Well, here’s a new twist on the whole “women love assholes” thing. According to the blogger known as Vox Day – a sort of right-wing/PUA hybrid – the best way for a fella to capture the attention of a comely lass is to rape and murder another comely lass. Yep. He seems to have confused “Game” — that is, pick-up artist trickery — with The Most Dangerous Game. Oh, Vox stops short of recommending that his readers actually go out and murder women, but he argues this women-love-killers argument in all seriousness:
I don’t believe I could recommend this as a strategy for most men, but it is surely educational to learn that raping and killing a woman is demonstrably more attractive to women than behaving like a gentleman. And women, before all the inevitable snowflaking commences, please note that there is absolutely nothing to argue about here. It is an established empirical fact.
His empirical “proof” of this assertion? The fact that some Japanese women have set up online fan clubs for Tatsuya Ichihashi, an accused murderer.
From this one data point, Vox seems to have made a somewhat hasty generalization based on the notion that all women are the same person – that is, if one woman thinks or does something, all women think or do that same thing.
Yes, there are women — and men — who find themselves attracted to vile human beings. Some women idolize murderers. Some men think Ann Coulter is hot. That doesn’t mean that all women idolize murderers or that all men want to get it on with Ms. Coulter. It just means that some people have really, really, really appalling taste.
But let’s just assume for a moment that Vox’s basic premise is true: all women love violent psycopaths,. If you’ want to get with the ladies, but aren’t so hard up for a date that you’re actually willing to resort to homicide, is there some other way you convey what a violent psychopath you are to the ladies of the world? Yep, says Vox:
[I]f you are being introduced to a woman you find attractive, she will be more attracted to you if you slap her in the face without warning and walk away without explanation than if you smile and tell her that you are very pleased to meet her. Now this, being a mere hypothesis, can be argued. And tested, if you’re feeling especially scientific this weekend.
I really hope none of his readers take him up on this.
Is Vox being altogether serious about this? Yes and no. About the idea that women love killers? Absolutely serious. About actually assaulting women? He’s a bit more cagey. On his blog Alpha Game, Vox elaborates:
Women find it sexier for you to rape and kill a woman than putting them on pedestals and being a nice guy. I’m not saying that you should rape and kill anyone, but I would recommend, at the very least, dropping the nice guy routine and pushing over the pedestals.
Women have plenty of positive attributes. But they’re not angels, and when it comes to what sexually attracts them, even the nice, well-bred ones are more insanely twisted, from the male perspective, than the average serial killer.
So apparently the only truly happy couples in the world are those in which both partners think like serial killers.
What a romantic!
Although it is kind of funny that you somehow managed to interpret the fact that I’m a journalist as a statement that I’m a totally hotshot journalist of the kind who’s a household name. I don’t actually think I’d like the household name part very much if it was true (it isn’t), but I guess the money would be nice.
“I’d settle for him restraining his urge to hurl random insults at women online, personally. ”
I give as good as I get, and I make no apologies for that. I challenge you, though, to find one instance where I started the insults, or attacked someone unprovoked.
Is that a joke? Every thread I’ve seen you in so far you’ve indulged in some sort of name-calling, and you’re usually the one starting it.
Unless of course you intended the “I bet you’re one of those man-hating academics!” stuff above as a compliment, which would be peculiar from someone with your attitude towards women.
Don’t flatter yourself love, you’re not my type and a bit too old anyway (5-year difference is where I draw the line). This was mostly a response to your “learn to internet” challenge. No stalking involved, just freely available info.
Yeah, the bit about “getting paid to interview rockstars” might have had something to do with that. 😉
Nono, obviously namecalling is bad when it’s done TO hengist. Using ugly stereotypes, obsolete and disproven mythos and flat-out lies to insult and hurt doesn’t count when used against others, only Hengist, because his weiner is the center of the universe and Galileo was wrong all along. Duh.
Really? Examples please. Especially considering that you go back a bit, my very first posts here were about you people being a little to harsh with one of the “trolls”, with Rutee and a few others responding by calling me an idiot and a concern troll. Once again, show me one place where I initiated the insult match.
