Ladies! Better move fast if you want to sink your talons into some hard-working, high-earning beta man-wallet! Men’s Rights Redditor ShinShinGogetsuko is on to you ladies and your devious ways, and he’s taking his video games and going home. By which I mean: he’s GOING GALT!
Men are choosing to reject the culture that is being forced upon them which tells them to be anything but MEN. What they want us to be is slaves, to throw away our souls and toil away while women get to do whatever they want in the name of “female empowerment” and with a court system that will side with them. Equality is the ideal, but it’s not about equality–it’s about control. Men are going Galt.
When society takes a stand against the destruction of men’s character, then men will return to being men. Until then, Xbox 720.
See, I wasn’t kidding about the video games bit.
LINK and SCREENSHOT.
Thanks to tim-buckles on ShitRedditSays for the link (and the screenshot).
Are you trying to imply that the business world isn’t corrupt or coercive?
I’m just going to copy and paste my standard response to the bullshit of taxation = theft.
What do you think a road is, exactly, dimwit? Shit, son, you do realize that government employees get paid and create value as well, right? That services are a value?
Statement assumes facts not in evidence. I wouldn’t be surprised if most ‘inefficiency’ that government is allegedly so bad at is really just not treating employees like shit. The post office follows laws that protect workers by maintaining their health very strictly. I can tell you from experience with both, that corporations do not. The government also provides very generous benefits.to employees, and those are ‘benefits’ that should be the norm.
Spoken as someone who’s never actually worked in a bureaucracy! Some of it is self perpetuating but some of it is in fact inevitable. Quite frankly, you *CAN NOT* have accountability without bureaucracy, when you operate on the scale of nearly any government.
Oh wait, I forgot, this is Brandon. He doesn’t give a fuck about people. He gives a fuck about Brandon.
Incorrect-government workers provide service just as the average business does. The only difference is that government is required to provide those services (which by the way are not free.)
When I go to the Office of the Historian (US Department of State) and want to get papers to write a biography of James G. Blaine, US Secretary of State (1881, 1889-1892), someone has to be there to tell me I am in the wrong spot at the least and at the best, let me know about their contact over XYZ Federal Depository Library who could help me take a look at them.
That is not something that can be done by a recording (which by the way, would have to be made by someone at some point.)
Why there is this obsession with solely reducing the size of government rather then just clean out waste with a program like the Re-inventing Government program of the 1990s (which saved a lot of money and did a pretty good job of reducing redundancies) I have no idea. This is a giant nation in terms of size, people and ideas-we really do need to have more then just the 538 (100 senators, 435 congresscritters which has be unconstitutionally small since it should be about 1,029, Art. 1 Sec. 2, the Prez and Veep, and a Supreme Court jurist) that the US Constitution outlines.
Now I am going to go see if I can find out if someone actually keeps track of the number of documents the US government creates a day.
Because businesses typically don’t take money from people. A business has to provide a service to someone that is valuable to them. Businesses must persuade people to hand over their money to them. They can’t use force like the government.
Um… yeah. That’s why credit card companies take customers to court to, “get their money back” when they’ve already collected as much as 10 time the actual debt.
It’s why a toll-road operator sued the state of California for planning to widen a road (“restraint of trade”).
It’s why Disney sued to see to it that copyrights last longer, and longer; keeping vast swathes of works from entering the public domain.
It’s why Bechtel contracted with the gov’t of Bolivia to provide water to the country, and used the Bolivian Army to prevent people from collecting rainwater, or drinking from wells.
More to the point, you are wrong when you say gov’t doesn’t provide a service. They provide the police, the water mains, the schools, the requirements for doctors, an optometrists and pharmacists, and lawyers (and the tests to see to it they meet them). It inspects your meat, your milk, makes sure the workplace is safe, the spinach not contaminated. It regulates the markets (well, it used to; you can see the effects of a lack of oversight right now).
It determines what makes for a safe building, both in construction, and in things like fire escapes. Gov’t provides the roads the fire trucks move along, and park alongside the gov’t provided hydrants (using thos gov’t provided pipes).
Gov’t provides the Department of Defense, secures the borders, ensures (insomuch as they are allowed; i.e. funded, and staffed) that the products which come across the borders are safe, and that unwanted goods/objects are kept out.
