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“Hit her back, she gets to vote.” More wisdom from Reddit.

What the fuck is wrong with Reddit these days? Today, the denizens of AskReddit are debating the topic: Is it wrong to hit a woman? You can probably figure out what the consensus is. (Hint: Two letter word, starts with N.) What’s especially striking is how, well, gleeful the discussion is. Redditor after Redditor weighs in with the exact same opinion on the subject; others reply with jokey assent; everybody gets upvotes, sometimes hundreds of them. This exchange captures some of the flavor of the, er, “discussion” there:

From AskReddit.

These aren’t people arguing dispassionately that in the interest of equality we should treat hitting women the same as hitting men, and that ideally no one should be hitting anyone at all. These are guys (mostly) using the topic as an excuse to complain about “bitches” and their rights.

Others, meanwhile, decided to use the topic as masturbation fantasy fodder, suggesting  that the original poster had missed his chance for some hot sex with the woman he slapped. As toothsayer put it:

The single slap is disrespectful, shows that you are pissy bitch, and will not get you laid. However, catching up to her as she is walking away, scooping her up, bending her over the knee and repeatedly spanking that ass would have led to some seriously hard core sex.

47 upvotes for that hilarious suggestion.

Perhaps all of the commenters should simply up and move to Topeka, Kansas, where the city council is considering decriminalizing domestic violence in order to save a few bucks. Seriously.

Note: Once again, I have the fine folks (no sarcasm here; they actually are fine) at ShitRedditSays for pointing this discussion out to me. Here’s the SRS discussion of the whole stinky mess.

I pledge: my next post will have nothing to do with Reddit.

 

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Molly Ren
13 years ago

“(To be fair, though, these conditions aren’t supposed to be a positive thing, and the girls get saved by another girl and become part of her harem).”

Wait, that makes it *better*? XD

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
13 years ago

We apparently have a different view of physical violence. The State comes into your house uninvited, hauls you away, locks you up, fingerprints you, takes a mug shot, hands you a court order to appear in court, gives you a criminal record and whatever else goes with the fun process. And all this is done from a mere phonecall. I find that violent. If an individual did the same thing it would be kidnapping and a whole host of other violent charges.

You can also call the cops if the person you are living with has a failure to appear warrant out for them. And all of those things happen. In fact it could be for something simple, like writing a bad check (which can be a criminal offense in my neck of the woods) that you fail to show up for the original arraignment on.

Wisteria
Wisteria
13 years ago

While I don’t condone hitting anyone, male or female, I can understand being pissed off if a drunken woman comes up to you and tears the buttons off your shirt. I’m assuming she must have been trying to rip his shirt open or off, if all the buttons came off. I can’t imagine a sober person just standing there and allowing anyone to rip off one button at a time.

For many people, the cost of replacing a torn shirt is a hardship. I probably would have asked her to pay something to help replace the shirt.

I don’t have a lot of patience for people who do things like this and excuse their jerky behavior because they’re drunk. But I don’t think he had a ‘right’ to slap her.

David K. Meller
David K. Meller
13 years ago

Molly Ren–8 October 2011@12:01pm

I was writing on the assumption that the girl in the story in question was a normal girl, not a lezzie, Molly Ren. Pardon me for the misunderstanding. I forgot that now in the XXI century, anything can happen, and usually does!

If she is a lezzie then a woman’s harem would be the right place for her. Heck, I understand that lezzies make good feminists, and she could then join you in your sisterhood from hell!

PEACE AND FREEDOM!!
David K. Meller

KathleenB
KathleenB
13 years ago

because a male cyborg is the only man who would have one of you.

How many effing times do we have to go through this? I am HAPPILY MARRIED. To a man. For ten years. He got cut open that first year, so unless he’s been getting cybered on the sly, he’s fully human. You are a dumbfuck.

KathleenB
KathleenB
13 years ago

And maybe, DKM, just maybe, you could FUCK RIGHT OFF.

hellkell
hellkell
13 years ago

Meller’s just pissed because we feminists can form happy, loving relationships of all stripes, and he’s so far up his own ass he can’t.

