Ugh. No jokes this time, just an appalling little exchange on Reddit’s Men’s Rights subreddit. First, a Redditor called xbyiu offers some unsolicited, and pretty pig-ignorant, thoughts about SlutWalks. The basic thesis:
Personally, I think a lot of feminists just don’t care about rape victims. They’d much rather see women as a whole being a victim of the patriarchy and fight against that sort of abstract idea then deal with the reality of rape, which can be fought against with simple tips on how to protect yourself.
Hold on; it gets worse.
To this the r/mr regular EvilPundit replied (in a comment that, last I checked, had gotten three times more upvotes than downvotes):
I’d go even further, and say that many feminists love rape. For them, it’s a perfect way to demonise men in general.
If rape didn’t exist, feminism would invent it. In fact, feminism does invent a lot of rape, with its imaginary statistics such as “1 in 4”, and so on.
In other words, feminists don’t really want to prevent rape. But most rape is imaginary. So feminists are trying to not prevent something that doesn’t much happen anyway. Brilliant.
A note on the “1 in 4” thing: EvilPundit’s insinuation that it’s an “imaginary statistic” is a common MRA talking point. It’s not imaginary, but it’s not quite accurate either. The one-in-four number comes from a study conducted in the 80s by researcher Mary Koss: based on a detailed survey of college women, she found that roughly one in four of her respondent had been a victim of rape or attempted rape since the age of 14. This is often simplified – and distorted – into “one in four female college students are raped while in college.”
In fact, Koss’ survey found that one in eight college women answering her survey, not one in four, had been the victim of completed rape. Other studies have reported numbers not far off from this. The National Violence Against Women Survey, for example, found that roughly one in six of female respondents reported being the victim of rape in their lifetime.
The fact that some people have misrepresented Koss’ study doesn’t mean that her findings are “imaginary.”
I’m not even sure why I’m writing all this, given that as a feminist I presumably don’t care at all about rape.
Pic above taken from here.
EDITED TO ADD: EvilPundit’s comment has gotten some downvotes since I posted this, but it still has more upvotes than downvotes.
Holy shit, a Godwin already?
Come on, nugganu! I know you can do better than that! You should have waited for at least 20 more replies. I am disappoint, son ):
Is there a single MRA who can name a feminist besides Dworkin or Mary Daly? Feminism didn’t stop in 1974, you know. I guess Susan Faludi is too recent for them?
I would gladly fuck all manner of Goths and/or “unfeminine” women. But since nugganu is clearly too stupid to to know that “fuck” and “rape” aren’t synonyms, that’s kind of immaterial.
You’re not super bright, are you?
Amanda Marcotte, who runs false-flag operations against the MRAs from her Fortress of Solitude.
Very few feminists want to talk about rape as a way to demonize all men, nugganu. What I, personally, as a feminist would like to do by talking about rape is expose some of the myths that make it difficult for victims to report rapes and make it easy for rapists to get away with rape. That’s all.
Of course, those myths are the MRM’s bread and butter, so no wonder the reaction is to start saying things like “shaming playbook” and making the Andrea Dworkin Nazi comparisons.
It’s also pretty telling that he thinks that rape is a compliment.
Someone who can’t differentiate between consensual sex and rape has, uh, issues, to put it mildly.
Difficult to come up with one crowing feminist when one is drowning in throngs of white western women, all to varying degrees spouting the same cacophony of outright hate towards men as those two you mention.
Ah, the good old days when ol’ Dworkie was still running her concentration camp for men and doing gruesome medical experiments on them. I remember munching feminist popcorn while viewing an orchestrated and choreographed mass castration.
“It’s also pretty telling that he thinks that rape is a compliment.
Someone who can’t differentiate between consensual sex and rape has, uh, issues, to put it mildly.”
Except that few if any of those women in slutwalk have been raped. If they’re anything like your typical modern white woman, they’ve likely had gallons of semen passed through their legs by the age of 20. What need for rape when white women spread so easily?
Amanda Marcotte, who runs false-flag operations against the MRAs from her Fortress of Solitude.
Don’t forget Valerie Solanas!
They must seriously wish they were necromancers, with all the zombies they keep talking about.
Which confirms that you don’t know the difference.
Tell me, nugganu, do you think prostitutes can be raped?
Oh man, I don’t know what feminist popcorn entails exactly, but damn do I want to find out.
Poor dear, it sounds as though your feelings are quite tender. It must be terrible to be so hysterical all the time.
Okay, now I am curious. Why Josef Mengele? Forget the fact that your argumentum ad nazium is both ludicrous and cliched — that’s a given. I’m just curious why you feel Andrea Dworkin is more like Josef Mengele than, say, Joseph Goebbels or Heinrich Himmler, or (because, if we are opening the door to wanting equality for women being the equivalent of Nazism, why not just take that door off its fucking hinges) the baddest man himself. Did Josef Mengele cry rape all the time? As I vaguely recall, he injected women’s uteruses with iodine, removed vital organs to see how long people would survive, froze prisoners to death, injected acid into people’s eyes and performed other gruesome medical experiments. Which I guess you believe is EXACTLY like telling a man he shouldn’t force himself on a woman.
Oh, I assure you, my feelings are hurt. Very hurt. For 20 years I dated white women, from all walks of life, all of them spoiled, entitled and nasty petulant creatures. It’s what turned me into a full on misogynist, and lead me to abandon white women entirely.
How do you know this? Because you think they’re ugly?
Oh, and as a white woman, fuck right off.
@Dracula: I don’t what kind of popcorn that is either, but I hope it’s bacon flavored.
I am shocked that I failed to notice he was one of those racist boycott western women assholes.
I’m not being sarcastic, for some reason I failed to pick up on the tropes in play.
@nugganu: maybe your lack of success was due to the fact that you come across as an ignorant, misogynist dick. But I guess it’s just easier to blame EVERY (white) WOMAN ON EARTH.
I’m sure white women everywhere are just devastated.
Mengele is to Eugenics what Dworkin is to third wave feminism. Both of them sick and twisted monsters on an out of control rampage.
Both Mengle and Dworkin are dead at this time. Neither of them are rampaging any longer.
Gosh, I may be wrong here, but I suspect that you know fuck-all about third-wave feminism, especially when you keep referring to Slutwalkers as ugly dykes.
It’s astounding how he conveniently ignores how the one constant factor in all those failed relationships was him. But why change if you can just blame all those uppity western bitches for your failings!
Sounds like they trolled you but good. But wait…i though men were supposed to be the stronger gender? How on earth did you let them get to you like that?