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Lady Killers 2: Electric Boogaloo

Well, here’s a new twist on the whole “women love assholes” thing. According to the blogger known as Vox Day – a sort of right-wing/PUA hybrid – the best way for a fella to capture the attention of a comely lass is to rape and murder another comely lass. Yep. He seems to have confused “Game” — that is, pick-up artist trickery — with The Most Dangerous Game. Oh, Vox stops short of recommending that his readers actually go out and murder women, but he argues this women-love-killers argument in all seriousness:

I don’t believe I could recommend this as a strategy for most men, but it is surely educational to learn that raping and killing a woman is demonstrably more attractive to women than behaving like a gentleman. And women, before all the inevitable snowflaking commences, please note that there is absolutely nothing to argue about here. It is an established empirical fact.

His empirical “proof” of this assertion? The fact that some Japanese women have set up online fan clubs for Tatsuya Ichihashi, an accused murderer.

From this one data point, Vox seems to have made a somewhat hasty generalization based on the notion that all women are the same person – that is, if one woman thinks or does something, all women think or do that same thing.

Yes, there are  women — and men — who find themselves attracted to vile human beings. Some women idolize murderers. Some men think Ann Coulter is hot.  That doesn’t mean that all women idolize murderers or that all men want to get it on with Ms. Coulter. It just means that some people have really, really, really appalling taste.

But let’s just assume for a moment that Vox’s basic premise is true: all women love violent psycopaths,. If you’ want to get with the ladies, but aren’t so hard up for a date that you’re actually willing to resort to homicide, is there some other way you convey what a violent psychopath you are to the ladies of the world? Yep, says Vox:

[I]f you are being introduced to a woman you find attractive, she will be more attracted to you if you slap her in the face without warning and walk away without explanation than if you smile and tell her that you are very pleased to meet her. Now this, being a mere hypothesis, can be argued. And tested, if you’re feeling especially scientific this weekend.

I really hope none of his readers take him up on this.

Is Vox being altogether serious about this? Yes and no. About the idea that women love killers? Absolutely serious. About actually assaulting women? He’s a bit more cagey. On his blog Alpha Game, Vox elaborates:

Women find it sexier for you to rape and kill a woman than putting them on pedestals and being a nice guy. I’m not saying that you should rape and kill anyone, but I would recommend, at the very least, dropping the nice guy routine and pushing over the pedestals.

Women have plenty of positive attributes. But they’re not angels, and when it comes to what sexually attracts them, even the nice, well-bred ones are more insanely twisted, from the male perspective, than the average serial killer.

So apparently the only truly happy couples in the world are those in which both partners think like serial killers.

What a romantic!

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CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

Although it is kind of funny that you somehow managed to interpret the fact that I’m a journalist as a statement that I’m a totally hotshot journalist of the kind who’s a household name. I don’t actually think I’d like the household name part very much if it was true (it isn’t), but I guess the money would be nice.

Hengist
Hengist
9 years ago

“I’d settle for him restraining his urge to hurl random insults at women online, personally. ”

I give as good as I get, and I make no apologies for that. I challenge you, though, to find one instance where I started the insults, or attacked someone unprovoked.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

Is that a joke? Every thread I’ve seen you in so far you’ve indulged in some sort of name-calling, and you’re usually the one starting it.

Unless of course you intended the “I bet you’re one of those man-hating academics!” stuff above as a compliment, which would be peculiar from someone with your attitude towards women.

Hengist
Hengist
9 years ago

Wow, Hengist, are you actively trying to be creepy or does it just come naturally to you?

And no, still not telling you my real name, and if you decide to dig for it…well, there’s not much I can do to stop you, but I will point out that you’re being kind of an asshole by disregarding my request for anonymity.

Don’t flatter yourself love, you’re not my type and a bit too old anyway (5-year difference is where I draw the line). This was mostly a response to your “learn to internet” challenge. No stalking involved, just freely available info.

Although it is kind of funny that you somehow managed to interpret the fact that I’m a journalist as a statement that I’m a totally hotshot journalist of the kind who’s a household name.

Yeah, the bit about “getting paid to interview rockstars” might have had something to do with that. 😉

GRA
GRA
9 years ago

Nono, obviously namecalling is bad when it’s done TO hengist. Using ugly stereotypes, obsolete and disproven mythos and flat-out lies to insult and hurt doesn’t count when used against others, only Hengist, because his weiner is the center of the universe and Galileo was wrong all along. Duh.

