Well, here’s a new twist on the whole “women love assholes” thing. According to the blogger known as Vox Day – a sort of right-wing/PUA hybrid – the best way for a fella to capture the attention of a comely lass is to rape and murder another comely lass. Yep. He seems to have confused “Game” — that is, pick-up artist trickery — with The Most Dangerous Game. Oh, Vox stops short of recommending that his readers actually go out and murder women, but he argues this women-love-killers argument in all seriousness:
I don’t believe I could recommend this as a strategy for most men, but it is surely educational to learn that raping and killing a woman is demonstrably more attractive to women than behaving like a gentleman. And women, before all the inevitable snowflaking commences, please note that there is absolutely nothing to argue about here. It is an established empirical fact.
His empirical “proof” of this assertion? The fact that some Japanese women have set up online fan clubs for Tatsuya Ichihashi, an accused murderer.
From this one data point, Vox seems to have made a somewhat hasty generalization based on the notion that all women are the same person – that is, if one woman thinks or does something, all women think or do that same thing.
Yes, there are women — and men — who find themselves attracted to vile human beings. Some women idolize murderers. Some men think Ann Coulter is hot. That doesn’t mean that all women idolize murderers or that all men want to get it on with Ms. Coulter. It just means that some people have really, really, really appalling taste.
But let’s just assume for a moment that Vox’s basic premise is true: all women love violent psycopaths,. If you’ want to get with the ladies, but aren’t so hard up for a date that you’re actually willing to resort to homicide, is there some other way you convey what a violent psychopath you are to the ladies of the world? Yep, says Vox:
[I]f you are being introduced to a woman you find attractive, she will be more attracted to you if you slap her in the face without warning and walk away without explanation than if you smile and tell her that you are very pleased to meet her. Now this, being a mere hypothesis, can be argued. And tested, if you’re feeling especially scientific this weekend.
I really hope none of his readers take him up on this.
Is Vox being altogether serious about this? Yes and no. About the idea that women love killers? Absolutely serious. About actually assaulting women? He’s a bit more cagey. On his blog Alpha Game, Vox elaborates:
Women find it sexier for you to rape and kill a woman than putting them on pedestals and being a nice guy. I’m not saying that you should rape and kill anyone, but I would recommend, at the very least, dropping the nice guy routine and pushing over the pedestals.
Women have plenty of positive attributes. But they’re not angels, and when it comes to what sexually attracts them, even the nice, well-bred ones are more insanely twisted, from the male perspective, than the average serial killer.
So apparently the only truly happy couples in the world are those in which both partners think like serial killers.
What a romantic!
Baselsan: What if it said, “I’m in Mensa, and I’ll slap you around,”? I could get it in one of the old Germanic style faces, like Fraktur.
I’ll bet the women would be all over me then.
MENSA 4 LIFE! (on your belly of course)
Ooh, or tattoo “MENSA” on your knuckles and just start punching people! Sexxay.
Ever used Usenet? There’s a reason it’s mostly ghost town now and people use online forums nowadays.
Imagine a world that started off as one gigantic discussion room. You have threads but they’re not split into multiple subforums, they’re all in the same area (they’re also tree-like, with each reply having a parent post, instead of a single flat list like here). Then one day, as many many more people joined up, people started to get tired of slogging through, say, 10000 posts on Star Trek to get to their neurobiology discussions, or whatever, so they back-patched in a subject hierarchy (soc.menz, soc.politics.feminism, etc etc) and then even more than that because the people responsible for creating the hierarchies were too tied up in red tape they created an entire sub-tree called alt. (alt.atheism, alt.mens.rights, alt.manboobz, etc).
However, every post is still in the central repository and the sub-groups are patches, so the way they did that was by appending the group to the post, so your newsreader would filter out anything not from that group, instead of the posts being *actually* put in separate bins. And then they had the brilliant idea that people should be able to crosspost (so I could write a single post and post it into, say, alt.christianity, alt.religion, alt.satanism, alt.atheism all at once… because we know THAT’s going to end well) but most people tend to aggregate in a single group as a community AND a lot of people don’t know anything about crossposts, so that any cross-group flamewar ends up with 75% of people going “well why are you fuckers coming *in here* and posting your trollish shit instead of staying *over there*?”
More importantly, if some enterprising person wanting to eliminate the flamewars decides that he or she will post hir reply in only one group to minimize crossposting flamewars, this basically breaks the threading information so that the reply ends up being detected as an entirely new thread by the newsreader software (except if it’s a particularly good piece of newsreading software).
Now if I tell you that when I started posting on alt.atheism the crossposting flamewar with soc.mensa had already been ongoing for over 3 years… you can understand why I don’t really have an easy way to link you to it. 😉
Hm, I think the MEN in a MENSA-tattoo should be bolded..
Surely, the sight of it will make panties drop in no time!
Also, if Vox Day can extrapolate that all chicks dig serial killers from a few japanese women who made fanclubs for one, then I guess it’s safe to assume that all men are into women who either insult and punch them, or who threaten their life and their loved ones should they even dare to talk to another woman (even if it’s their mom).
I mean, some japanese dudes buy those CDs, so it’s pretty good evidence for what every guy wants, right?
Ladies? You know what to do!
