American women: Dumpsters or Septic Tanks?

So…is DKM even part of this elite and wealthy upper echelon who can afford super-cop service?

Last I checked, the current justice system was already doing alright by its wealthier clients.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/roybrown.asp

Molly, you’d just have to move or not be in a situation where you’d need police. Don’t leave the house!

“Start your own police force? Made up of cute baby hippos?”

“This is a stickup! Put the money in the– awwww, who’s the cutest hippo ever? Is it you? Is it you?”

Meller: Bel-Air is just that private paradise you posit. They pay Bel-Air Patrol to monitor. Bel-Air Patrol calls the Beverly Hills PD. The thing is, they both answer to people other than me. The people who pay them (just like the cops who aere paid with taxes).

But they do what the people who pay them want… and what they want is the “riff-raff” (that is people who don’t live there) to be harrassed.

Why? Because they don’t live there.

I wonder how you’d feel if you wandered into a feminist enclave and were subjected the joys of the “private police” you favor. You might find yourself in the reverse of your Gorean fantasies; not to be bent to their will through love and kindness (so that you can enjoy the proper role of a man… cooking and cleaning and farming… slopping the hogs and mucking the stables).

That would be right, correct? They pay the bills, they make the laws.

And since the pay the bills (and you don’t) you can be sure that if the flog you… it will be legal. If someone commits a crime, you can be sure you will be proven guilty… after all the “investigative specialists” know who pays the bills, and it isn’t you.

You are arguing for the golden rule… he who has the gold, makes the rules.

That, or the the guy who controls the guns… that’s the problem with mercenaries… they may decide to just take over… who (after all) will stop them.

What you are describing is much more the barbarous and loathsome system of what we have today, with government (and corporate/mercenary) police forces and–down the road–private armies–imposing their will and robbing the poor to subsidize the rich, than anything that I am advocating. It is those existing and contemporary forces, which have monopolistic authority over a particular geographical area, and are supported by taxes–enforced contributions–rather than as competitive, entrepreneurial, and open ended service providers, which account for all of the abuses, along with others you don’t even mention, that youall cite above.

The existence of competition, the need to seek willing customers, not enslaved taxpayers–what is taxpaying but ceding (the product of) one’s time and labor under compulsion to one who claims the “right” to “govern” you?–and the necessity of local polii and their member businesses to trade with each other would mitigate continuously and very strongly against such misbehavior in a completely private(ized) economy and society. Even polii whose people are committed to bizarre philosophies would (for starters) have to inform nonbelievers to stay away, and this information would have to be quite universal or else they would find themselves avoided by everyone else for reasons of safety, to say nothing of expensive conflict with non feminist (to use your example) security forces.

As an aside, regarding the above, I rather doubt that unless you as a private individual needed PERSONAL security e.g. Bill Gates, H.Ross Perot, Michael Bloomburg, et al, where you had the equivalent of billions of $$$$ of property to protect, it would be to insurance companies, landlords, malls, and other such large-scale participants in polii to pay for such services, safety being one of the services they could then reliably offer their customers, and would-be customers (we are talking about competitive and innovative FREE markets here, not government, remember) and economic small fry–like us–would pay for these services indirecty the same way we pay for air conditioning in a store on a hot summer day, by buying what they have to sell.

If you still have problems understanding, or questions to ask, you may want to seek out the writing of e.g. Murray N. Rothbard (especially his book For a New Liberty), and on a more advanced level, Man Economy and State and Power and Market, Morris and Linda Tannehill (Market for Liberty), along with som the writing of Roderick P. Long, Bruce L. Benson (especially useful with discussing the provisions of justice and arbitration services in a laissez-faire environment) Robert LeFevre-the Nature of Man and His Government, Walter Block (dealing extensively with the hitherto unexplored matter of private roads, airline routes, tunnels, and sidewalks), and Hans Hermann-Hoppe. I guarantee very interesting and stimulating reading, even if you don’t agree with everything they say! I also think that they can answer any objections more effectively and knowledgeably that I can, since they have been involved with free market ‘anarchism’ longer. Two books which are NOT anarchist but they explain perfectly why governments ALWAYS lead to the situation you gruesomely describe in your posts and you mistakenly attribute to private property and the free market are: Bureaucracy by Ludwig von Mises and Why Government Doesn’t Work by Harry Browne, (who was also the Libertarian Party Presidential candidate in 1996 and 2000)

All of those books (and authors) are available for download or purchase at http://www.mises.org

Enjoy!!

Also, anytime you have a large organization you develop bureaucracy. It is just the nature of the organization that requires it.

manboobzers, read–and reread–the above recommended literature before you comment, please. Upon rereading it, enjoy yourselves by talking about it with other students of liberty on blogs and fora like this one. The Mises Institute (for example) has chat rooms and blogs just like this one.

I know how much you are absolutely dying to defend the status quo, despite its manifest defects, but refrain from sounding foolish by at least INFORMING yourself of possible improvements and alternatives!

After you have at least familiarized yourself with the material, I’ll be glad to discuss the matter further with you. Besides, it can be a lot of fun learning something new, especially something that you probably never thought even existed (private property anarchism).

Have fun!

And if by not reading whatever wingnut bullshit you’re recommending, Meller, I can make you shove of faster, then I’m really, really aggressively not reading.

Meller: You calling someone else ignorant? There’s a laugh.

See, I’m intelligent enough to multitask. I can be a feminist AND bake cookies. At the same time!

DKM, you’re basically saying someone who isn’t a millionaire won’t get robbed? I know middle class people who have had their cars and TVs stolen. Someone once tried to charge a bunch of fraudulent stuff to my credit card (they were probably a server who rang up my bill in a restaurant), and I’ve hardly ever been middle class.

C’mon, you need to try harder than that. 😛