It provides (inasmuch as it is funded) the social safety nets of unemployment insurance, aid to families with children; and other food related assistance. Insomuch as it is being allowed it provides for insurance against grinding poverty in old age.
It regulates the airwaves, as a public resource (insomuch as it is being allowed). It maintains a safely working airspace for travel, and shipping.
It issues patents, and maintains copyrights, so that people are not cheated profit from their inventions.
Those are just some of the goods and services gov’t provides.
False. You ignore the current system of FIRE based economics.
Also false, as has been pointed out, that government provides no services for it’s dollars. Try running a business with no roads, copy right laws, patent laws, property rights laws, the vehicle to enforce those laws, or the ability to standardize currency, transportation, defend consumer rights or maintain a stable environment to conduct business in.
See, economic opportunities in Somalia.
Which haven’t been enforced since 1984. Your economic theories are out of date with modern business practices. You might as well be defending mercantilism.
Businesses require payment up front for most consumer purchases. For B2B practices you are expected to submit payment in 30 days. Payroll taxes are the agreed upon method of payment for government services (much like automatic withdrawal) due to the difficulty for a majority of the people who use and need the governmental services being unable to pay on an annual basis.
See, self employment
False. A majority of net profit are disbursed to stockholders rather than being returned to the business. The top 1% hold 40% of all corporate stock and 60% of all financial securities.
False. 54% of the US budget goes to defense spending. 21% is for Social Security. The remainder, for things like the USDA, EPA, FAA
False. Government employees are more efficient, creating more services for less pay than comparable services in the private sector.
Which does nothing for the workers, customers and is increasingly likely to cause death and other environmental costs.
See, Big Tobacco, Shirt Waist Textile fire, Upper Big Branch mine, etc.
False. See Adam Smith’s An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations. and John Maynard Keynes use of the New Deal and World War 2
Also False the idea that business don’t overspend on projects. See KBR, Haliburton, Duke Nukem Forever, Windows 7, the Olympics, General Motors, Boeing, etc.
To add to what Pecunium already said: I think it has been conclusively demonstrated by now that businesses, especially big ones, can manufacture “needs” and sell things of little to no value thanks to deceptive and predatory advertising practices. Businesses can also take money from people when they essentially bribe the government for contracts and provide dubious services at a net cost to the taxpayer (like, for example, the way that privately-owned prisons were behind Arizona’s anti-immigrant legislation). Businesses can lobby for government policies that sway consumers towards buying products and services that are overpriced, or that they can’t afford (as we have seen with the latest housing boom-and-bust). And, in an age where businesses are better-funded than governments, they can put the screws to people with the state backing them without as much as a semblance of due process (such as when Apple security personnel searched a man’s apartment without a warrant — or even having the official capacity to do so — using uniformed cops as muscle).
When you claim that businesses must persuade people to hand over money to them, you assume that:
(1) all actors in the Free Market have equal bargaining power; and
(2) all actors in the Free Market have unfettered access to complete, truthful and accurate information, and are not subjected to lies, distortions and other deceptive forms of manipulation.
Neither of those assumptions are true, however. The Efficient Market Hypothesis was debunked when, circa 1930?
I’ll add, in the Riverside Calif., and Bechtel cases, the companies were using tax moneys to enforce the contracts. If you drove on the toll-road without paying the toll, the DMV would issue a ticket. It might be automatic, in which case failure to pay was a hold/suspension of your license, or it might be issued by a cop; removing that officer from other duties, and imposing a bench warrant; with the power of the law to compel.
Bechtel wasn’t paying for the soldiers who broke rain-barrels and plugged wells, that was a required enforcement of the contract, and the taxpayer had to pay for having his property destroyed so Bechtel could make a slightly higher profit margin.
Governments don’t provide services?
I’ll be right back after making a cup of tea, from water that comes out of a tap in a form that I can drink without it poisoning me BY MAGIC. The waterpipe elves must really love me to have protected me for so long just out of goodwill.
It seems I stumbled out of the civilized world and into LaLa Land with this blog…and I am LOVIN’ it! Women need men to abuse and rape them in order to feel whole, and, well, womanly? Wow…(sigh!)
Oh, CassandraSays, CassandraSays. Businesses would do it so much better! If a business supplied you with water that wasn’t safe, from lead pipes, people would get sick and start dying, and then people would just stop drinking water! Score one for the consumer! The business would be FORCED to change its practices. Or perhaps you could have 15 different systems of pipes in your house, so you could choose between 15 different vendors, just buy the water you like best. Caveat emptor!!
