This comment didn’t get a ton of upvotes in r/mr, but it was just too idiotic to ignore:
Thanks, r/againstmensrights for pointing this one out!
We Hunted The MammothBucking the Backlash
We Hunted The MammothThis comment didn’t get a ton of upvotes in r/mr, but it was just too idiotic to ignore:
Thanks, r/againstmensrights for pointing this one out!
VoiP: The waste of half of the great minds the world has had over the years just gobsmacks me sometimes. The complete and utter waste, all the discoveries, the music and sculpture and literature… All because they had ovaries (and thus the much more important jobs of pushing out kid after kid).
You’re extremely suspicious, bordering on paranoid, sorry.
I’m just expressing my amazement that really if it weren’t for Ada Lovelace we wouldn’t have computers and the only thing you do is hating me for that. I’m focusing on her, because as you said, we wouldn’t sit here and talk to each other.
And praising people who are so much full of hate against innocent people like Mary Daly is wrong, sorry, that’s not arguing in bad faith. You argue in bad faith, I never said anything like ‘feminists need to spit on Mary Daly’s grave’.
So now we get to argue about word choice instead of about your intent! AWESOME
Me:
Simon:
Called it.
I’m sorry, but… WHAT?!?
Zombie Jesus on a pogo stick. I never said the computer wouldn’t have been invented – it already had been, by Babbage. Lovelace saw further possibilities for the difference engine than simple number crunching and began the early work in the direction of programming.
So, ARGUABLY, the computer in it’s present form (with all the attendant fun and games) would not exist without her work. I said none of this to diminish or disparage Babbage’s work – he was a fucking genius who invented something amazing. But Lovelace saw the possibilities the Babbage didn’t.
And yes, I’m bitchy when people who are competent enough to use a web browser and post comments on a blog can’t work up the 1337 skillz to use wiki. Or any of the other ten billion resources out there – Ada Lovelace Day is coming up, as I said, and I’m sure the project page will tell you everything you need to know. Google is your friend.
Simon: It would be nice if you could tag your replies so the peanut gallery knows who you’re talking to.
Not hating, irritated. You’ll know when my switch is flipped, because I get a lot nastier when I’m pissed off. I haven’t even called you a fuckwit yet!
Why are we babbling about Ada Lovelace so much? Even if she made some contribution to what is now called software engineering, I freely, even happily acknowledged that occasional women of genius exist! That should make everyone happy! I even think that it was worth it that Ms. Lovelace’s husband to go without home cooked supper while little wifey was busy developing computer programming,,,
Let me say that KathleenB–you ain’t no Ada Lovelace! Even if some exceptions are due to a mutant female with an ionospheric IQ, it says nothing about what is proper for ordinary women! For the good of everybody, kinder, kirche, kuche is very sound fare for the fair sex!
‘Nuff said!!
Now let us look at the other hundred or so MAJOR developers of what later became computers and go on from there. I haven’t counted yet, but I think we will find a LOT of Y chromosomes herein.
PEACE AND FREEDOM!!
David K. Meller
Who will feel awesome if Ada Lovelace Day is a Google Doodle? Then Simon won’t even have to type her name to look her up!
How the fuck would you know? I could be a super genius with patents and blockbuster programs to my name. (I”m not, only on the border between high average and genius on the IQ scale, no ability to invent, and an obscure, never-published program to help my husband run our Deadlands game, but that’s not really the point.)
DKM: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_computing#Timeline_of_women_in_computing
Katz: They don’t normally? I seem to recall one a couple of years ago…
It seems DKM is not familiar with history and construction of social roles. Not that DKM is even familiar with reality, so this comes as no surprise.
http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2011/07/28/normalizing-female-computer-programmers-in-the-1960s/
https://www.ischool.utexas.edu/~nathan/files/ensmenger-gender.pdf
DKM: Given that Ada was both the daughter of Byron (the poet, in case you’re the total fuckwit I think you are) and a Duchess, I’m pretty sure she didn’t do much of her own cooking.
So, David, if all men are so smart and so acomplished, what exactly have you contributed to the human race, besides your uncanny ability to post misogynistic bile on message boards?
Re above posts by KathleenB and Flib:
What do these sources “prove” that I didn’t freely acknowlege? A few (VERY few) mutant females with abilities comparable to if not superior to the majority of men in a specialized field, in this case, software development and engineering, exist.
So What?
You may find that an occasional cat burying bones in the backyard, and a dog that chases mice, but that certianly doesn’t change the GENERAL nature of cats and dogs! Or are you going to really go smartass on me and try to find a google or wiki page that cites instances where cats bark and dogs meow? Fine, then give me sweet old-fashioned girls any day of the week!!