Hengist
Hengist
9 years ago

Is that a joke? Every thread I’ve seen you in so far you’ve indulged in some sort of name-calling, and you’re usually the one starting it.

Really? Examples please. Especially considering that you go back a bit, my very first posts here were about you people being a little to harsh with one of the “trolls”, with Rutee and a few others responding by calling me an idiot and a concern troll. Once again, show me one place where I initiated the insult match.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

It’s almost impossible to express how relieved I am not to be Hengist’s type. Who knew that ageing had such unexpected fringe benefits? Maybe I should start telling people that I’m 50.

Flib
Flib
9 years ago

Hrm… I’m not sure which troll would win in a creeper fest right now. DKM’s got his creepy misspellings and cap locks cruise control laughing. But right now, Hengist, you seem to be trying so hard for it.

red_locker
9 years ago

“Nono, obviously namecalling is bad when it’s done TO hengist. Using ugly stereotypes, obsolete and disproven mythos and flat-out lies to insult and hurt doesn’t count when used against others, only Hengist, because his weiner is the center of the universe and Galileo was wrong all along. Duh.”

Wait, the sun revolves my dick? That has got to be a nasty sunburn.

GRA
GRA
9 years ago

Also, Hengist, I will reiterate what CassandraSaid earlier: Lern 2 interwebz. Demanding dox is very, very unacceptable and creepy.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

Sorry, Hengist, you’re not interesting enough for me to dig back through old posts from before I started reading this blog to find your initial comments.

@ Flib – Hengist is definitely creepier. DKM is more like the batty elderly relative who you have to remember to keep the sherry away from at your cousin’s wedding.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

@red_locker – Factor eleventy billion sunblock?

Also I think Hengist is still mad at me for not bursting into tears earlier when he told me I wasn’t motherly enough. Though it seems like I may be old enough to be his mother, in which case…hmm, I’m starting to see my Dad’s point about how I should have had kids in order to have my well brought up ones balance out the awful behavior of other people’s children.

red_locker
9 years ago

@CassandraSays: Oh, indeed.

“Also I think Hengist is still mad at me for not bursting into tears earlier when he told me I wasn’t motherly enough. Though it seems like I may be old enough to be his mother, in which case…hmm, I’m starting to see my Dad’s point about how I should have had kids in order to have my well brought up ones balance out the awful behavior of other people’s children.”

That, or he (probably) has a thing for MILFs.

But if that’s the case…Hengist, dude, Google. It’s your friend.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

No, Hengist needs to be banned from Google until he learns how to use it for non-creepy purposes.

(Looking for porn would be fine, btw., it’s the other stuff that’s creepy.)

Shora
9 years ago

Hengist.

Cassandra’s not gonna dig back, but I’ve got nothing better to do this morning, so why not?

In this thread here is where your snark really starts to come out. Yes, the paint by numbers and choose your own adventures comments were mildly snarky, but each time you escalated with more snark, derision, and all in all rudeness.

here is where you became outright insulting and everyone decided they were done with you.

In Hit her back: Things were pretty tame. Rutee called you a dimwit, you said you’d rearrange her face, everyone involved put the rulers away and zipped back up. DKM was positively disgusting in that thread, though.

In Many Feminists Love Rape You started with…. Oh wait, I didn’t even get there because I’m stuck on the fact that you just used to key and lock metaphor to justify slut shaming. I’m pretty sure you earned all the vitriol you got on that thread for that thread alone, but we’ll go back and check:

Yup, you started by calling someone stupid and then continued with insisting that women need to manage their behavior to avoid rape, and also if a women doesn’t dye her hair to a color a rapist doesn’t like, and gets raped, she’s responsible. Classy.

Oh, and this is a good one! In Feminists Don’t Think Of Men As Human, you go on about how Schrodinger’s rapist is misandric and women who worry about rape are really, well, overreacting paranoid harpies. Someone was a little snarky in response to victem blaming and you responded with “See! Feminists are all nasty bitches!” but the real treat is when you start being a little shit to Precunium here, And yes, you WERE the one who started in on personal attacks first.

In Baby Denial you start with being snotty and dismissive of the real work it takes to be a stay-at-home parent. When someone called you a “nitwit” (shock! outrage! how dare they!) You slapped a big shit-eating grin on your face and said “See! I knew that if I would act like an outrageous douchbag they would resort to personal attacks! Ten bucks for me! Feminism sucks! High fives!”