Next up: how boycotting food and shelter is an effective way to make businesses provide people with clean, healthy necessities at reasonable prices.
(That was sarcasm.)
Brandon, do you think think those anti-monopoly laws are working lately? Allow me to introduce you to the cellular phone industry and a few others if you do.
@Dracula: Absolutely not. Business just like government is susceptible to coercion and deception. Those traits aren’t inherent to government or business but of human nature itself.
@Rutee:
“The first, and largest, is that taxes are ideally used for the benefit of society at large. The maintenance and construction of public works is done by taxation, for instance, and these public works are things you may be familiar with, like schools and libraries. In a representative democracy, this usually has some loss of pure efficiency in the form of pork barrel horse trading, but these typically still employ workers and aren’t all bad.”
Ideally…yes. But we don’t live in an ideal world. Also, government often spends far more than it needs to for supplies for those products because the person overseeing it doesn’t really care as much as they should about those taxpayers funds as you know,…the actual taxpayer.
“Most public works are at minimum, of things that benefit society. Ideally, these are of things you don’t want motivated purely by profit (Which means cost cutting measures wherever possible, and over-reporting of success when piecemeal oriented). Education is one obvious facet (Ironically, in the US, still plagued by cost cutting measures due to insufficient funding by relevant municipalities and states), but others can include environmental cleanup (Which benefits everyone, but costs money so few companies willingly do their own), or law enforcement (Where privatizing can lead to even more dishonest reporting, a lack of public accountability, etc etc), and other fields.”
I want practically everything motivated by profit. Then maybe I will actually get a decent product or reliable service. More often than not my time dealing with the govt is slow, convoluted and a pain in the ass.
Are you really saying that schools don’t already receive enough money? The US spends more money per pupil than practically every other first world nation. The ironic thing is that many of the schools that spend less actually do better than US students.
I do however think that everything within the justice system should be run by the government (sans private attorneys). Courts, law enforcement, prisons etc,,, No private entity should be allowed to strip you of your rights and freedom and send you off to prison.
“In a republic or democracy, you also generally got a vote on it. Unlike theft, which I guarantee you had no or very little choice in, either your elected representatives or yourself got to vote on the matter. This lends fairness to the matter, and optimally means that the money will at least be put to public use, if not necessarily the public use of highest utility.”
How nice of my fellow citizens to say I should pay more in taxes. Democracy is like two wolves and a sheep deciding on what to have for dinner.
“What do you think a road is, exactly, dimwit? Shit, son, you do realize that government employees get paid and create value as well, right? That services are a value?”
Yes I am well aware of that. However, I think it is slightly disingenuous to pick an industry that is basically a government monopoly. If you want to pick something slightly better, you can go with the USPS…which UPS, FedEX and email are basically destroying the USPS. Government services when competing against private companies will most likely lose in the long run.
Never worked in a bureaucracy? I served in the military…the biggest damn bureaucracy around. During peace time, everything is slow and tedious. Even getting simple things done is a chore. That’s why we have “hurry up and wait” because soldiers move faster than the bureaucracy.
@Elizabeth: No, but the federal government could digitize them, put them up on a website (a la wikipedia) and let people find it themselves. They then can archive all those files, reduce the amount of space they are using and have a smaller team manage the website and IT requirements. The initial spending will be more, but over the long term savings could be drastic.
@Pencunium: You agreed to that credit cards contract before you were issued a card. You agreed to pay a certain amount of interest and any fees that accrue. There are also ways to lower that burden: bankruptcy, negotiating terms, etc…
Hell, I pitted credit card against credit card to get a better deal. I called one card and told them that I would pay them first if they gave me a better deal than my other credit card.
The other examples you mentioned is what happens when business and govt get all buddy buddy with each other. This is what happens when capitalism becomes more corporatist which leads to fascism. Just like we have a separation between church and state…we need a separation between business and government.
I didn’t say the government doesn’t provide services…just crappy service. Practically everything the government does can be done better. USDA, FDA, OSHA, etc… They all suck at doing the job they are supposed to be doing.
