development, and the absurd rivalry with the USSR, an economic basketcase if ever there was one, along with the totally absurd ideas involving NASA and government involvement in outer space (although I suppose that–as long as the USSR WAS an enemy–Ike’s idea of rocket spying from space was a good idea.

At any rate, Werner von Braun’s idea of a Single Stage to Orbit aerospaceplane could have, and should have, been developed, in a competitive, entrepreneurial environment, using private funds for private purposes. Once that happened, we would have been in a position to begin construction of a prototype space station, which, if constructed modularly, could be expanded and refined as needed.The building of such a structure would also have accelerated the development of profitable space manufacturing (employing microgravity, vacuum, and temperature extremes that are commonplace even in low Earth Orbit, but difficult and expensive to do on Earth’s surface.

It is also possible that Ike’s hostility to private enterprise also delayed a resurgence of deep sea exploration because of his restrictions of nuclear power technology to the military, (Aircraft Carriers and Submarines) and its politically connected contractors, a restriction that continued for many years afterward, and may have crippled nuclear energy for peaceful purposes to this day!

At any rate, the prospects for a MUCH higher standard of living for Americans of all classes would have made that issue superfluous for most middle class people by the late ’60s, and I suspect, when space exploration, seabed exploration (and mining, research and development, etc) took off in the ’80s and afterward, the issue of women working outside the home would be a quaint ‘ she’s keeping busy” kind of thing, and it certainly couldn’t disrupt American society the way it had in a largely stagnant and debt ridden country (sound familiar??)

.I also don’t have to mention how much money could have been saved–for American families and taxpayers–if the wars in Korea and Vietnam had never been fought, and also if the sundry Multi-hundredbillion $$$ welfare and ‘publik skoolz’ boondoggles sunk into bureaucratic black holes had never been enacted! There was nothing inevitable still less desirable, about women working outside the home, it was part and parcel of the policy of a corrupt and vicious already largely alien government, intended primarily to dispossess the American man, his family, and his middle class status and culture (what was left of it), in favor of a Corporatist/ Globalist/Financial New World Order which is in the process of coming to worldwide power as I write this!

Bee
Bee
9 years ago

Well crap. What this situation really calls for is Amira. *pulls out troll signal and giant lightbulb*

Bee
Bee
9 years ago

Could it be that “one of your graduate students” was just as … hey, you know what? I just realized I’m a stupid fucking asshole with no sense of decency and the intellect of a green pepper. I might as well shut up now.

Was how that should have gone.

Meller, you’re repulsive. Go fuck off now.