If you weren’t such a raging assbag, Meller, I’m sure you could find the sub fluffy bunny woman of your dreams. The problem, however, is YOU.

Molly Ren
13 years ago

“I was writing on the assumption that the girl in the story in question was a normal girl, not a lezzie, Molly Ren.”

Have we played the “guess how old DKM is” game yet? I originally guessed 60, but that rant where he talked about feminists wearing “trousers” as if it were still edgy pushed it to about 80.

Wisteria
Wisteria
13 years ago

If you’ve ever seen a dog with porcupine quills stuck in its face, you wouldn’t want a porcupine as a pet, although the one in the video is cute. Same thing for skunks. Getting that skunk smell off a dog is nearly impossible.

So I say no to porcupines and skunks as pets. Dogs and cats, yeah!

Hengist
Hengist
13 years ago

That is the only thing on this list that can remotely justify hitting to begin with, dimwit.

Nor did I ever say or imply that all or any of those things justify hitting someone back, but nice try. In your case though, I’d probably make an exception. Hell, any facial rearrangement would probably be an improvement anyway.

You’re right. I also forgot the part in which we have no sense of humor and no lives.

If the shoe fits…

Kollege Messerschmitt
13 years ago

DKM:

See, I care for the well being of women after all. I detest stories where men are playing second fiddle to girls. It should be a man who rescues them, and then gets his reward! I’m not going to look at a show that makes men out to be villains, least of all a Japanese one.

While one could probably think that the premise is about demonizing men as a whole (though there are a few who only act abusive because of peer pressure, and who show that they care about the girls), it’s more along the lines of the Stanford Prison Experiment.
The female students, more or less taking role of the “prisoners” here, don’t have any rights or protection against their “owner”, or if they don’t have one, they have no rights or protection at all, which actively dehumanizes them.
Like the guards in the Experiment, many boys abuse their power and authority, and the ones who don’t want to are under immense peer pressure.

But as always, there are people (like you, I guess) who think this would be a good thing.
I think they are called sociopaths or something.

Seriously, this?

Now if the girl was saved by a MAN and became a part of her rescuer’s harem, there to be well cared for and treated with love and gentleness, THAT would be something that I could live with. Shitsurakuen would be a good story then.

Wanting women to be stripped of their rights IN THE FIRST PLACE is not exactly a sign of love and gentleness, dude. You can’t stab someone in the face, gently nurse them back to health, and then expect them to be grateful.

And, I dunno, I find it easier to believe that they would rather follow a girl than someone who belongs to the people who have systematically dehumanized and abused them.

Molly Ren:

Wait, that makes it *better*? XD

Well, better in the sense that they actually have human rights in their rescuer’s harem, and they joined of their own free will (probably because of those rights,and a bit of Stockholm Syndrome).
So, I guess a more appropriate word would be “less horrible”, though they do seem rather happy :p

Kollege Messerschmitt
13 years ago

DKM:

I was writing on the assumption that the girl in the story in question was a normal girl, not a lezzie, Molly Ren. Pardon me for the misunderstanding.

She is actually bisexual, if that makes any difference to you (:

Rutee Katreya
13 years ago

Oh, DKM, keep up the gaybashing. When the Pink Helicopters come around, you’ll pay~

I’m really only considering looking into this series because pokemon was mentioned.

Kollege Messerschmitt
13 years ago

Wisteria:

If you’ve ever seen a dog with porcupine quills stuck in its face, you wouldn’t want a porcupine as a pet, although the one in the video is cute. Same thing for skunks. Getting that skunk smell off a dog is nearly impossible.

Well, pet skunks usually have the scent gland removed, but I can see the problem with porcupines. But one can always wear a hazmat suit while cuddling with them!

Dracula
Dracula
13 years ago

As a brief aside, Mr. Meller, you do realize that if you live long enough to see cyborgs become commonplace, that just means you’ll have to contend with cyborg feminists, don’t you?

KathleenB
KathleenB
13 years ago

Hengist: Have you missed all the Eddie Izzard clips I’ve posted? Monty Python? They’re fucking hilarious. Feminists have a sense of humor – it’s just not the same as yours.