@Pencunium: You agreed to that credit cards contract before you were issued a card. You agreed to pay a certain amount of interest and any fees that accrue. There are also ways to lower that burden: bankruptcy, negotiating terms, etc…
Yes, the myth of the almighty contract. The Credit Card companies rig the deal. They get to set the rates; you can’t negotiate. You can, sometimes, manage to borrow from peter to pay paul, but if they set the scheme up properly, you are in a hole before you know it. One slipped payment, to anyone, and they reserve the right to rack your rate.
More to the point, the example I gave, the actual amount lent had long since been recovered, but the rates were such that the principal wasn’t being charged off. So for a 1,000 total they had collected 10,000 and wanted more.
The thing is, businesses have the money, and the means, to prevent the non-business from getting a fair shake. The small print is theirs to change, at will. If they change the terms, you have two options, accept them; even if they punish you, or find the means to pay in full.
One has to play by their rules (which are not written with the consumer in mind), or not play at all. Want to rent a car? If you don’t have a credit card it costs you. First you will have to let them freeze a significant chunk of your bank account. They may insist, for a longer rental, on a cashier’s check (which isn’t free).
So you have to have the credit card. If you don’t use it, your issuer may cancel it. So you have to be very careful, if you don’t want to get stuck with insane interest rates. When the new law got passed, restricting the fees for personal credit cards, a lot of people found they had been moved to business accounts.
BofA, among others, used to have a policy of handling debits before credits, and the largest debit first. That meant people, who had guaranteed deposits (things like paychecks, and SS,etc.) saw themselves hit for half a dozen $30 overdraft charges, because they had paid bills. Bills that they had the money to cover.
Way back when I had an account at BofA. ATMs were just becoming standard. They put a fee on using a teller. Then they put a minimum balance requirement on use of the ATM. If, at any point in the billing cycle (it, after all, wasn’t a free checking account; I didn’t have 5,000 I had no use for), one’s balance fell below $250, they charged for the use of the ATM. I was delivering pizza at the time, and I’d stop at the bank on my way home to put my tips in. I’d hit the bank when I needed cash for gas, groceries (this was pre-debit cards).
I got a more than 15.00 charge for ATM deposits, because my cycle was such that paying my bills dropped me just below the limit, just before the month tripped… and they retroactively charged me for every single visit. I was being dinged for the privilege of depositing money for them to lend out at a profit.
But hey, I signed a contract, right? I moved my money to an S&L the next day, and BofA didn’t understand why. The manager, when I closed my account, was asking what he could do to make me stay. I told him change the ATM policy.
But people need to bank, and the rules are that the banks get to make the rules.
The other examples you mentioned is what happens when business and govt get all buddy buddy with each other. This is what happens when capitalism becomes more corporatist which leads to fascism. Just like we have a separation between church and state…we need a separation between business and government.
And you propose to fix this how? By shrinking the ability of the gov’t to perform oversight? You say, “Practically everything the government does can be done better. USDA, FDA, OSHA, etc… They all suck at doing the job they are supposed to be doing.. What’s your solution… you said earlier that private business can/should do what the gov’t does (e.g. the USPS, which is a bastardised “semi-private” enterprise), and will do it better.
So what in your fairy tale land of the Perfect System, is the means by which the, SEC, USDA, FDA, OSHA, FCC, FAA, etc. are able to do the job they need to do to prevent the phenomenon known as, “regulatory capture”.
What’s the solution. You seem to know so very much more than all of us, so regale us with the proper ways to fix the system. Show us where we are wrong. Give actual counter-examples to our examples.
Brandon: You did what, “four and out”? The reason for, “hurry up and wait” is that the Army/Navy (the Air Force has it’s own problems, but the way it’s works is different, largely because of changes in the way air warfare works; not some fundamental difference which can be fixed) are the last of the “labor economies”.
In peacetime you have a lot of troops who have nothing to do, more, in fact, than can be productively put to work.
It also happens they need more bureaucrats than they have; because there is really only so much adding more clerks does in terms of efficiency. When you have a couple of hundred young kids, who like to blow shit up, running around the woods; blowing shit up, a lot of things that need a fair bit of paperwork happen (how many line of duty investigations did you take part in? There is a fair bit of paperwork in one, because that’s what you need to keep some bean counter, ten years later, from saying, “That soldier doesn’t deserve to have the taxpayer pay for that; it wasn’t really service connected).
So yeah, the Army has a lot of paperwork, it’s also performing a logistical nightmare. Ever been responsible for ammunition projection? You have to plan 12 months out, and the only thing you can do once the plan is tendered is is reduce the amount?