And I’m done with this now. I think it’s long enough.

So the pattern; You, in some way, act like a little shit. Someone snaps and calls you a dimwit, or nitwit, or something. You get all “gotcha!” and go on about how feminists are all snarky bitches snark snerk snark snark, and then you start in on the real nasty personal attacks, and when someone calls you out on it, you look at them and say “You started it!”

Basically, you act like a five year old.

Shora
9 years ago

Ugh, I just wrote a long-ass comment in response to hengist’s challenge, and it’s in moderation 🙁

hellkell
hellkell
9 years ago

Did it have a lot of links? If so, that might be why.

Shora
9 years ago

Oh yea, I liked the fuck out of it. He wanted proof of him being an asshat and I….. had a lot of material to work with 😛

Shora
9 years ago

Liked=linked. Jeebus

kristinmh
kristinmh
9 years ago

If Developers weren’t a non-theist I’d suggest he convert to Mormonism, which is a proselytizing religion with a structure explicitly dedicated to marrying off its members (the Singles Ward). True, he’d have to wear magic underwear and go to church 3-4 nights a week, but it’s an excellent place to meet women who are a) socialized to be submissive, b) interested in traditional marriage and c) really eager to get married as early as possible.

Also, anecdotally, all the Mormon women I’ve met have been really good-looking.

kristinmh
kristinmh
9 years ago

And Hengist, you sure went sour fast, didn’t you? I seem to recall you showing up here as a sort of “reasonable” MRA before you got all nasty and self-absorbed.

But I’m sure it’s our fault for not being nice enough to you, right?

Holly Pervocracy
9 years ago

The problem with MRAs asking for dating tips is that what they really want are:

1) Guaranteed tips. Ideas that still carry a chance of the woman saying “no thanks, not interested” are not useful, because dating tips are supposed to be operating instructions for the Woman Machine, not things that vary from person to person and are still subject to free will.

2) Gimmick tips. This is why PUAs wear silly hats and why the “slapping women to pick them up” post got anyone taking it seriously at all. Tips like “act honestly and naturally” and “be genuinely interested in her” sound excessively general and mundane to someone who’s expecting magical secrets.

So no, I don’t have any dating tips. But that doesn’t mean I can’t look at the OP here and go “I can’t tell you how to get dates, but not that.

Holly Pervocracy
9 years ago

Hengist, why don’t you tell us your real name?

Not as a quid pro quo or whatever–I wouldn’t expect anyone here to “trade” their name for yours–but since you seem to think that’s a reasonable request, why are you still going by “Hengist” instead of “Bob Smith” or “Eoghan Jones?”

Pecunium
9 years ago

Hengist: If no one here is getting under your skin, why the outbursts? Why the accusations that we don’t have lives (really… we may post a lot, but we do other things too. I’m a photography writer, and I teach cooking. I’m retired from the Army. I have time, this is how I choose to spend some of it, because it pleases me). You think you are insulting me, at one level you are; those are things you think insulting (and really, the “Mr. Money”? You can do better than that. If you knew why I use that nom de net, you’d be in a better position to try using it as a means of mockery, but that would require 1: a more classical education, and 2: actual insights about me, neither of which you seem to have).

On the more important level, you aren’t. Words have power, but your understanding of how to us them is a bit less than stellar, which limits your ability to actually do more then moderately offend (usually for willful moronity, than actual invective).

Pecunium
9 years ago

Developer: Why do you bring up, “evenly yoked” as a problem? In the context it means they each are bound to the other, and have (in separate realms) equal responsibilities, one to the other.

Seems a reasonable idea (I have grave reservations on the idea the separate realms allows for real equality, but hey, it’s not my ife; so long as they don’t try to force it on me, I don’t care. Consenting adults and all that).

Look at the feminist response [to “Elevatorgate”]. Would I be wrong to classify that as “This man is an evil, vile, villainous potential rapist”.

Yes.

That was the accusation the MRA/defensive athiests said was the feminist reaction. Feminists said, “Skepchick has a point, you ought to listen to her”.

What I’m objecting to is the fact that I can’t express my desires AND that I can no longer assume my desires are universal. This means, I can’t really be honest with any potential partner. I’d be perfectly happy if either of those conditions were met.

I see the problem.

You are perfectly free to state this unamed desire (I say unnamed because you aren’t more than hinting at it). No one is stopping you.

