Well, here’s a new twist on the whole “women love assholes” thing. According to the blogger known as Vox Day – a sort of right-wing/PUA hybrid – the best way for a fella to capture the attention of a comely lass is to rape and murder another comely lass. Yep. He seems to have confused “Game” — that is, pick-up artist trickery — with The Most Dangerous Game. Oh, Vox stops short of recommending that his readers actually go out and murder women, but he argues this women-love-killers argument in all seriousness:
I don’t believe I could recommend this as a strategy for most men, but it is surely educational to learn that raping and killing a woman is demonstrably more attractive to women than behaving like a gentleman. And women, before all the inevitable snowflaking commences, please note that there is absolutely nothing to argue about here. It is an established empirical fact.
His empirical “proof” of this assertion? The fact that some Japanese women have set up online fan clubs for Tatsuya Ichihashi, an accused murderer.
From this one data point, Vox seems to have made a somewhat hasty generalization based on the notion that all women are the same person – that is, if one woman thinks or does something, all women think or do that same thing.
Yes, there are women — and men — who find themselves attracted to vile human beings. Some women idolize murderers. Some men think Ann Coulter is hot. That doesn’t mean that all women idolize murderers or that all men want to get it on with Ms. Coulter. It just means that some people have really, really, really appalling taste.
But let’s just assume for a moment that Vox’s basic premise is true: all women love violent psycopaths,. If you’ want to get with the ladies, but aren’t so hard up for a date that you’re actually willing to resort to homicide, is there some other way you convey what a violent psychopath you are to the ladies of the world? Yep, says Vox:
[I]f you are being introduced to a woman you find attractive, she will be more attracted to you if you slap her in the face without warning and walk away without explanation than if you smile and tell her that you are very pleased to meet her. Now this, being a mere hypothesis, can be argued. And tested, if you’re feeling especially scientific this weekend.
I really hope none of his readers take him up on this.
Is Vox being altogether serious about this? Yes and no. About the idea that women love killers? Absolutely serious. About actually assaulting women? He’s a bit more cagey. On his blog Alpha Game, Vox elaborates:
Women find it sexier for you to rape and kill a woman than putting them on pedestals and being a nice guy. I’m not saying that you should rape and kill anyone, but I would recommend, at the very least, dropping the nice guy routine and pushing over the pedestals.
Women have plenty of positive attributes. But they’re not angels, and when it comes to what sexually attracts them, even the nice, well-bred ones are more insanely twisted, from the male perspective, than the average serial killer.
So apparently the only truly happy couples in the world are those in which both partners think like serial killers.
What a romantic!
Yeah, I guess…. in a “Mickey and Mallory Knox 4EVER” kinda way
I really hope none of his readers take him up on this.
I kind of hope they do! Random violence against strangers is the kind most likely to lead to a successful report and arrest!
Now here’s a fun hypothetical question: if this really was the world we lived in, wouldn’t it be more ethical for men to swear themselves to celibacy, sacrificing sex in order to still be a good person?
He’s got a chance to set himself up as a hero here and he just totally blows it.
I see that he hasn’t actually tried slapping women when he meets them. It’s almost like he knows it won’t work and will in fact end very, very badly.
So, is he arguing that all women are serial killers, or that no women are serial killers because they all channel their urges into being mean to men on dates?
Man who’s too shy to even meep out a “hello!” to a woman, or serial killer. These are your only options, guys. I know you may have thought that there were others, but you were incorrect.
In my universal experience of all women everywhere, the most attractive thing a man can do is math jokes. Empirical proof!
I too hope they try it. I’d press charges real fast if some random asshole up and slapped me. That kind of behavior would make an impression, just not the one they’re hoping for.
Protip, dudes: the song “He Hit Me (And It Felt Like A Kiss) is really stupid and fucked up and should not be taken literally.
The most attractive thing these guys and their followers can do is go far, far away already.
So, “hundreds” of women have left admiring messages about Tatsuya Ichihashi….therefore ALL of the several billion women on the planet are exactly the same, and are attracted to violent rapists. However if any of those women discuss the empirical fact that men rape, they are misandrists.
This is actually Old Meme in the manosphere: it dates back to roissy’s general idea that some women want to date serial killers. It’s interesting to note that people whom roissy would call a 6 at best suddenly become 9s when he wants to prove that “hot women like serial killers.”
