Every day, it seems, I learn a little bit more about the oppression of men. Recently, for example, I learned that men who are working customer service jobs are oppressed because they are prohibited from punching their customers, even when these customers are really, really annoying, and possibly even ladies. At least that’s the lesson I took from a recent Facebook posting by MRA and frequent Spearhead contributor Jack Donovan. Here’s Jack:
Men want to carry their own weight, but to do so, they may have to take a job which requires them to choose “flight” over “fight” as part of their regular duties. All customer service oriented jobs, for instance, require men to take abuse from … someone who is angrily issuing insults and challenge cues … and reply submissively.
Even worse is when some of these poor men, like Jack, are natural “alphas” forced to take these beta-ass jobs because for some reason the people in charge of hiring haven’t recognized their awesome alphaness:
It would be interesting to see someone do a study tracking the testosterone levels of “alpha” type men who would not choose a customer service job, but who were forced to take a position where they had to apologize and beg forgiveness from abusive women and “betas” all day.
It’s almost like you have to act as if the customer is always right!
As a man who had blood in his face for *several hours* after having to hold my tongue while I was screamed at by a neurotic old female customer this week, the physical effects were pretty noticeable in the short term. I was murderously furious for hours and then emotionally exhausted and kind of depressed through the next day.
Wouldn’t it have been better for everyone – with the possible exception of the old lady, of course, and the rest of the customers, and maybe the firm employing Mr. Donovan – if he could have chosen “fight” instead of “flight,” and just popped that old bat in the nose? Problem fucking solved!
Let’s just shut down the economy and the judicial system for a day or two while we work out a way that Mr. Donovan can just punch people without any consequences. Because he’s an alpha, damn it, and he really shouldn’t be hemmed in by petty “laws” and “social conventions” and “moral codes” clearly meant for betas and ladies and other losers.
EDITED TO ADD: Donovan has responded to this post in the comments here. He says he’s not an MRA, so I’ve edited out that part. (I did find his Facebook post through a link on the MR subreddit, FWIW.)
I should clarify that Donovan did not talk directly about punching people; he talked about the “fight or flight” instinct.
If Knox was male or wasn’t sexually active in a manner disapproved by Italian conservative society (i.e. considered a slut in the public opinion), she wouldn’t have been accused in the first place. There was no evidence and no motive.
Anthony Zarat – Sir – I’m not sure if you’ll see this, but I want you to know that your post gives me Hope. And – to be sure! – we need more of that in our current degenerate Feminist Matriarchy. Certainly, I plan to raise my Boys with little or no emotional attachment toward the opposite sex as a whole or toward any individual thereof. I do feel it is important to expose them to the Woman in a certain academic and casual context, simply given the realities of our coed society. But believe you me, I will be warning them against the dangers of intimacy with a Woman- false rape accusation, financial ruin, or false domestic violence charges being essentially the only possible long-term results. Most other fathers do not agree with my Philosophy, and quite frankly that fact sickens me, being as it is a quintessential symptom of Feminist Indoctrination. Knowing that there is at least one other Good Dad out there… well, it makes things easier.
Continue living your life, Anthony Zarat, and change for no one. We need more Real Men to stand up to the Feminists. Exposing the Manboobz regulars as the fools they are is, in one small way, progress.
No I don’t believe in your invisible friend.
Yes. That’s why I’m a feminist.
Yep, I’m deadly afraid that some boys might get to be taught that the traditional hatred for women pushed by in popular culture and, apparently, by their dad, is wrong.
What the hell is the matter with you?
The only evidence they had was her DNA on a communal knife that was in the kitchen and used by both roommates. There was zero physical evidence that she was present in Kercher’s bedroom, but plenty of evidence that the real killer was, including his bloody handprint in Kercher’s blood! And yet Guede got 16 years in prison while Knox and her boyfriend got 25 years each.
Dad 2 Boys, you are a Poe.
I keep imagining Dad 2 Boys wearing a monocle and speaking in a snobby accent…
(Also I just realized that his handle means Dad, WITH two boys! Everyone’s been thinking “Boys 2 Men”, like the boy band.)
Blitzgal – Sir – What is a Poe? You are the second to accuse me of being said… thing. If it is an accusation of arguing in bad faith, I assure you that is false. It is simply another symptom of Indoctrination – that is, that you believe my Philosophy laughable.
Think about it – who has built the world? Who has constructed Everything you see before you? The Eiffel Tower? The Great Pyramids? The Grand Canyon? Who will save us from extinction when the Sun goes out in three billion years? Who will stop the Big Crunch in the far-off future, allowing our species to live indefinitely?
MEN.
Men have done and will do everything for this world, this universe and now some Feminist Usurpers think to claim dominance in governance? Hah. HAH! Men invented governance, you Bitches. Indeed, even the claim for Equal Representation is laughable. By pure achievement, women would be less than 1% of all positions of authority. Less than one percent. Think on that.
Good day Sir! I said good day!
Sorry, I can’t stop thinking of that whenever I read Dad 2 Boys comments.
No motive? What more motive do you need than “someone said no to her”? Women are like that.
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Dad 2 Boys sounds like DKM on prozac.