You are correct in that our freedom means you can’t expect (and have no right) to have your desires be made the social norm. Feel free to campaign for it. If you can convince society that it’s the way to go, you’ll get it. But you aren’t entitled to it. None of us is.

But nothing stops you from being honest. My desires aren’t the social norms. I’ve managed to fulfill them. I did that by being honest with my partners.

Hershele Ostropoler
9 years ago

Rutee:

No, Elevator Guy was wrong. You have to take the FULL CONTEXT OF THINGS into account;

In principle, Elevator Guy might not have been wrong to talk to Watson as long as he was willing to take “no” for an answer. In practice, talking to her in particular in that elevator in particular at that time indicated an unwillingness to take “no” for an answer, since she’d just said “leave me alone when I’m in the elevator.”

On Second Avenue last week I encountered a driver who felt about red lights the way Elevator Guy felt about Watson’s speech; fortunately I got out of the way in time.

Hengist:

If only all those pesky men would admit they’re wrong, that they are all potential rapists who participate in rape culture.

That’s … not actually what it says. The contradiction of the central thesis of SR is not “some men are not rapists.” It’s either “no men are rapists” or “rapists are easily identifiable at a distance,” neither of which has a huge amount of evidence behind it.

PFKAElizabeth

It is saying “I want you to decide to make a lifelong commitment RIGHT NOW.” Almost every woman will say “AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA”

Though it can be noted that stereotypical women would love that. Actually, first-date proposals are classic Nice-Guy™-ism in the sense of addressing what some imaginary construct of what women are like wants without at all addressing the needs/wants/tastes of the individual woman in question.

Cassandra:

And no, still not telling you my real name, and if you decide to dig for it…well, there’s not much I can do to stop you, but I will point out that you’re being kind of an asshole by disregarding my request for anonymity.

I want to point out to Hengist that there’s one pseudonymous Manboobz commenter whose real name I know I know, from the person knowingly revealing enough information to find it without really digging (not CassandraSays). This was a while ago, and I’ve managed not to say anything until now, because it’s fucking creepy and implicitly threatening. I guess that’s why you take issue with advice not to be creepy: it strikes at the heart of who you are.

(I will say there’s a song the person has undoubedly either adopted as an anthem or grown to absolutely loathe.)

Pecunium:

(and really, the “Mr. Money”? You can do better than that. If you knew why I use that nom de net, you’d be in a better position to try using it as a means of mockery, but that would require 1: a more classical education, and 2: actual insights about me, neither of which you seem to have).

Someone tried to insult me once by pointing out the source of my handle, like I’d somehow managed to choose it without knowing who the original Hershel of Ostropol was.

ithiliana
9 years ago

@ VoiP, KatherineB, Hellkell, thebionicmommy, red_locker: Thank you! Most of our cats were rescues from the street, but Tamar (and her brother CB) were adopted at the local humane association’s children’s pet show (I was a judge). That was September 1993 when I first moved to Texas.

Dracula, I’m so sorry to hear that you have to have your cat euthanized–when I took Tamar in Thursday, I knew it was time. We had our big adoption spree within a couple of years, and so we had a large aging population and have lost quite a few the last couple of years. Still, considering how many were rescue cats, the fact that they’re all living to at leasat 15 or more means they had good lives with us.

Pecunium: thank you! I still mourn the horses my mother had to sell at my father’s demand (before he decided to leave with his girlfriend and go through the divorce after all) and that was back in 1975. She and I don’t even want to think about what hapened to them.

ithiliana
9 years ago

@DEVELOPERS ^3

Re: the feminist response (as you call it) to “elevator guy.”

Please read this blog post by Rebecca Watson about the continued harassment she is receiving and tell me what you think about it.

http://skepchick.org/2011/09/mom-dont-read-this/

The feminists didn’t condemn the man in the elevator–they did condemn the MEN from Richard Dawkins on down who began attacking Watson for daring to talk about the reason why many women don’t want anything to do with the athetist movement. And by “the feminists,” I mean all the feminist blogs I follow, and all the feminists whose posts I read on the internet. If you have evidence of others, please link.

