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Feminism or death?

Here’s the entirety of a recent post by an MRA who calls himself Snark:

Uh, dude, I think you’ve confused “feminists” with “Daleks.”

Our new friend Fidelbogen thought this was such a brilliant idea he devoted a post to it himself, declaring:

Such economy, such concision. …

Really now, we wouldn’t go far wrong to make our rhetoric revolve around this above all, and very little more. The saying is deceptively simple, for it goes deep and reaches into many corners.

It puts them on the spot, and nails them there.

I knew Fidelbogen was a bit of a pompous doofus, but this is a whole new level of stupidity for him. I don’t even know what to say about something this idiotic.

Also, check out the comments to Snark’s piece. There’s something about potatoes you kind of have to see to believe.

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CassandraSays
CassandraSays
13 years ago

Like magnets, katz. It’s all a great cosmic mystery.

KathleenB
KathleenB
13 years ago

Rev: Your density is approaching that of a black hole. You might want to read the provided links, find a 101 blog or a blog with a 101 section (I like Shakesville, but not everyone does), and think about what you’ve been told. Because you keep saying these words, but they really don’t mean what you think they mean.

Kollege Messerschmitt
13 years ago

@katz
grammar, statistics – learn and lurk
Fucking antecedents, how do they work?
And I don’t wanna talk to a feminist
Y’all motherfuckers lying, and getting me pissed

@red locker
Ugh, now that you say it, that does sound a bit like Dave Sim.
Do you think I should link that page on the forum even though it’s not in english?

RevSpinnaker
13 years ago

Polliwog:

“I mean, dude, have you ever so much as spoken to any feminists ever?”

You bet. My sister is a card carrying member of N.O.W. So is her significant other. I remember reading her first edition of “Our Bodies, Ourselves.” In earlier posts I mentioned attending feminist lectures at college including Germaine Greer. I’ve read a great deal of feminist perspectives about child sexual abuse. I went as far as to call Susan Brownmiller to disagree with her “rape culture” perspective as she applied it to child sexual abuse. I even spoke to Chrstina Hoff Sommers (but I’m sure you don’t consider her a feminist) for a good half hour about the 11 out of 17 no shows at the 2008 Vagina Monologues Convention. That’s when Oprah and 10 out of 17 other advertised headline acts blew Eve off. There were reports of Eve Ensler weeping backstage and class action lawsuits. There was no press coverage which is unusual for the P.T. Barnum of feminism. Something big must have happened.

Maybe they all finally read the monologue, “The Little Coochi Snorcher that Could.” The one about the 26 year old woman plying a 13 year old girl with alcohol and “seducing” her. The girl concluded, “If that was rape it was good rape.”

RevSpinnaker
13 years ago

Kollege Kat:

“Because “it” ( pagents promoted and patronized by women) teaches [other] women that their only value is in their appearance. Next!”

What did the Patriarchy have to do with that again?

…you gotta be fucking kidding.

If pagentry were institutionalized, like the patriarchy, then wouldn’t it be taught in public school? Pagents are strictly voluntary. Would you agree some women use sex as power? Or as a coersive means to a self-interested end? Isn’t THAT what pagentry teaches girls? Those “values” are passed intergenerationally from mother to daughter. If anything, pagentry, homecoming queens, cheerleaders etc. are matriarchal social constructs. I mean can you imagine a bunch of guys coming up with homecoming queens?

Moewicus
Moewicus
13 years ago

I’ve seen things you people wouldn’t believe.
Attack ships on fire off the should of Orion.
I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate.
All these moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.

Maybe they all finally read the monologue, “The Little Coochi Snorcher that Could.” The one about the 26 year old woman plying a 13 year old girl with alcohol and “seducing” her. The girl concluded, “If that was rape it was good rape.”

You keep bringing this up. Do you honestly think the author of this piece was condoning rape? It’s not a rhetorical question, I’ve not heard of it before.

red_locker
13 years ago

@Kollege Messerschmitt

Sure, go ahead, post about in on the fourms. It’ll be an interesting conversation piece. 😀

red_locker
13 years ago

@Kollege Messerschmitt: Plus, maybe Dave can write about it?

darksidecat
13 years ago

So, one conservative non-feminist, and Germaine Greer, my comment about them skipping Hooks and going right to Greer was a very good prediction.

@revspinakker, because male statutory rapist and abusers are never, ever praised or apologized for

-Lolita, hello

-Mallrats contains numerous mentions of statutory rape of a girl by men

also,

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0226009/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Education

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0117482/

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0796302/

Aslo, come on, have you not seen the statutory rape threads on manboobz? There are a shit ton of statutory rape advocates among MRAs, so you might want to check your double standards.

Moewicus
Moewicus
13 years ago

I mean can you imagine a bunch of guys coming up with homecoming queens?

It’s funny that you bring up P.T. Barnum in your very next post, since he is involved in the history of beauty pageants. According to Wikipedia:

Choosing symbolic kings and queens for May Day and other festivities is an ancient custom in Europe in which beautiful young women symbolized their nations’ virtues and other abstract ideas. At the Eglinton Tournament of 1839 – a re-enactment of a medieval joust and revel held in Scotland in which many distinguished guests took part and which gained much public attention at the time – a Queen of Beauty was chosen, Georgiana Sheridan, the wife of Edward Seymour, 12th Duke of Somerset and sister of noted author Caroline Norton.
The first modern American pageant was staged by P. T. Barnum in 1854, but his beauty contest was closed down by public protest. He previously held dog, baby, and bird beauty contests. He substituted daguerreotypes for judging, a practice quickly adopted by newspapers. Newspapers held photo beauty contests for many decades: In 1880, the first “Bathing Beauty Pageant” took place as part of a summer festival to promote business in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware.
Contests became a regular part of summer beach life, with the most elaborate contests taking place in Atlantic City, New Jersey (“Fall Frolic”) and Galveston, Texas (“Splash Day”), where the events attracted women from many cities and towns.[2]
Universal produced a newsreel of the Texas Centennial Celebration beauty pageant in 1935, which shows models attempting to fit into life-sized cutouts of the Centennial Committee’s concept of the “perfect figure.”[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beauty_pageant