Why? Because ammo has to be made, stored, shipped, checked for life-expectancy, allocated at the ASP, controlled for in the field, accounted for as expended, and returned to inventory, and destroyed as it goes out of date.
The alternative? Stockpiles the self-detonate (part of the Ammo-handler’s, and Armorers courses (both of which I’ve done), is indcident reports on mistakes in handling, and storage, as well as what happens when someone is clever and figures out a flaw in the accounting system; I don’t know about you, but the idea of a case of grenades and a couple of dozen AT-4s being sold to [insert group of bad guys here] isn’t something I want to see happening.
There are, all told, about a quarter of a million people the army is keeping track of; and trying to keep the balance of forces in balance, as 20 percent of them engage in a change of station (with all their dependents) every year. As well co-ordinating the training, and various excercises of the Guard and USAR.
Imagine, just think about it, what it takes to send a brigade through the NTC; all the movement orderts, ammo forecasts, medical records, vehicles to move, mail to hold/forward, Red Cross to keep in the loop (because family emergencies happen year round), soldiers to get to schools, PCS to account for, etc.
Now do that 15 times a year. Do the same for the jungle warfare school at Ft. Polk, and the Mountain/Winter Warfare school.
Take care of all the MEPS, IET/AIT, the Split Option training, the various summer camps of ROTC, etc.
The Army has a lot of bureacracy, but it’s not bloated, it’s overworked.
Trivia questions:
1: What is the medical insurance provider with the highest level of customer satisfaction?
2: What’s the medical insurance provider with the lowest overhead?
3: What’s the medical insurance provider which has the best cost controls on non-medical costs.
1: Medicare
2: Medicare
3: Medicare
Wrong again: “When it comes to low-weight shipping for residential customers, consider the efficient, economical FedEx SmartPost service. By utilizing the United States Postal Service® (USPS) for final delivery, FedEx SmartPost reaches every U.S. address, including P.O. boxes and military APO and FPO destinations. You can even use FedEx SmartPost to ship to Alaska, Hawaii and all U.S. territories”
http://www.fedex.com/us/smart-post/index.html
The private shippers push the USPS for the most resource consuming part of their delivery business.
Of course that doesn’t touch on the rediculous burden that has been placed on them regarding their pension plan.
http://www.pionline.com/article/20111005/DAILYREG/111009945/bill-would-let-us-postal-service-use-pension-overpayments
Anything else you’d like to be wrong about?
It’s my general opinion, (I don’t really have time to argue this in detail) that the reason those regulatory agencies you mention aren’t doing their jobs as well they should be is both they and Congress are far too heavily influenced (or corrupted) by the industries they’re supposed to be regulating.
Indeed. In an ideal world, we wouldn’t need building codes, because construction crews wouldn’t cut corners to save money. In an ideal world, we wouldn’t need to regulate food, because companies would safely take care of it and dispose of infected or rotten food instead of selling them elsewhere with weaker regs.
Yeah, having seen the side of that for defense contractors, it’s probably more likely that it’s because the contractors are trying their absolute-fucking-hardest to rip off the government. Shit, some of the bureacracy you so hate is specifically because of that shit.
Yepperoni.
Not Really. It only does that if you use Purchasing Power Parity, which tends to really fuck with an accurate grasp of expenditures (Protip: Not everything is priced like cheap food. If you are not talking about Cheap Food, PPP is not really helping you). If you sort by percentage of GDP, the US spends substantially less. The problem I’m finding is that I’d have to actually math myself if I don’t want to convert by PPP, and I am at least somewhat lazy.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2206rank.html
You’re an idiot. Do you just not fucking remember [i]The Jungle[/i]? Have you ever been to a Meriken Hospital? Someone else raised the rather infamous South American for-profit water companies; were you not paying attention when this happened?
This tired meme. UPS and Fedex ONLY have to take packages that are profitable. The US Postal Service accepts *ALL MAIL PERIOD*. A lot of shit isn’t profitable to move at all; it still has to be done. UPS and Fedex are also the people I was directly referring to about not following regulations. You do realize that their workers will die sooner and have more health problems, because they aren’t permitted by the company to take basic safety precautions (even legally mandated ones), right? The USPS is not anywhere nearly so toxic to its employees; It also provides expensive and *fantastic* benefits as civil servants, which increases costs. Taken as an aggregate, you kind of expect it to lose. That doesn’t mean you (Or anyone else) should want it gone, you twit.