And in terms of the xkcd comic: “is this really the model we want..” Depends upon who you mean by “we” white man! Who can you speak for–in terms of what sort of model of human relationships “we” might want. You assume that your rightful centrality in the “human relationship” model has been yanked away from you:

What I’m objecting to is the fact that I can’t express my desires AND that I can no longer assume my desires are universal. At least you realize that you could never have done any more than assume–yes, white straight men are no longer assumed by all to to the universal human default. And it seems to me you’re expressing your desire just fine, right here. I agree with the others, if you spout off TMI on a first date, then a second may be unlikely, but given the infinite kaleidoscope of human desires, I refuse to believe that there are not women who share your values and belief systems. Blaming feminism for creating this social system which totally oppresses monogamous straight people is…..pretty silly if you ask me.

If you want to change significant changes to our culture, it’s perfectly reasonable for someone to ask “If you do that, how am I supposed to get what I want from life?”. If you want to change the rules of how courtship works, then it’s perfectly right for someone to ask, “Okay then, how am I supposed to find a spouse?”.

Well, see, I was born in 1955. I didn’t even LEARN about homosexuality as a concept until I found Mary Renault’s novels about classical Greece in the university library when I was in college. It took even longer for the discourses about the QUILTBAG spectrum to start circulating (look it up if you want).

No sex education, no information from anybody. Everybody just knew you didn’t do it before marriage (except that at least five young women in my graduating class were pregnant during our senior year, and then there was that weird year my grandparents celebrated their 50th anniversary six months before my father’s 50th birthday….hmmm. My grandmother was sixteen when she married my grandfather). I didn’t figure out I wasn’t heterosexual until I was in my late 20s (thank you Emma Samms)–or should I say I didn’t consciously articulate it to myself and think, wow I could act on this. The fact I had to completely suppress any conscious knowledge of my intense crush on specific girls I knew not to mention the choir teacher in the Presbyterian church for fear or what would happen to me was one reason I spent so much time reading. I figured out I didn’t want to get married early on because I looked at the ‘wives’ in our neighborhood (including the ones who had to work because their husbands’ salary wasn’t sufficient even then), and said, oh, no, I ain’t doing that–not enough time for reading. I lived firsthand decades of not being able to express my desires or pleasures and trying to bury my sexuality six feet under. It sucked. So you’d think I’d feel some sympathy for you, but I don’t.

Not because you’re a man! I’d feel the same way if a woman was voicing this, though I’d be terminally surprised if any woman did, not because they don’t feel it, but because “good girls don’t say that sort of thing” (at least in the traditionalist space I grew up in, where a girl could never call a boy, where a woman could never got into a bar or restaurant along unless she wanted to be taken for a whore, where a woman could never say no to a man.) Because YOUR stated desires which were presented as universal but really weren’t in the lived reality even back then were what I had to fight against. I don’t blame you for having them: the fault isn’t your desire, but the fact that they were assumed to be dominant, universal, etc. Everybody else had to suffer in silence–we couldn’t even NAME what we were or how we wanted to live thank goodness for books, and later on, getting out of the state of Idaho). And plus, I don’t really believe that what you want is that impossible (well, the stay at home partner, but blame the economic mess in this country that has meant for some time that middle-class families could stay in that status only with two wage-earners, not feminism).

I live and work in Texas. Rural Texas. The stated ideal of this state is chastity before marriage (but gee, look at the statistics not only for teen pregnancy, but for teens having a second pregnancy!). You don’t have to find that Christian a space–you have to find a rural space, I’m thinking. Heterosexual marriage is the norm: when I moved down here, in order to get an apartment, I had to get a letter from my department head saying “yes, Dr. Ithiliana will have a job and will earn money to pay for her apartment this fall.” Since I could not tell the managers when my non-existent husband would show up, nobody would rent to me.

That was 1993.

ithiliana
9 years ago

@Developers^3: the rules of courtship changing.

You know, feminist movements in the US in the last 2 centuries has focused on things like the vote for women, women being able to own property, access to divorce, equal rights in the workplace, etc. Very few feminist rallies are “change the rules of courtship,” but they have changed–because women had options to live that are not limited to “marry the first man who will ask you and be grateful any man will have you, you hussy.”

You cannot assume that the women around you have to marry — but you know, that means that there’s a greater chance that the woman you marry will want to marry YOU, not a wallet (and I’m not saying women were or are golddiggers–but if you cannot earn a living by your own skills, then the economic issue of marriage is foregrounded–by the patriarchy, not the women).

I’m still gobsmacked over the “oh woes is me, women have more rights, but it’s harder for me to get married the way I want to, woes” bit.

ithiliana
9 years ago

@Hengist: Is it still a stereotype if it actually describes the person? Admittedly I had the wrong person, it was ithilianna I was thinking of.