Wow. I don’t think I will ever, ever feel scientific enough to do this. Does that make me a bad person?
why is it to MRAs all women everywhere are exactly the same and like/are turned on by the same things yet they’re quick to shriek that “all men are not violent or rapists and feminists should stop saying that MISANDRY!!!!11”
can they not recognize the hypocrisy and complete lack of logic in this?
And honestly, Japan has some people that have… bizarre interests to say the least. I’ve followed anime for a long time and although anime is definitely not reflective of Japan as a whole, it’s brought to my attention some of the stranger aspects of Japanese culture. These fanclub women seem deranged and probably worship weird anime guys with similar personalities too. To me they seem disconnected from reality. Anyone who writes to murderers are not all there.
What’s “snowflaking” and how does it dismiss perfectly valid, sensible rebuttals to his idiot babble?
Used to describe children/young adults who were so endlessly coddled and spoiled by their parents that they view themselves as unique and special as a snowflake (because no two are exactly the same as the saying goes). Usually the term used is “precious snowflake.”
VoIP – Snowflaking is saying “but I’m different! I’m a unique snowflake!”
This is obviously wrong, because there’s a word for it. We don’t make silly words for things if they might have a point!
Apparently the idea that people are different isn’t just wrong but hilarious.
I’m always able to forget Vox Day exists until some blogger finds another piece of insanity. Thanks a lot, bloggers!
But seriously, the guy’s not all there.
Perhaps he’s watched Angelina and Brad in Mr. and Mrs. Smith once too often.
Why do PUA’s and MRA’s always act like your only choices when interacting with women are “put them on a pedestal” or “act like a jerk?” The thing is, in my experience it’s actually true that most women don’t enjoy being put on a pedestal by men. But the thing is, most of the time that doesn’t mean they want a guy to act like a jerk either, and for shit’s sake, it definitely doesn’t mean they want to be RAPED. Most women just want a guy who treats them like a person, with putting them on a pedestal OR treating them like crap.
Are there exceptions? Yes. Some women enjoy a dominant, controlling man, even if that means he acts a bit jerky to maintain his dominance (although even among most of the women I know who will admit to preferring a dominant man, most of them don’t want a rapist or a murderer!). Some women want genuinely dangerous or disturbed men, usually because they themselves have unresolved mental and emotional issues. But those are not all, or even the majority of, women. Also, some women DO want to be put on pedestals. I don’t personally understand this, but women like that exist just as surely as women who are attracted to jerks exist.
Most women aren’t either, though, and treating women like goddesses vs. treating them like trash is a false dichotomy. How about just treating us like people?
It’s not just that people are different. It’s the insanity of taking a very narrow and bizarre sexual interest embraced by a small number of people and declaring that because “hundreds” of people feel this way, we all do too. I mean, seriously: there are men who get get off when their partners vomit or defecate on them. I wasn’t able to find prevalence numbers with a quick Google search, but the fact that these paraphilias are in the DSM tells me there are more than “hundreds” of men with this kink. By Vox’s logic then, a piece of advice to any lady who wants to win his heart: shit and puke all over him. He’ll fall right in love. And Vox, please note that there is no argument here; the fact that you like being shat and puked upon is a proven scientific fact.
Well you know what to do, Amused.
FOR SCIENCE!
Vox Day… Oi.
The mental pollution of feminism extends well beyond the question of great thinkers. Women do not write hard science fiction today because so few can hack the physics, so they either write romance novels in space about strong, beautiful, independent and intelligent but lonely women who finally fall in love with rugged men who love them just as they are, or stick to fantasy where they can make things up without getting hammered by critics holding triple Ph.D.s in molecular engineering, astrophysics and Chaucer.
Follow the link, and you’ll see he’s an open anti-semite, and stupid enough to show up and try to defend his positions. John Scalzi, among others, hands him his ass.
I’d date a murderer. I’d also date a convicted rapist. But, that’s just me. To the person in the last thread that assumed I have a uterus. I don’t.
Unfortunately he’s the particular kind of overstuffed douchetweed who thinks the way to avoid losing an argument is to simply pretend you won. If somebody dismantles your half-assed logic or observes that your ’empirical facts’ are wrong, why, just ignore them and switch to a different argument. Later, you can repeat yourself. Think John Derbyshire but with more sedatives.
But yeah, not too bright. We are talking about somebody who doesn’t realize “Christian Libertarian” is an oxymoron.
C.J. Cherryh. Le Guin.
cool story bro
“I’d date a murderer. I’d also date a convicted rapist.”
That’s nice, dear. We are all very shocked and impressed.