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Feminism or death?

Here’s the entirety of a recent post by an MRA who calls himself Snark:

Uh, dude, I think you’ve confused “feminists” with “Daleks.”

Our new friend Fidelbogen thought this was such a brilliant idea he devoted a post to it himself, declaring:

Such economy, such concision. …

Really now, we wouldn’t go far wrong to make our rhetoric revolve around this above all, and very little more. The saying is deceptively simple, for it goes deep and reaches into many corners.

It puts them on the spot, and nails them there.

I knew Fidelbogen was a bit of a pompous doofus, but this is a whole new level of stupidity for him. I don’t even know what to say about something this idiotic.

Also, check out the comments to Snark’s piece. There’s something about potatoes you kind of have to see to believe.

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OSHIII
OSHIII
13 years ago

RE: OP

I don’t get it. How does this a “put [me] on the spot”?

AbsintheDexterous
AbsintheDexterous
13 years ago

YOU MAKE POTATO SALAD OUT OF VETERANS? WHAT KIND OF MONSTER ARE YOU?

C’mon, I use the brains too, and don’t tell me you’d totally refuse that!

Molly Ren
13 years ago

It’s not like Absinthe is using something like the *eyes*, Zombie! That’d be really unreasonable!

zombie rotten mcdonald
13 years ago

nice Jonathan Coulton ref, Molly.

Herp Derp
Herp Derp
13 years ago

I got freshly-made, hot-out-of-the-pan mashed potato dropped on my hand once. I got a second degree burn. Hot potato torture serious business >:(

Toysoldier
13 years ago

It’s not that they don’t want rape to be reported, but only “Real Rape”®. The problem is all those whiney women, overreacting to not Real Rape®, and getting innocent men suspected of being rapists.

That’s just the most horrible thing in the world.

Yeah, because it is so awesome to go to prison for a crime you did not commit and one that never happened. It is not like any innocent men have been imprisoned, tortured, or murdered because some woman made up a story. All those lynched black men were actually chasing down white women and raping them.

I know it is such a fine line between stupid and clever, but you should really learn the difference.

As for potato situation, I would have much preferred my feminist aunt to jokingly fantasize about shooting me with boiled potatoes to get me to accept feminism than have her actually maliciously shove dildos and strap-ons up my ass when I was a child to teach me how evil “patriarchy” is.

Holly Pervocracy
13 years ago

I’m sorry that happened to you.

I guess I’d sort of understand you not being able to change your opinion of feminism after that, but for the record, it’s completely unrelated.

Also, and yeah, I feel bad about saying this… you’ve got balls saying that people who make rape accusations shouldn’t be believed and then making a rape accusation.

I do believe you, I really want to be clear about that. I just wish you’d understand that other sexual abuse survivors have just as much right to be believed.

Molly Ren
13 years ago

“As for potato situation, I would have much preferred my feminist aunt to jokingly fantasize about shooting me with boiled potatoes to get me to accept feminism than have her actually maliciously shove dildos and strap-ons up my ass when I was a child to teach me how evil ‘patriarchy’ is.”

That’s not feminism, Toysoldier. That’s rape and abuse, and you’re entitled to get help for what happened to you.

Pecunium
13 years ago

toysoldier: Actual false accusations of rape are incredibly rare. Convictions from same are even more rare.

That is to say, the women who, with malice, accuse a man of committing a rape that never happened; not mistaken identity, nor the cops deciding to railroad someone.

Compared to the number of actual rapes that go unpunished, the comparison you are trying to make is specious.

And if you think the lynching of blacks was about false rape, you are either think we are stupid, or know nothing about the actual uses of lynching as a means to keep blacks, “in their place”.

And the abuse you describe, it’s not feminism, it’s abuse. Anyone who does such a thing deserves to be in prison.

NWOslave
NWOslave
13 years ago

@Pecunium

“Actual false accusations of rape are incredibly rare. Convictions from same are even more rare.”

Why lie when it’s quite clear false accusations aren’t rare in the least? The study of that small southern town showed quite clearly, not only the percentage of false accusations but the reasons as well. You further go on to state convictions are even more rare.

Let’s just save ourselves a billions of dollars and loads of time and just lock up every man on a womans word, cause we’re right back to feminism 101, no woman ever lies about rape. Until women, en masse, admit that women do lie about rape, and it isn’t incredibly rare. How can any man have faith in a womans word?
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“And if you think the lynching of blacks was about false rape, you are either think we are stupid, or know nothing about the actual uses of lynching as a means to keep blacks, “in their place”.”

