Ugh. No jokes this time, just an appalling little exchange on Reddit’s Men’s Rights subreddit. First, a Redditor called xbyiu offers some unsolicited, and pretty pig-ignorant, thoughts about SlutWalks. The basic thesis:
Personally, I think a lot of feminists just don’t care about rape victims. They’d much rather see women as a whole being a victim of the patriarchy and fight against that sort of abstract idea then deal with the reality of rape, which can be fought against with simple tips on how to protect yourself.
Hold on; it gets worse.
To this the r/mr regular EvilPundit replied (in a comment that, last I checked, had gotten three times more upvotes than downvotes):
I’d go even further, and say that many feminists love rape. For them, it’s a perfect way to demonise men in general.
If rape didn’t exist, feminism would invent it. In fact, feminism does invent a lot of rape, with its imaginary statistics such as “1 in 4”, and so on.
In other words, feminists don’t really want to prevent rape. But most rape is imaginary. So feminists are trying to not prevent something that doesn’t much happen anyway. Brilliant.
A note on the “1 in 4” thing: EvilPundit’s insinuation that it’s an “imaginary statistic” is a common MRA talking point. It’s not imaginary, but it’s not quite accurate either. The one-in-four number comes from a study conducted in the 80s by researcher Mary Koss: based on a detailed survey of college women, she found that roughly one in four of her respondent had been a victim of rape or attempted rape since the age of 14. This is often simplified – and distorted – into “one in four female college students are raped while in college.”
In fact, Koss’ survey found that one in eight college women answering her survey, not one in four, had been the victim of completed rape. Other studies have reported numbers not far off from this. The National Violence Against Women Survey, for example, found that roughly one in six of female respondents reported being the victim of rape in their lifetime.
The fact that some people have misrepresented Koss’ study doesn’t mean that her findings are “imaginary.”
I’m not even sure why I’m writing all this, given that as a feminist I presumably don’t care at all about rape.
Pic above taken from here.
EDITED TO ADD: EvilPundit’s comment has gotten some downvotes since I posted this, but it still has more upvotes than downvotes.
Ah… I see that nugganu is the arbiter of all that’s sexy. He’s also been to every slutwalk, seen every woman in attendance and can say, authoritatively, that there is no one, in the entire world who might ever want to rape them.
Because… oh yeah, rapists only rape young women nugganu thinks are attractive.
This Still doesn’t change the point that I made, which is that it is always the least likely women to be raped, is what passes for logic?
Shit, I just figured out how to solve the problem of rape… We get nugganu to tell us what rules he uses to determine rapable women, and then write it up, and pass them out.
Then women would know… nugganu doesn’t think they are sexy enough to deserve a raping, and they are safe.
Or, conversely, if they got a “rape-worthy” rating, they should just stay home and shoot every strange man who shows up.
No more rapes.
Thanks nugganu, you saved the world, now you can go to Disneyland.
It’s what turned me into a full on misogynist, and lead me to abandon white women entirely.
You are welcome to abandon all of the women here (even the non-white ones) any time you like.
It’s also cute how nugganu seems to be assuming that all the women commenting here are white. Sorry to break it to you, buddy, but a lot of women who’re not white also think you’re an idiot.
NUGGANU WHAT IS BEST IN LIFE
TO CRUSH MY ENEMIES BEFORE ME AND LEAVE
OK
SO WE SHALL KNOW YOU BY YOUR TRAIL OF WHITE WOMEN
WHAT ELSE
REVENGE
THE STUFF OF EPICS
SONGS HAVE BEEN MADE ABOUT LESS
THEY WERE PRETTY SHITTY SONGS
BUT IN TODAY’S ECONOMY WE TAKE WHAT WE CAN GET
ANYWAY BACK TO THE REVENGE
A BLOWJOB
TRULY YOU ARE A MAN AMONG SHEEP
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE
Also is humourous because mace is considered a prohibited weapon in some places (Canada, for instance….. U.S. weapons laws are not universal), and so if caught carrying it you might garner yourself a possession of prohibited/restricted weapon and using it might garner you an assault with a weapon charge.
And end up being attacked by a rapist who likes the new hair colour.
VoiP: You win the internet for today, I think.
Also the way the headline is being cut off on the sidebar reads “many feminists love rap”, which amuses me. I am rather fond of Public Enemy actually, but the best part is that I initially clicked on the link assuming that this would be a post full of MRAs complaining about how too many women like rap and that’s a terrible, awful thing. I mean they complain about everything else, right? Why not our taste in music too?
Wow… I have to give him this, he is the first I can recall who admits to his misogyny. I don’t know that he really walks the walk, since it’s only “white women” he’s given up on, but at least he doesn’t deny it.
VoiP:
Would you like your internets with feminist popcorn?
I demand to be taken off moderation.
No, he’s saying that “twisted sex offenders” rape unattractive women. NORMAL men only rape hot women.
Duh.
Oh shit, MRAL’s making demands. Guess we have to listen to him now.
@Pam – or your partner, who you think loves you, might attack you because he loved your blonde hair and thinks you changed it to spite him. It made him angry, and afterward he was really sorry about it.
Srsly, the idea that there’s a single rapist out there that we know about with a certain M.O. and that all women should change so as not to incite that strange rapist…when it’s likely that there’s more than one rapist in a city or even a small town. Even aside from the point that it’s unlikely that a rapist will stop raping just because there are no more blonde women – maybe he’d just target women with blonde streaks or something, if he was really obsessed, or move to a different city and keep raping. And it’s extremely unlikely that rapists all have the same preferences, so you can’t actually counter all of the possible rapist fetishes out there.
Shit, I just figured out how to solve the problem of rape… We get nugganu to tell us what rules he uses to determine rapable women, and then write it up, and pass them out.
Dude, we’ve been trying for months to get NWO to tell us how to dress, and no dice. And all we’ve gotten from the other guy on this thread is to find out what hair color our rapist likes and dye our hair a different color. Maybe Cosmo has tips.
MRAL, you’re on moderation because you keep spewing hateful shit.
Oh wow, you demand! Now Futrelle’s got to listen to you!
Hahahahah no.
MRAL, I’m pretty this ain’t your blog, dude.
But…but…his demands…*sniffle*
Whoa MRAL, that sure is a lot of entitlement right there.
You are aware that no one is stopping you from creating your own blog?
Well, if the demands don’t work, he could always resort to stamping his feet.
You know, thinking Hengist’s thought experiment over, if there was a serial rapist who was known to be targeting blonde women, I’d be tempted to dye my hair blonde in solidarity. Like people who shave their heads for cancer victims.
And pack a weapon.
Demand? OH, NOEZ! Shit’s gotten real, MRAL is DEMANDING!
MARL has his own blog, actually, or did at one point.
That’s a pretty neat idea, shaenon. Although if it ever (in theory) made it to the point of sizable public demonstrations, I’m sure the media would mangle the shit out the real message.
For some reason, I’m imagining him at a Slutwalk or Occupy Wall Street with this on a sign, held high. You’re adorable, MRAL.