The women(?) cited above mean nothing, when it comes to female roles and characteristics, when it comes to femininity, and when it comes to computers. “Girls just wanna have fun”, but it is MEN who developed the industry!
As far as Flib goes, citing Cosmopolitan magazine (typical female fare of boyfriends, sex,clothing, sex, cosmetics, sex, “careers”, sex, and idiot box, sex…
I wouldn’t consider it a source for advice even if I agreed with them about female computer programmers–which I don’t!
If that is an example of the “history and contruction of social roles”–as you so grandiloquently put it–I suggest returning it, and any spare issues of Cosmo you may have,to the garbage pail! I’ll take Chronicles-A magazine of American Culture, American Free Press and The Barnes Review, dedicated to REAL history, or the American Nationalist, dedicated to restoring the kind of country we all–Male and Female–should have, any day of the week !!
wishing everyone…
PEACE AND FREEDOM!!
David K. Meller
Yeah, it’s about as likely that a woman in her position would do her own cooking as it is that DKM made his own cellphone. I do sort of love the anachronistic image of Ada Lovelace as a 1950’s housewife, serving meatloaf to her husband the Earl of Lovelace when he comes home from a long day of…whatever it is earls do.
Also, DKM, you do know that in the early 19th-century cooking was a lot more difficult and dangerous than it is now, right? Not only were there basically no processed or package foods, it involved a hell of a lot of heavy lifting and open flames. You couldn’t just stick something in the oven and set the timer for 45 minutes – you had to balance heavy pots full of food over the fire and hope that you didn’t set any of those lovely, feminine, graceful long skirts ON FIRE. It was a dirty, endless, hazardous job, and certainly not something a countess would do.
So, DKM, you want to turn this into a pissing contest? Show me your ACT score and I’ll show you mine.
Also to DKM: Again, with the most politeness I can muster: READ A FUCKING BOOK! If I could hold my nose long enough to slog through Dawkins, you can consume something from outside your comfort zone.
Kathleen: They might have done her previously; she’s the kind of person they like (fascinating, but underappreciated).
Here’s just a small list of women who made major advancements in computers: Ada Lovelace – Edith Clarke – Rósa Péter – Grace Hopper – Alexandra Forsythe – Evelyn Granville – Margaret Fox – Erna Hoover – Kay Antonelli – Alice Burks – Adele Goldstine – Joan Winters.
Take note of Grace Hopper, the inventor of the fucking compiler. Ask a computer nerd just how important that was is to computers. You might be able to argue that wihout Lovelace the delay would have been slight, you can’t easily make that claim about Hopper.
And that’s what those women managed despite often facing hostile working and educational environments in male dominated fields.
Do note, DKM, I’m talking about social constructions. I wouldn’t trust much evidence from a cosmo magazine, but if you checked my second source, you’d see what the point of that was.
Also, I doubt you have any understanding of genetics, so you would be wise to shut your mouth on things you have no comprehension on.
@ Ponkz – You chose Mellor because of the incident with the young lady and the football kit as well as for his fugliness, didn’t you? Well done.
(Though the thought of anyone sucking DKM’s toes is so horrifying that I think I need a drink to wash it away.)
KathleenB–September 29, 2011@10:50pm
Sweetie, I have probably read more books in the past six months than you have read in your entire life! The difference is that I do not confine myself to feminist hate literature, trash that puts down men for being masculine, that is always comparing women to us where there is no reason to and no grounds for a valid comparison–e.g. computers and genetic research, to name two examples close to home–that is always denigrating traditional gender roles and heterosexuality, that is hateful toward men (and traditonal minded women) and is always seeking to instigate conflict between men and women!
One interesting and observant woman, I understand, Katie Roiphe, even calls feminism a form of ‘heterophobia”! I haven’t yet read her book by the same name, but I certainly shall when time and opportunity offer.
Actually, I am a little surprised that you think I am illiterate. Disagree with me as you please, My observations and opinions are cogently presented, I use words correctly, and I cite facts that are not in keeping with your prejudices. I am evidently a well-read person, even when I may be mistaken, by all available evidence here. I dib;t know everything, and don’t claim to, but I am no ignoramus either, and read copiously (not only books, but periodicals and websites as well) on subjects ranging from anthropology to economics, from physics to various types of history. I have been an audodidact my entire life, so my information is not always as well organized as it should be, and I perhaps lack a certain discipline and organization in my search for knowledge, that a person with more formal education may have developed, but I gave nobody here, including yourself, no reason to doubt either intellect or literacy.
Calm yourself down and stop writing like a woman in the throes of acute PMS!
PEACE AND FREEDOM!!
David K. Meller