It was exactly about taking a womans word at face value and killing a man. There is no excuse, other than it may taint a womans word, and therefore damage the reputation of women and feminism.
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Compared to the number of actual rapes that go unpunished, the comparison you are trying to make is specious.”

The numbers can’t be compared, Big Daddy won’t cough up the numbers for false accusations. However, a few men of concience have come forward with the actual numbers for their district, and that tells a entirely different story.
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“And the abuse you describe, it’s not feminism, it’s abuse. Anyone who does such a thing deserves to be in prison.”

It sure sounds like feminism blaming the evil patriarchy to me. A man being punished for a percieved abuse in the past that never happened.

Holly Pervocracy
13 years ago

The numbers can’t be compared, Big Daddy won’t cough up the numbers for false accusations. However, a few men of concience have come forward with the actual numbers for their district, and that tells a entirely different story

Just out of curiosity, how did they GET these numbers?

I mean, if a false accusation works, then nobody (except the accuser and accused, but one isn’t talking and one isn’t believed) knows it was false. If it doesn’t work, then the system caught it and it’s not this huge problem you’d make it out to be.

And if it gets “caught,” how do you distinguish a malicious false accusation from mistaken identity or someone who actually did commit rape but not “rape-rape”?

I’m really curious how exactly you can get these statistics on false rape accusations, and what situations they actually represent.

Holly Pervocracy
13 years ago

Oooh, I bet this question will make NWO absolutely explode:

Hey NWO:

Do men ever lie about rape?

Herp Derp
Herp Derp
13 years ago

NWO: That is not a man being “punished” in a feminist’s eyes. That is a man being “punished” in an abuser’s eyes — it is not feminism, it is abuse. Just because a person calls themselves a feminist and is also an abuser, doesn’t mean every feminist is an abuser. Pretty simple concept to grasp.

Just because the abuser claims the abuse is some lesson in “feminism” doesn’t mean it actually has anything to do with any real feminist principle — abusers claim a lot of bullshit in attempts to rationalize to themselves and their victims that what they’re doing is “right”. Abusers come with every political/religious/what-have-you view in the world; the one thing they have in common is that they twist absolutely any belief to rationalize their abuse.

It is not a feminist mindset. It is simply an abusive mindset claiming “feminism” as its cover.

Moewicus
Moewicus
13 years ago

Owlslave is incoherent as usual, but it’s not usual I’m aware enough of the thread to see just how much.

The study of that small southern town showed quite clearly, not only the percentage of false accusations but the reasons as well. You further go on to state convictions are even more rare.

I see your “small southern town study” and raise you “multiple peer reviewed studies with sound methodology showing the false accusation rate is between 2-8%”.

It was exactly about taking a womans word at face value and killing a man. There is no excuse, other than it may taint a womans word, and therefore damage the reputation of women and feminism.

So according to you most or all lynchings of blacks in the United States involved rape accusations? Interesting, given that according to wikipedia:
“African-American journalist and anti-lynching crusader Ida B. Wells wrote in the 1890s that black lynching victims were accused of rape or attempted rape only about one-third of the time. The most prevalent accusation was murder or attempted murder, followed by a list of infractions that included verbal and physical aggression, spirited business competition and independence of mind. White lynch mobs formed to restore the perceived social order.”

This is the part where you dismiss the point in a huff about people being wiki-smart, right?

It sure sounds like feminism blaming the evil patriarchy to me. A man being punished for a percieved abuse in the past that never happened.

Wow. The context. You do not get it. So badly.

Pecunium
13 years ago

NWO: Care to discuss the syntax of Russian?

How about the number of vowels?

What about the number of tenses (You have two options, actual tenses, or commonly understood by native speakers)?

Care to explain how it is I said women who perpetrate the abuse Toysoldier says was performed on him ought to go to prison? You can add that to the woman I think ought to be in jail for reckless endangerment with a firearm.

Why, all things considered (your appalling innumeracy, ignorance of biology, inaccuracies on the subjects of alphabets, or language; your provable lies about things we say; and which are in writing for all to see), should we believe anything you say?

Holly Pervocracy
13 years ago

NWO, remember – If there’s any positions that you can’t defend, just say the opposite but exaggerate it and sound really angry!

That always works spectacularly.

Pecunium
13 years ago

Moewicus: No, that’s another chapter in the Big Book O’ Larnin’.

There is NO CONTEXT.