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
13 years ago

This must be where the MRA fear of women with cats comes from 🙂

“Pussy with Claws” is the closest we can come to Vagina Dentata, I s’pose. ;p

To actually address the topic (for the first time so far on this thread): if someone is ripping off your buttons couldn’t you just gently smack away their hands? I can’t imagine why someone’s first impulse would be to full on slap them instead of just remove them from the buttons in question. Like… did she literally start picking at this guy’s “rage buttons” or something? She’s drunk; just remove her hands, or even try using your words or removing yourself.

It’s like that guy who slapped his young daughter’s face when she put her mouth on his hands — this guy is blatantly reveling in getting to hit someone (particularly a girl/woman someone), rather than just trying to resolve the situation.

Dracula
Dracula
13 years ago

Hadn’t she walked away already when he hit her? Only someone looking for excuses would call that self-defense.

Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
13 years ago

I knew if I waited long enough the real feminist consensus would come out. Rutee thinks that it’s less wrong to hit a man than a woman. With excuses, justifications, and weasel words stripped away, that is her position, and ironically the position of a lot of feminists.

VoiP
VoiP
13 years ago

I’m not going to look at a show that makes men out to be villains, least of all a Japanese one. Japanese, of all people, should know the absurdity of putting females as #1!

…What? What does this have to do with anything?

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
13 years ago

For theft there must be a stolen item and some evidence that you are even a suspect. That evidence must be gathered, processed and so forth. For murder you need a body, court order and whatever evidence you can gather. For other crimes you need due process. For DV, all you need is a phone call. There is no due process for DV.

I know it is REALLY hard for you to get this but here is what happens when you have a criminal act take place-this REALLY happened:

Wife leaves husband.
Wife later comes back to the residence and has a fight with spouse.
Wife calls the cops.
The cops come.
The original issue is resolved with no arrests.
The wife then claims the husband has drugs.
The Officer asks permission to enter residence to search.
The wife grants permission and the husband denies permission.
Officer searches residence, gets some evidence of drug use.
Wife later revokes permission but the officer is able to get a warrant on the first evidence.
Officer arrests husband.
Husband is convicted and sentenced.
Husband appeals his case and the United States Supreme Court reverses conviction.
Case

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Also, you can and do get murder convictions without the body. It is really hard to do but it is possible. In fact, this is what happened here.

Oh and in the case of DV, you still have to have a gathering of evidence, a probable cause for arrest, a charge filed and a trial/plea.

Toysoldier
13 years ago

To actually address the topic (for the first time so far on this thread): if someone is ripping off your buttons couldn’t you just gently smack away their hands?

You could, but most people take a person ripping apart their clothes as a hostile, threatening gesture. A gentle hand-smacking would not mount much of a defense.

I can’t imagine why someone’s first impulse would be to full on slap them instead of just remove them from the buttons in question.

Yes, I am sure that if a drunk man walked up to a woman, ripped her shirt open, and gave the woman a “Oh hello there, oop, guess your shit is ripped now, hahaha, walk off” look you could never imagine why that woman’s first impulse would be to full on slap the man.

darksidecat
13 years ago

@toysoldier, there is an element of sexual assualt to ripping open a woman’s shirt that there isn’t for a man’s due to the way we as a culture sexualize women’s breasts. However, if he has left, it would not be warranted for her to chase him down to hit him. Still, you could imagine the situation with two men (so without the sexual assualt edge angle), it would not be okay to chase down a man to slap him for ripping your shirt either.

Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
13 years ago

Jesus Christ DSC, it’s like, of course it’s not OKAY, but I don’t think we can call his reaction entirely out of the realm of understanding either. It’s a threatening gesture, maybe not physically if it’s a weak ass woman, but it’s still demeaning, startling, and arrogant, and that’s still threatening.

Put it this way- I’m not going to be calling the slapped a “victim”, and neither would I if she was male. You make an aggressive gesture, you need to be prepared for a retaliation.

Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
13 years ago

I also recall, a long time ago, someone recalled a situation where a man touched her breast at a concert, and then she chased after him and kicked him in the balls. Everyone applauded her, naturally. Is this not the same thing, except less severe in the retaliation?

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