You don’t get it. Profit is not the end all. The Postal Service isn’t SUPPOSED to turn a profit; it’s supposed to do shit that USians need done. Shit, son, what’s next? “THE USAF IS LOSING MONEY COMPARED TO BLACKHAWK!” Um, duh. Also, the USAF causes less damage to our own interests by pissing off the Afghani and Iraqi people, isn’t massively illegal under International law, and isn’t as amazingly slipshod at securing weapons. I’m pretty okay with the USAF being a giant money pit, I just want them to stop shooting brown people. I’m also okay with the USPS being a smaller money pit, because they provide valuable services to the poor that simply aren’t properly replicated elsewhere.
Yeah, if you’re not past 250k I’m not concerned that you’re not paying sufficiently in taxes. And I don’t think you are, from the shit you’ve said. I’m concerned that the people who benefit the most from our government, in absolute profit, pay far too little for those benefits. If you’re not in the top 5%, I honestly don’t want your taxes going up. You’re probably struggling enough as is. You’ll also benefit substantially more, relatively. Well, maybe not you, specifically, because you hate children and despise everyone else. I mean, I hate kids too, but I want the system that benefits me to work for the next generation too.
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If you think the military is the biggest bureacracy around, you’ve got a ways to go, twit.
You’ve never worked in a corporation before? Protip: Shit like that happens.
So you assume that digitizing is something that happens by the same magic elves in the pipes at Cassandra’s house?
1st, the US government’s pre computer era documents are in the billions of pages. The National Archives has been trying to keep up but according to them, 1.4 billion pages are added a year to the total.
2nd, you seem to believe that simply because something is now digitized, it is going to be destroyed. That is like saying “well we copied the US Constitution online, might as well trash the original.” A great deal of those documents are part of our national history and may not be destroyed or altered. Which makes digitizing them 1. a pain in the ass and 2. not a way to reduce the volume or storage requirements. In other words, we could lose a few thousand workers but it is not going to be a total reduction in the work force for this assumption on your part that “oh just stick them online.”
And that is just the National Archives…You have the Library of Congress, the Senate and House Historian offices, the aforementioned State Department Office of Historian, the military’s own historical offices (which includes all branches…)
Some of it is duped so maybe there is a way of avoiding having extra people here and there but not to the extent you so blithely assume it will be doable.
I have worked for massive corporations before…good lord can you say tedious make work?
Brandon: Also, government often spends far more than it needs to for supplies for those products because the person overseeing it doesn’t really care as much as they should about those taxpayers funds as you know,…the actual taxpayer.
So wait, you think the gov’t employees don’t pay taxes? Or is that getting a gov’t paycheck suddenly makes one not care about the work one does?
I look at the pay scale for a CEO, and I wonder how much s/he cares about the product being sold, as opposed to what can be done to manipulate the stock price to get more out of the people who invested in the company when they exercise their stock options, buy a new jet (on the company dime, that is coming out of stockholder dividends, and employee raises/benefits, and infrastructure, and think that it’s great they are so much more concerned about spending their budget wisely, because they have to answer to the stockholders.
And I look at the ways in which they remove money from my pocket, by moving it offshore, so that it’s not available to for salaries to employees, or to improve the production equipment, and it’s exempted from taxes (which the go v’t employee isn’t) and I am so convinced when you say that private business gives me more bang for the buck than the Gov’t.
PFKAE: Don’t forget that digitizing isn’t a, “once and done” job. Things which were converted to 8″ floppies need to be moved to 3.25″ floppies, need to be moved to CDs, need to be moved to something else.
Someone also has to check for decay. MIT and CalTech have huge projects in recovering data before it decays.
So ‘d guess that even if it were all digitized (and everyone knew how to work the search engines) the people who are presently face to face librarians would become archivists, and the budget would be the same.
That, or the digital copies would degrade until they were useless, and we’d better hope teh paper was well stored.
Yep, simply sticking them online is not going to solve the problem because that stuff has to be stored in databanks somewhere and creating redundancy so if the first databanks are destroyed by accident, operations run smoothly.
At least we have all those old mines in PA to use.
Good lord, I come home and we’re talking about my day job.