It’s almost impossible to express how relieved I am not to be Hengist’s type. Who knew that ageing had such unexpected fringe benefits? Maybe I should start telling people that I’m 50.
Hrm… I’m not sure which troll would win in a creeper fest right now. DKM’s got his creepy misspellings and cap locks cruise control laughing. But right now, Hengist, you seem to be trying so hard for it.
“Nono, obviously namecalling is bad when it’s done TO hengist. Using ugly stereotypes, obsolete and disproven mythos and flat-out lies to insult and hurt doesn’t count when used against others, only Hengist, because his weiner is the center of the universe and Galileo was wrong all along. Duh.”
Wait, the sun revolves my dick? That has got to be a nasty sunburn.
Also, Hengist, I will reiterate what CassandraSaid earlier: Lern 2 interwebz. Demanding dox is very, very unacceptable and creepy.
Sorry, Hengist, you’re not interesting enough for me to dig back through old posts from before I started reading this blog to find your initial comments.
@ Flib – Hengist is definitely creepier. DKM is more like the batty elderly relative who you have to remember to keep the sherry away from at your cousin’s wedding.
@red_locker – Factor eleventy billion sunblock?
Also I think Hengist is still mad at me for not bursting into tears earlier when he told me I wasn’t motherly enough. Though it seems like I may be old enough to be his mother, in which case…hmm, I’m starting to see my Dad’s point about how I should have had kids in order to have my well brought up ones balance out the awful behavior of other people’s children.
@CassandraSays: Oh, indeed.
“Also I think Hengist is still mad at me for not bursting into tears earlier when he told me I wasn’t motherly enough. Though it seems like I may be old enough to be his mother, in which case…hmm, I’m starting to see my Dad’s point about how I should have had kids in order to have my well brought up ones balance out the awful behavior of other people’s children.”
That, or he (probably) has a thing for MILFs.
But if that’s the case…Hengist, dude, Google. It’s your friend.
No, Hengist needs to be banned from Google until he learns how to use it for non-creepy purposes.
(Looking for porn would be fine, btw., it’s the other stuff that’s creepy.)
Hengist.
Cassandra’s not gonna dig back, but I’ve got nothing better to do this morning, so why not?
In this thread here is where your snark really starts to come out. Yes, the paint by numbers and choose your own adventures comments were mildly snarky, but each time you escalated with more snark, derision, and all in all rudeness.
here is where you became outright insulting and everyone decided they were done with you.
In Hit her back: Things were pretty tame. Rutee called you a dimwit, you said you’d rearrange her face, everyone involved put the rulers away and zipped back up. DKM was positively disgusting in that thread, though.
In Many Feminists Love Rape You started with…. Oh wait, I didn’t even get there because I’m stuck on the fact that you just used to key and lock metaphor to justify slut shaming. I’m pretty sure you earned all the vitriol you got on that thread for that thread alone, but we’ll go back and check:
Yup, you started by calling someone stupid and then continued with insisting that women need to manage their behavior to avoid rape, and also if a women doesn’t dye her hair to a color a rapist doesn’t like, and gets raped, she’s responsible. Classy.
Oh, and this is a good one! In Feminists Don’t Think Of Men As Human, you go on about how Schrodinger’s rapist is misandric and women who worry about rape are really, well, overreacting paranoid harpies. Someone was a little snarky in response to victem blaming and you responded with “See! Feminists are all nasty bitches!” but the real treat is when you start being a little shit to Precunium here, And yes, you WERE the one who started in on personal attacks first.
In Baby Denial you start with being snotty and dismissive of the real work it takes to be a stay-at-home parent. When someone called you a “nitwit” (shock! outrage! how dare they!) You slapped a big shit-eating grin on your face and said “See! I knew that if I would act like an outrageous douchbag they would resort to personal attacks! Ten bucks for me! Feminism sucks! High fives!”
And I’m done with this now. I think it’s long enough.
So the pattern; You, in some way, act like a little shit. Someone snaps and calls you a dimwit, or nitwit, or something. You get all “gotcha!” and go on about how feminists are all snarky bitches snark snerk snark snark, and then you start in on the real nasty personal attacks, and when someone calls you out on it, you look at them and say “You started it!”