In fact my first ever contact with MRAs was in, erm, 1997 or 1998 I believe, when some flamewar erupted between a profiteering ‘pro-men’ lawyer named K.P. (initials only, name withheld to protect the stupid) who claimed to be an activist protecting men by providing legal harrassment for their ex-wives and one of his MRA clients who was dissatisfied and claimed K.P. was actually running a conman shell-game on MRAs by pretending to be on their sides politically and using that only as a way to extract money out of them. Now it’s hard to know who was the worst dick in this affair because the client in question used anonymizers and crossposted his grievances all across the Usenet (but in general had *mostly* sworn off the MRA mindset because of the way he’d been treated, seeing it as a racket, but still being occasionally less than a stellar example of a feminist icon), while K.P. remained a vile MRA piece of swine and destroyed any good will people might have had towards his predicament by insulting every woman poster that got involved and taking a particular interest in insulting alt.atheism posters (somehow our group had been in the crosspost avalanche). Also, K.P. got a bee in his bonnet about any form of online anonymity, which made him quite unpopular with some of the alt.atheism people who had been involved in the alt.scientology flamewar (if you wonder why Anonymous has an issue with Scientology, it’s because Scientology has always been an enemy of the Internet, even way back then, and some people affiliated with the church basically did the equivalent of carpet bombing the entire Usenet just to stop posters who had been posting their holy texts on alt.scientology).
“Ooh, or tattoo “MENSA” on your knuckles and just start punching people! Sexxay.”
I wouldn’t date them, but I’d buy the comic book.
Oh no, the dreaded ..-ellipsis!!!
And the darn link didn’t work, ugh.
Here it is! Because everyone knows that guys just want someone like Alex “bunny boiler” Forrest from Fatal Attraction.
I will always associate Mensa with sea otters.
I will always associate Mensa with people who mistakenly think that IQ is actually a thing that matters.
I can see how they might come to this conclusion through faulty extrapolation.
They may notice that, when they act all fawning and pedestalish to a woman, she’s not really impressed. Mostly that will be because these guys are not very good at faking admiration and love, which are kind of necessary to actually fawn and enpedestal someone sincerely. A woman who’s never met you will immediately be suspicious if you treat them like a goddess.
They look around and see other guys not being so fawning and having better success, because they are sincerely interested rather than pretending awe when what they truly feel for the woman is a mix of disgust and hatred and resentment.
They look around again and see a woman who’s mad in love with a guy who doesn’t want anything to do with her. She’s following him and takes his rebuffs in stride because she thinks she might have a chance if she keeps trying, or she’s oblivious, or an asshole who refuses to take a clue.
They extrapolate these three points into a curve where greater interest from a man equals lesser interest from a woman, assuming all men are alike (and like him) and all women are alike (so it’s only the man’s approach that directs the result).
There won’t be any data points where the man doesn’t care and the woman doesn’t care, because there’s nothing to see.
There are visible data points where the man and woman both care a lot, but he probably looks at those guys as manginas.
Hy know! Eeveryboody knowz dat vomen goez fur de goyz mit de nize hat!
Is this the same Vox Day who wrote a book about how atheism is a symptom of autism or something?
“Women find it sexier for you to rape and kill a woman than putting them on pedestals and being a nice guy.”
What gives me lulz about the PUA mindset is that not only is there only one woman in the world, there are only two men: whiny castrated doormats or violent caveman thugs. Ug. Neither of whom have any motivations or aspirations other than acquiring pussy.
Mensa guys can’t wear hats. Their brains are toooo big. True fax.
“Ooh, or tattoo “MENSA” on your knuckles and just start punching people! Sexxay.”
I know I said this would get you girls, but also try this on potential employers, too. I’m sure they’ll be super impressed. (My dad told me about a job applicant that had his Mensa membership and IQ listed on his CV. Oh my. XD)
@Bagelsan:
“(My dad told me about a job applicant that had his Mensa membership and IQ listed on his CV. Oh my. XD)”
Wow, what job was it for?
Ever since the night his parents were brutally disappointed by a parent-teacher conference, he vowed to get revenge on all those who said “eh, he’s not as smart as he thinks he is.” Late each evening he dons his gloves with metal lettering across the knuckles, and roams his suburb looking for people to
punchwoo. Striking like a totally pimp Alpha he then flees into the night, leaving dazed targets with only the imprint of “ASNEM” across their foreheads and the lingering smell of Axe body spray in the air.@Comet: some sort of software programming job. So I guess I can’t be too surprised… :p
@Bagelsan; Where would you like your internets delivered?
Bagelsan, I would read the shit out of that ♥
I think it should be drawn by Liefeld or Land, for that extra skeezy feeling!
Female murders get male admirers too. At least, that’s what happened with Casey Anthony, who got money and love letters from strange men while she was in jail.
To an MRA, this is not proof that men and women are surprisingly similar, but that Casey Anthony is extorting money from innocent men with her evil vagina.
What gives me lulz about the PUA mindset is that not only is there only one woman in the world, there are only two men: whiny castrated doormats or violent caveman thugs. Ug. Neither of whom have any motivations or aspirations other than acquiring pussy.
This is the plot of the great 1970s movie Carnal Knowledge, written by cartoonist Jules Feiffer and starring Jack Nicholson and Art Garfunkel (gee, guess which one plays the doormat and which one plays the thug). I think of it a lot when I read these threads because it’s such a spot-on depiction of this mindset. Part of the point of the movie is that, although the Nicholson character is worse (and turns into a full-on MRA type at the end), both of them treat women pretty badly and never see them as more than extensions of their own egos.
“I have a high IQ!” is the Internet discussion equivalent of “My mom says I’m handsome!”
Shaenon, I think Scott Adams is the master of the “I have a high IQ!” argument. Vox Day should take lessons from him.
If we see someone with a totally different screen name pop up and say that we’re all wrong because Vox has a high IQ, we will know that he has learned well.