It is a stereotype if you assume every member of a group (in this case, the group might be “feminists” OR might be “regulars on Manboobz”) is X, and that is what you did. In fact, you’re not the only MRA to assume that everybody here is a woman, everybody here is a feminist (not sure they are), and that everybody here has been corrupted by “women’s studies” which seem apparently have taken over all the univesties and shut down all the manly programs like engineering and computer science, in their fevered imaginations.

It’s a stereotype when it’s phrased in such cliched language that is in fact WRONG.

You got just about all the salient points WRONG–so it is a stereotype. I’m not a lesbian (the shift from the binary assumption that people are straight OR gay/lesbian has been around for some time.). I’m a queer woman, and I’m in a queer partnership. It’s nether straight, nor lesbian.

I’m not a “women’s studies” professor: I’m in a department of Literature and Languages, and know feminist faculty (not all of them women) in a number of departments. As I said, my small extremely rural university doesn’t even have a women’s studies program. So wrong about the specifics of MY life, and also, bringing it up as a way (if I reall correctly, not gonna backtrack right now) to discredit Hellkell’s argument is another example of stereotyping: it’s “I don’t hafta listen to what you say because you’re X.”

And it’s a stereotype because you weren’t able to remember the actual individual (what did all the “L”s in hellkell and ithiliana confuse you?), and were just using it as a smack down.

Dracula
Dracula
9 years ago

I just want to say that I greatly appreciate everyone’s kind word and condolences, and to Pecunium in particular, I can’t think of a way to say this doesn’t feel trite to me, but you have my sympathies. I’ve dealt with loss before, but I can’t imagine what that kind of separation is like.

Honestly, I feel a bit guilty talking about this kind of personal stuff on here, especially since it’s kind of off-topic, but it’s been weighing on me lately. Sorry if I’m derailing.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

The thing that’s most confusing to me about Hengist’s behavior here is that he seems to have conflated bullying and sex in some strange and creepy way. He basically tried to call me out as not who I say I am and actually a women’s studies professor/cat lady/whatever, right? Which is an act of aggression and an attempt at bullying – basically, it has nothing to do with sex. And then when I said “hey, poor internet etiquette, stop that” he defaulted to “yeah well I wouldn’t want to fuck you don’t flatter yourself”. Which is like…um, I don’t know about you, but generally if every conversation I have with someone turns into an argument and it’s quite clear that we don’t like each other it’s kind of assumed that sex/dating is not on the menu. So why even bring that up? Is it like the “not motherly” thing, where I’m supposed to be chastened because I have failed in my female duty of making every man in the world want to fuck me? Why am I supposed to want strangers on the internet to want to fuck me anyway? I’m not sure if it’s purely a childish attempt to bully or if he honestly thinks that all women really do base their self esteem around whether or not random men (who can’t even see them, and who they don’t like) find them desirable or not.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

Hey, Dracula, I got a bit distracted there but my sympathies too. I lost my 19 year old cat to cancer in April, and it was the most painful thing I’ve ever been through other than the death of my mother.

(Internet hugs if you want them)

hellkell
hellkell
9 years ago

Hengist is an ass who’s using his supposed “knowledge” of who you are as a beatstick so that us bitches will fall in line and be nice to him. That about right, Hengist?

It’s cheap, and against the comment policy if he really wants to go for it.

Hengist probably bases his worth on how many women want to fuck him, so I’m sure he thinks that women do the same. He’s not real bright.

cynickal
cynickal
9 years ago

Hengist is an ass who’s using his supposed “knowledge” of who you are as a beatstick so that us bitches will fall in line and be nice to him. That about right, Hengist?

It’s cheap, and against the comment policy if he really wants to go for it.

Meh. He’s already done it twice.
What triggers me is he;s shown that he’s willing to use it as a bullying technique.
Between reading my Facebook interactions with my racist nephew and his not-so-sly “How do you know we haven’t already met?”
Honestly these are the actions of a person who doesn’t respect boundaries and in my opinion a threat to people around him. Behavior like this is why restraining orders and sex offender lists exist.

Dracula
Dracula
9 years ago

*accepts hugs* Thanks, Cassandra.

