Ugh. No jokes this time, just an appalling little exchange on Reddit’s Men’s Rights subreddit. First, a Redditor called xbyiu offers some unsolicited, and pretty pig-ignorant, thoughts about SlutWalks. The basic thesis:
Personally, I think a lot of feminists just don’t care about rape victims. They’d much rather see women as a whole being a victim of the patriarchy and fight against that sort of abstract idea then deal with the reality of rape, which can be fought against with simple tips on how to protect yourself.
Hold on; it gets worse.
To this the r/mr regular EvilPundit replied (in a comment that, last I checked, had gotten three times more upvotes than downvotes):
I’d go even further, and say that many feminists love rape. For them, it’s a perfect way to demonise men in general.
If rape didn’t exist, feminism would invent it. In fact, feminism does invent a lot of rape, with its imaginary statistics such as “1 in 4”, and so on.
In other words, feminists don’t really want to prevent rape. But most rape is imaginary. So feminists are trying to not prevent something that doesn’t much happen anyway. Brilliant.
A note on the “1 in 4” thing: EvilPundit’s insinuation that it’s an “imaginary statistic” is a common MRA talking point. It’s not imaginary, but it’s not quite accurate either. The one-in-four number comes from a study conducted in the 80s by researcher Mary Koss: based on a detailed survey of college women, she found that roughly one in four of her respondent had been a victim of rape or attempted rape since the age of 14. This is often simplified – and distorted – into “one in four female college students are raped while in college.”
In fact, Koss’ survey found that one in eight college women answering her survey, not one in four, had been the victim of completed rape. Other studies have reported numbers not far off from this. The National Violence Against Women Survey, for example, found that roughly one in six of female respondents reported being the victim of rape in their lifetime.
The fact that some people have misrepresented Koss’ study doesn’t mean that her findings are “imaginary.”
I’m not even sure why I’m writing all this, given that as a feminist I presumably don’t care at all about rape.
Pic above taken from here.
EDITED TO ADD: EvilPundit’s comment has gotten some downvotes since I posted this, but it still has more upvotes than downvotes.
Is that the kind with nutritional yeast on it?
a. Citation really fucking needed.
b. WOW. Really? So, guys who have easy access to consensual sex don’t rape? Married men don’t rape? Good-looking men don’t rape? Successful men don’t rape? (Please note that I had a very hard time choosing links, considering the huge number I had to choose from.)
I sense a lack of current knowledge of anything, actually.
It’s what I use to attract a murder of “crowing feminist” from the “throngs of white western women.” It overcomes their “outright hate towards men,” doncha know?
HAHAHAHA! Sick and twisted! OUT OF CONTROL! MONSTERS !!!!111eleventy!
Your poor fee-fees.
How does Dworkin rampage exactly? This ought to be good for a laugh.
That’s not it, he’s just implying that if we don’t put out, he might rape. It’s “subtle.”
“@nugganu: maybe your lack of success was due to the fact that you come across as an ignorant, misogynist dick. But I guess it’s just easier to blame EVERY (white) WOMAN ON EARTH.”
I dunno, I have a trail of scorned white women in my wake, all bitter and angry at me for dumping them. I was always very nice to them, but that was in my mangina days. My mistake was being too nice to them, indeed, I was probably willing to put up with too much from them. I’ve even been physically assaulted by a few over the years. I wouldn’t say that is the demeanour of a misogynist dick, as I stated, I didn’t become a misogynist UNTIL numerous dalliances with white females.
I’ve had 4 long term relationships, shagged women who were otherwise in relationships, you name it. See, I’ve seen what white women get up to. They’re only too willing to cheat on their boyfriends/husbands. I’ve bedded women on the first date on numerous occasions. It’s bloody easy. I’ve been cheated on myself as well. I didn’t break up with her though. Instead, I began cheating on her like crazy. I even got her to give me oral, unknowingly after I had just penetrated another woman shortly before. That was revenge for her cheating. See, women like this made me the misogynist I am today. And I am proud of being a misogynist.
Of course you are proud of being a misogynist, it is all you really have.
cool story bro
cynickal, you are awesome. *goes to get hat; tips hat*
If you hate women so much, why is it so important to tell us that you’ve TOTALLY HAD SEX WITH WOMEN YOU GUIZE?
I’m guessing most of this is imaginary
Bee, that joke was incredibly funny and gross. I curtsey to you.
after all, we all know MRAs make up little stories all the time when they get hysterical.
You guys! Zombie Dworkin is very scary. We should be more sensitive to his feelings, and the fact that being told he shouldn’t rape people is a trigger for him.
This is manboobz, not Penthouse Letters.
Aw, it’s MRA Story Time. This one is so cute, can we keep him?
“I receive hundereds of PM’s a day supporting me, but men are too afraid of FYMYNYSTS to speak up.
TRUTH TO POWER!!!”
But wait. I thought he was saying that he has a problem with white women because they’re such slutty slutty sluts? I don’t know why I’m always surprised by MRM “logic.” Start with “All women suck,” and all conclusions follow from there.
“I even got her to give me oral, unknowingly after I had just penetrated another woman shortly before. That was revenge for her cheating. ”
And you think this is an effective form of revenge because you assume all women find other women’s vaginas horrifying?
Pro tip – You may want to avoid BSDM clubs, swinger events, and orgies. Also threesomes. It would probably be quite upsetting for you to walk around trying to use that particular method of getting REVENGE on women and having them be completely un-traumatized by the idea.
I thought we were all dykes…
It’s soooo hard to keep the story straight, guise.
🙁
It’s what turned me into a full on misogynist, and lead me to abandon white women entirely.
Hooray! …I mean, sorry, women of color.
I love angry the Slutwalks make misogynists. It’s like all the things they hate wrapped up in one tasty package: women who won’t have sex with them, women who complain if you try to rape them, women enjoying themselves in public, women who don’t wilt in shame if you call them sluts or bitches,* women with a sense of humor…
It’s that last one that pisses them off the most, though.
*I see above that MRAL has added “gashes” to his repertoire. MRAL, is there seriously some macro on your keyboard that makes it impossible to just type “women”?
I see what you did there…
EWME’s failed trollins are much more adorkable. You get the sense he’s really trying, bless his little heart.
Oh crud, I am now laughing my head off at the idea that getting a blow job is a) a rare, incredible achievement, and b) a horrible punishment for the person giving the blow job. Somewhere, Dan Savage weeps a single tear.
Everybody stop posting awesome stuff! I have work to do!