In short, you might want to look shit up before you talk out of your butt. BTW, the Eglinton tournament mentioned was “funded and organized by Archibald Montgomerie, 13th Earl of Eglinton”. And yes, I can imagine men in a patriarchal culture setting up a competition in which women were systematically presented and judged according to their beauty, even if I didn’t have wikipedia to tell me they did.

red_locker
13 years ago

“If pagentry were institutionalized, like the patriarchy, then wouldn’t it be taught in public school? Pagents are strictly voluntary. Would you agree some women use sex as power? Or as a coersive means to a self-interested end? Isn’t THAT what pagentry teaches girls? Those “values” are passed intergenerationally from mother to daughter. If anything, pagentry, homecoming queens, cheerleaders etc. are matriarchal social constructs. I mean can you imagine a bunch of guys coming up with homecoming queens?”

Mmm…

Interesting word salad here. There’s the rankcluelessness, which has a nice texture, and the context dodging is cool and crisp, but it’s missing some…information. And the gish gallop isn’t fully done yet.

All in all, an interesting dish, but you have a long way to go before “Iron Chef”.

NullPointer
NullPointer
13 years ago

If anything, pagentry, homecoming queens, cheerleaders etc. are matriarchal social constructs. I mean can you imagine a bunch of guys coming up with homecoming queens?

http://finallyfeminism101.wordpress.com/2007/03/21/faq-isnt-the-patriarchy-just-some-conspiracy-theory-that-blames-all-men-even-decent-men-for-womens-woes/

Patriarchy is not “a bunch of guys”. You really aren’t going to be able to discuss this issue until you understand what the patriarchy is, so perhaps you should read up on it and then come back.

RevSpinnaker
13 years ago

Moewicus: It does appear that way. Perhaps in a tittilating, is this really wrong, Mary Kay LaTourneau kind of way. The age of the girl was much later changed to 16, after the Monologues were already entrenched in American Academia.

“I’ve seen things you people wouldn’t believe.
Attack ships on fire off the should of Orion.
I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate.
All these moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.”

Is that your’s? Is it part of larger poem? Sounds interesting.

red_locker
13 years ago

“Is that your’s? Is it part of larger poem? Sounds interesting.”

So you’ve never seen Blade Runner?

I thought you were clueless before, but this takes the cake.

Moewicus
Moewicus
13 years ago

Rev: it’s from the movie Bladerunner.

And here’s one o’ them Matriarchs I keep hearing about talking to her daughter about the new Starfire:

http://io9.com/5844355/a-7+year+old-girl-responds-to-dc-comics-sexed+up-reboot-of-starfire

RevSpinnaker
13 years ago

red_locker: Sorry didn’t see Blade Runner. As such it seemed a little out-of-context to me. It was intended as a compliment. Would not having seen Blade Runner make a feminist clueless too?

red_locker
13 years ago

“red_locker: Sorry didn’t see Blade Runner. As such it seemed a little out-of-context to me. It was intended as a compliment. Would not having seen Blade Runner make a feminist clueless too?”

No…look…I was joking, ok?

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
13 years ago

There are no jokes here! Humor is one of the matriarchy’s more evil creations, and it must be stamped out.

RevSpinnaker
13 years ago

Moewicus: Thanks for the link. I never said the matriarchy was all bad, as implied about the patriarchy in the link from NullPointer. This mother is night and day from the toddlers & tiaras type. If she treats her boys the same way they’ll grow up to love women. Regarding the sexist content of DC Comics I couldn’t agree more. I also find the new beefed-up macho Tony the Tiger and the changes of many sports franchises, which make their mascots look tougher and meaner, to be equally offensive.

RevSpinnaker
13 years ago

red_locker: “No…look…I was joking, ok?”

I’m not exactly preaching to the choir here, so sometimes it’s a little hard to tell.

katz
13 years ago

OK, normally I would embed the scene in question so you could watch it, but this really is one of the greatest endings in cinema history and it doesn’t work half as well out of context, so all I can say is: Go watch it. Now. The director’s cut, NOT the theatrical cut (unfortunately it’s the latter that’s on Netflix streaming, so get the disk instead).

katz
13 years ago

Here’s the Hades Landscape instead. It’s the opening scene, so it isn’t a spoiler.

RevSpinnaker
13 years ago

darksidecat:

“-Mallrats contains numerous mentions of statutory rape of a girl by men”

So this justities the Little Coochi Snorcher that Could? That’s a little like saying the evils of the patriarchy justifies abusive behavior towards men. Isn’t that what Toysoldier is saying about feminism?

Rutee Katreya
13 years ago

Rev, you’re not very good at reading comprehension. You’re pretending this is just a feminist thing. It’s demonstrably not. You’re too stupid to talk to, you just keep not understanding what other people are saying. You and Toy Soldier should get together, match made in heaven.

RevSpinnaker
13 years ago

Thanks Katz: They’ve got Blade Runner free on 1channel. I’m not big into action sci-fi but I wasn’t into murderous cannibalism either. Everyone was saying how great “Silence of the Lambs” was. When I finally worked up the nerve to watch it I found they were right. I’m sure the same will go for Blade Runner, I’ve heard before it’s a great flick so I’ll check it out. I’m more of a comedy fan and have “Smoke Signals” set to go right now. Showtime. You can also catch “It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia ” at 1channel. Thats where all the toddlers and tiaras stuff came from.

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