No one MADE the Grand Canyon, you twit. Erosion made the Grand Canyon.
Yeah, okay, he’s totally a Poe. I like the bits about the Grand Canyon and the sun going out, D2B. Very cute.
Okay, now David has already told us Dad 2 Boys is an old friend. Now that we know Dad 2 Boys is a poe, and one of the manboobz regulars, we need to figure out who he really is. My guess is he is really Captain Bathrobe. My reason is that dad2boys and Captain Bathrobe are both funny, and that Captain Bathrobe really is a dad. Any other guesses, anyone?
Another clue that Dad 2 Boys isn’t a real MRA is because he actually knew the sun is going to go out in three billion years, and didn’t take the opportunity to blame feminists for that. To be a better MRA poe, you can’t have that kind of knowledge, and if you do you must make it part of a bizarre conspiracy theory.
Poe/troll or not, this line of thinking cracks me up. I mean, we’ll be dead, so I’m not sure what’s to be gained by getting one’s undies in a knot over this. So what?
Generally because they are children of women, siblings to women, spouses to women and parents to women. Hating their mother, sister, wife and daughter does not appeal to them because they actually care about their family members. I know you want to hate all women because how DARE they ask to be treated as humans but not everyone is as much of a smeghead as you are.
The same people that did the former will do the latter-people. The difference is that we are not going to be wasting half the talent the world produces like our ancestors did. There is a reason that we have had explosions in tech development-it is because unlike the old days when only the rich males had access to learning, all humans have a chance to contribute because they are not being excluded.
Again with the milquetoast “respect one half of the human race” rants. Why is it wrong to respect women?
The misandrist prophet Dr Phil, you guys. I’ve heard some entertaining crazy from the MRM before, but that might be the winner.
Hey, you know that thing I posted about how Warren Farrell is writing a book with John Gray? I wonder if Gray will be called a misandrist prophet too? I mean, granted that his idea of gender relations is stuck in the 50s, but he does advocate being nice to your wife. Given who we’re dealing with anything short of “and these are the cases in which it’s totally OK to beat the shit out of your wife or girlfriend” will probably upset them and have them whining that he’s part of the feminist conspiracy.
I would guess Captain Bathrobe or Ami. David, do you want to tell us?
OK, MRA dudes, I get that delusions of grandeur are all that’s keeping you going, but really, can we tone it down just a teeny bit.
“Who will save us from extinction when the Sun goes out in three billion years? ”
Nobody. If we’re still around when that happens (unlikely the way things are going now), we’re probably going to die. And if, as in the utopia you dream of, half of the human race are totally uninvolved in science and thus unable to help solve the impending problem, we’re even less likely to survive.
The Grand Canyon? Men built the Grand Canyon? Now I know you are a Poe.
Also, the Eiffel Tower: Men did much more trying to prevent it from being built, and once it was built, trying to have it dismantled, than they did building it.
The Great Pyramids: All evidence shows both men and women built them.
The Grand Canyon: If you mean God, then, assuming it’s the God of the Judeo-Christian tradition, he has no gender. And he’s not a person. The fact that gendered languages refer to God as a “he” doesn’t mean he has a penis and personally identifies with men’s “issues”.
Sun will not “go out”. It will become a supernova, which means that the Earth will be engulfed in unbearable heat. Then, after a few more billion years, it will become a black hole. See, I’m a girl, and I know more about astrophysics than you do. And although moving to another planet or stopping a star from exploding is beyond our technological capabilities today, I’d say I’m at least academically closer to resolving the problem than you are, despite the fact that I am a woman. In any event, when the surface temperature on this planet goes up by a few thousand degrees, your penis and your ostensible “leadership” will be pretty useless.
I think it’s exceedingly likely our species will become extinct long before then.
It’s already started in TX. 🙂
They should pray more. It seems to be working: every time they pray, Jesus turns the heat UP.
Dear god, no. Not until I move! I can’t handle more outrageous AC bills.
The message “Don’t hurt other people” only “does you harm” if you already believe that hurting other people is normal. Therefore, I must assume that you think it’s OK for men to abuse women.
Incidentally, for those of you who haven’t met AntZ yet, his darling boys are the same children who are growing up with the knowledge that AntZ yearns for the day when you can replace their mother with a VR simulacrum, like her in everything but free will. If a woman is an independent agent, you see, rather than an extension of AntZ’s self, she might some day leave him. (Incidentally, this is what he’s trying to convey with his “marriage is like driving where men are forced to ride on the roof” metaphor: he believes that the act of taking risk upon oneself in a relationship with another human being is oppressive to men.) Witnessing that is child abuse.
I believe in Galatians 3:28; I don’t think you do.
I have plenty of compassion for someone who believes that being told not to harm others is an injustice; the same sort of compassion I’d have for anyone so deluded.
Amused – Sir – Your narrow-mindedness belies your female genitalia! As we have seen through history, male inventiveness – especially in times of need, re. the Dark Ages and the Holocaust – knows no bounds, no limits. It is honestly quite amazing. Given the vast swath of time we have until the Big Crunch, I can say with confidence that men will find a way to save themselves (perhaps multiversal travel??) with women riding shotgun, as always.
The way this is written leads to some really unfortunate implications…