I find Hengist’s particular choice of stereotypes especially funny considering that snarky, sarcastic and feminist are all items on my list of attributes I find appealing in women. Which probably explains why I’m attracted to a lot of women who do stand-up comedy, come to think of it.

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
9 years ago

Hengist probably bases his worth on how many women want to fuck him

Jeez, I don’t like the guy but I wouldn’t wish that level of low self-esteem on anyone.

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
9 years ago

Oh, on the “dating advice” thing I thought of a bit that was applicable to me recently: when you ask a woman online if she’s “cute” and she tells you “no one’s ever vomited upon seeing me, but my younger sister is probably cuter (although she’s too young for you)” don’t respond with “lol, send me a pic? Or maybe your sister isn’t too much younger.”

Because then she will never respond, but she will fantasize about murdering you a little bit. Don’t fuck with big sisters, feminists or otherwise. :p

Dracula
Dracula
9 years ago

“lol, send me a pic? Or maybe your sister isn’t too much younger.”

Charming. I’m not exactly a misanthrope or anything, but FUCK am I ashamed of humanity sometimes.

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
9 years ago

Charming. I’m not exactly a misanthrope or anything, but FUCK am I ashamed of humanity sometimes.

I know, right? He seemed like a nerdy dude, so I didn’t expect the smoothest lines or anything, but he was also 31 years old. Can an adult not read over the things he writes to see if they are incredibly stupid/slightly creepy before sending them? Not talking about hitting on someone’s younger sister seems like a low bar. :p

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
9 years ago

Hengist is going on moderation for Google creepiness, and I’m deleting his earlier creepy comment.

Thanks! Cassandra handled it like a total boss, natch, but I was unnerved just by the reflection of its creepiness. Ick ick. Dudes like that make me less keen on dipping into the dating pool.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

@Bagelsan – Well, to be honest, I did have a moment of “is there any way he could figure out where I live and how strong are my locks?” there. I agree with cynikal – comments like that do indicate a complete lack of respect for boundaries. Which I guess explains why he needs dating advice, but any advice given is going to be of very limited use until he masters the whole boundary thing.

Hengist
Hengist
9 years ago

I realize that this thread has run its course now and further commenting would be beating a dead horse, so I’ll just close by saying I’m rather amazed at the level of sheer hypocrisy, dishonesty and just plain disconnect from reality exhibited by the Boob Gang here.

From Shora “showing” me where I insulted people and completely ignoring the context, or the fact that only a few posts earlier I’d tried making a point in a calm and polite manner only to receive insults and name-calling in return, to Pecunium going on and on about I don’t-even-know what because his posts put me to sleep*, to being accused by random people of saying things I never said and of having views I never held, to Cassandra freaking out because I said she’s not the motherly type, which was actually in response to her snarking at me “I’m not your mommy”!

And now I’m put on moderation for “Google creepiness” which apparently equates to finding out a few facts about a Boober which were freely available on her blog, as a response to her snarky challenge of “learn to internet”.

Just… wow. If you weren’t just a small community of weird nutjobs, I’d actually be worried.

*and yes, I can imagine where the nickname comes from. Another geek who did a tour in army and now sees himself as a romanticized warrior-poet, samurai, soldier-of-fortune guy. Internet forums are full of them. :p

Hengist
Hengist
9 years ago

By the way, I honestly don’t care if these comments ever show up or not, because I’m pretty much done with this place; it’s fucking poisonous. What the hell am I still doing here when not a single one of you is somebody I’d remotely enjoy hanging out with in real life? Enjoy your hypocritical, smug circle-jerks, Boob Gang.

KathleenB
KathleenB
9 years ago

Oooh, another flounce. I’m not sure you’ve heard about the scoring system, Hengist: You get a base difficulty for your flounce, that’s the minimum score. If you stick the landing – that is, you never darken our door again – you get full points. If you can’t manage to stay away, you get deductions based on how long you stayed away and how much of an ass you make of yourself upon return. I’m going to give this a base difficulty of 9. Good luck, and remember to stick the landing!

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

Please let it be an actual flounce this time and not the kind of boomerang flounce that MRAL keeps doing.

Bostonian
Bostonian
9 years ago

He will be back in two days, tops. Most likely less than 24 hours.

red_locker
9 years ago

Well, that was a messy puddle Hengist made there.

*pulls out a mop and bucket*

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
9 years ago

Enjoy your hypocritical, smug circle-jerks, Boob Gang.

If we’re boobs, can it be a “circle-lactation” or something? 😀