None. It just is. The past, not relevant. The present, not relevant. Only the facts presented by an NWOslave are material. Everything else, irrelevant.

There is No Context. Ever.

Unless he needs it. Then Context is Incontrovertible.

Moewicus
Moewicus
13 years ago

I have so much to learn! Thank you, Pecunium.

Although as I think about it Owlslave may have been referring to the correct thing. That last bit seemed like it was still talking about lynching when a re-read shows that he is probably talking about the awful abuse by ToySoldier’s aunt. In my defense I don’t see how sexually abusing a child is in any way “blaming the evil patriarchy” so I might be exonerated on the grounds that he’s vague and incoherent. The denial that patriarchy ever perpetuated abuses also threw me off the trail: Owlslave, when communicating with other people it helps to have some points of contact with reality.

Moewicus
Moewicus
13 years ago

Like knowing the fact that Cyrillic is a separate alphabet when you use refer to it by way of analogy.

paniorpa
13 years ago

I told my girlfriend to leave the house today, in case french rugbyplayers get their ass kicked by All Blacks.

This is what I learnt in my anger management course: whenever you expect to be in a battering mood, send your woman back to her parents.

Go France!

katz
13 years ago

New idea, guys: From now on, we never contradict anything NWO says. We just say “tell me more” and write it all in the book of larnin’.

leosalloum
leosalloum
13 years ago

@NWO: (sigh)

I don’t see the fun in this, but let’s clear something up anyway. You say that black men were lynched in the southern US because the mob was “taking a womans word at face value and killing a man.”

Can we be clear here? Do you think that white men were lynched when black women claimed to be raped? Or that, in fact, anyone was punished at all when black women claimed to be raped? At least adjust the statement so that it says “taking a white woman’s word at face value and killing a black man.”

But then, if you did that, it would become more an issue of race then of feminism (which was not a powerful force in the deep southern US during the period that lynching was common). So you would have to be an anti-racist advocate.

Hey, great! Welcome to the team. By they way, many of us are also feminists.

tatjna
tatjna
13 years ago

That potato thing is not particularly imaginative – I reckon the guy’s just seen Cop Out and bastardised the baseball-machine torture method of the main bad guy in that.

A little creepy but the dude’s not even using original material.

NWOslave
NWOslave
13 years ago

@Moewicus
“African-American journalist and anti-lynching crusader Ida B. Wells wrote in the 1890s that black lynching victims were accused of rape or attempted rape only about one-third of the time. The most prevalent accusation was murder or attempted murder, followed by a list of infractions that included verbal and physical aggression, spirited business competition and independence of mind. White lynch mobs formed to restore the perceived social order.”

Only 1/3 of the lynchings were false accusations? How nice, and forgivable as well. Now if 66% were for other crimes, and women, the accusers of those alleged crimes made up 1/2 of those accusations. That means women make 66% of the accusations. women using men to commit violence on their behalf for the lies they’ve told. Why would you excuse these actions? The saturation of feminism in modern society simply won’t allow you to hold women accountable for their actions.
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@leosalloum
“Can we be clear here? Do you think that white men were lynched when black women claimed to be raped? Or that, in fact, anyone was punished at all when black women claimed to be raped? At least adjust the statement so that it says “taking a white woman’s word at face value and killing a black man.”

But then, if you did that, it would become more an issue of race then of feminism (which was not a powerful force in the deep southern US during the period that lynching was common). So you would have to be an anti-racist advocate.”

So women are sexist and racist, shocking isn’t it? As the Duke case was brought up on this thread. Isn’t this a case of a racism as well? They were a bunch of spoiled crackers so I guess it’s OK. What’s the difference between a white women smugly watching a black man getting lynched on her behalf, or a black woman trying to get a bunch of white men lynched, and team woman stampeding to her gospel word? One used mob violence, the other used State violence. They both used their sex to have men commit violence on their behalf? Didn’t that lovely girl go on to muder some man? I’m sure, even as we speak, some feminist organization is portraying her as a victim.

Also, I recently gave you a link to women’s prisons being shut down to balance the budget. She’ll probably be spending time in a spa for women, maybe they’ll renovate a luxury resort as the new womens correctional facility. The modern day woman blames everything on the evil white male patriarchy. Am I supposed to be inspired women are racist against white men instead of black men? Let’s just say I won’t be joining the racist, sexist “team” anytime too soon.

Pecunium
13 years ago

NWOslave: We answered you about the alphabetic roots, and vowels, and syntax of Russian, care to set us straight on the subject?

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