Basically, you act like a five year old.
Ugh, I just wrote a long-ass comment in response to hengist’s challenge, and it’s in moderation 🙁
Did it have a lot of links? If so, that might be why.
Oh yea, I liked the fuck out of it. He wanted proof of him being an asshat and I….. had a lot of material to work with 😛
Liked=linked. Jeebus
If Developers weren’t a non-theist I’d suggest he convert to Mormonism, which is a proselytizing religion with a structure explicitly dedicated to marrying off its members (the Singles Ward). True, he’d have to wear magic underwear and go to church 3-4 nights a week, but it’s an excellent place to meet women who are a) socialized to be submissive, b) interested in traditional marriage and c) really eager to get married as early as possible.
Also, anecdotally, all the Mormon women I’ve met have been really good-looking.
And Hengist, you sure went sour fast, didn’t you? I seem to recall you showing up here as a sort of “reasonable” MRA before you got all nasty and self-absorbed.
But I’m sure it’s our fault for not being nice enough to you, right?
The problem with MRAs asking for dating tips is that what they really want are:
1) Guaranteed tips. Ideas that still carry a chance of the woman saying “no thanks, not interested” are not useful, because dating tips are supposed to be operating instructions for the Woman Machine, not things that vary from person to person and are still subject to free will.
2) Gimmick tips. This is why PUAs wear silly hats and why the “slapping women to pick them up” post got anyone taking it seriously at all. Tips like “act honestly and naturally” and “be genuinely interested in her” sound excessively general and mundane to someone who’s expecting magical secrets.
So no, I don’t have any dating tips. But that doesn’t mean I can’t look at the OP here and go “I can’t tell you how to get dates, but not that.“
Hengist, why don’t you tell us your real name?
Not as a quid pro quo or whatever–I wouldn’t expect anyone here to “trade” their name for yours–but since you seem to think that’s a reasonable request, why are you still going by “Hengist” instead of “Bob Smith” or “Eoghan Jones?”
Hengist: If no one here is getting under your skin, why the outbursts? Why the accusations that we don’t have lives (really… we may post a lot, but we do other things too. I’m a photography writer, and I teach cooking. I’m retired from the Army. I have time, this is how I choose to spend some of it, because it pleases me). You think you are insulting me, at one level you are; those are things you think insulting (and really, the “Mr. Money”? You can do better than that. If you knew why I use that nom de net, you’d be in a better position to try using it as a means of mockery, but that would require 1: a more classical education, and 2: actual insights about me, neither of which you seem to have).
On the more important level, you aren’t. Words have power, but your understanding of how to us them is a bit less than stellar, which limits your ability to actually do more then moderately offend (usually for willful moronity, than actual invective).
Developer: Why do you bring up, “evenly yoked” as a problem? In the context it means they each are bound to the other, and have (in separate realms) equal responsibilities, one to the other.
Seems a reasonable idea (I have grave reservations on the idea the separate realms allows for real equality, but hey, it’s not my ife; so long as they don’t try to force it on me, I don’t care. Consenting adults and all that).
Look at the feminist response [to “Elevatorgate”]. Would I be wrong to classify that as “This man is an evil, vile, villainous potential rapist”.
Yes.
That was the accusation the MRA/defensive athiests said was the feminist reaction. Feminists said, “Skepchick has a point, you ought to listen to her”.
What I’m objecting to is the fact that I can’t express my desires AND that I can no longer assume my desires are universal. This means, I can’t really be honest with any potential partner. I’d be perfectly happy if either of those conditions were met.
I see the problem.
You are perfectly free to state this unamed desire (I say unnamed because you aren’t more than hinting at it). No one is stopping you.
You are correct in that our freedom means you can’t expect (and have no right) to have your desires be made the social norm. Feel free to campaign for it. If you can convince society that it’s the way to go, you’ll get it. But you aren’t entitled to it. None of us is.
But nothing stops you from being honest. My desires aren’t the social norms. I’ve managed to fulfill them. I did that by being honest with my partners.