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Links: Jezebel on Reddit’s Jailbait drama

Jezebel’s Anna North has an interesting piece up on the return of Reddit’s ultra-skeezy Jailbait subreddit – and on the surprising number of vocal redditors who think that pedophilia ephebophilia is perfectly “natural.”

Oh, and here’s the Men’s Rights subreddit’s response to the Jezebel piece.

 

 

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Amnesia
Amnesia
10 years ago

Never mind that some of the most harassed women in the world wear burqas, no, sexual harassment is purely the fault of fifteen year olds going out in public in clothes they see most of their peer group wearing. Clothes specifically advertised to them by adults, for that matter.

Brandon
Brandon
10 years ago

@Sharculese: Men typically are geared to see younger women as more attractive than older women. If you showed a picture of Scarlett Johansson and say Christy Brinkley to a bunch of random straight men and asked them which one was more attractive…I would bet money the average would be higher for Scarlett.

There is a limit though, which is why we have age of consent and age of majority laws.

Holly Pervocracy
Holly Pervocracy
10 years ago

I think this is an appropriate time to re-raise the question of how women should dress.

NWO, care to give an example of an appropriate outfit for a woman, one that does not inappropriately sexually arouse men?

(This is fun, because he’s too Islamophobic to name a burqa or niqab. So he’s working with “Western” clothes, and as far as he’s considered, they’re all slutty. It truly put him in a bind.)

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

Jesus, NWO, are you for real?

NWOslave
NWOslave
10 years ago

@Holly Pervocracy
“I wish to sexually excite my boyfriend. So I dress up sexy, in the see-through shirt and postage-stamp skirt of your sexual fantasies.”

Well now at least we’re getting somewhere. This statement you made, signifies you know without a doubt that dressing in such a manner is done for one reason only, to sexually excite men. That’s good, you’ve taken a baby step into reality. Now your next statement is where you slip back into feminist fantasy.
———————————————-
“On the way to his house, I stop to pick up groceries. Can I expect to be harassed by men in the store? Do I deserve it? Do you think I wanted it?”

You can expect to be treated like you’re trying to sexually excite and attract any man within eyeshot of course. Calling it harassment is denial of accountability. So if women would dress modestly in public, (gasp). And if you choose to dress sexy for your boyfriend/husband, maintaining your beloved sexual agency, women would be treated with respect, instead of sluts. Not only that, but you would also be showing respect and loyalty to your boyfriend/husband by saving your sexuality for him alone. Heresy, isn’t it?

Brandon
Brandon
10 years ago

@Holly: A Burqa

Holly Pervocracy
Holly Pervocracy
10 years ago

NWO, I don’t live with my boyfriend. Do I need to wear different clothes just for the trip to his house?

If so, what should those clothes look like?

NWOslave
NWOslave
10 years ago

Gosh durn it. You folks have already got me started answering questions while giving nothing in return. So here’s my question Holly. What do you think is an appropriate way for women to dress?

NWOslave
NWOslave
10 years ago

@Holly Pervocracy
“NWO, I don’t live with my boyfriend. Do I need to wear different clothes just for the trip to his house?”

Nice try precious, I’ll answer no more questions until I get some answers.

Holly Pervocracy
Holly Pervocracy
10 years ago

I’ll answer if you will.

I think that it’s appropriate for women to dress in accordance with the dress codes of their schools or workplaces, to wear shirts and shoes in foodservice areas, and to avoid violating indecent exposure laws–in practical terms, this means covering her nipples and genitalia in most of the US.

Beyond that, I think anything a woman wears is appropriate, and how a man decides to respond to that is his decision.

Now what’s your answer? You seem to want to be more restrictive–but that requires you to name some restrictions. Are there any specific body parts other than nipples and genitalia you think should be covered, and any you think are okay to expose?

Pecunium
10 years ago

NWO: What do you think is an appropriate way for women to dress?

Any way she pleases.

Now it’s your turn.

Amnesia
Amnesia
10 years ago

So, NWOslave, is there any way that men can dress that would invalidate their right to not be harassed by random women on the street? Is a man in a speedo at the beach asking for women to stare at his dick, even if he’s with his partner? Can women be expected to not lift the skirt of, well, a guy in a skirt?

Holly Pervocracy
Holly Pervocracy
10 years ago

(By the way, NWO, you should be chuffed that we’re asking you questions. It means you get to explain your viewpoints to us. I thought that’s what you were here to do.

When we answer questions, that just means you have to listen to our boring ol’ opinions, and I thought you didn’t like that.)

captainbathrobe
10 years ago

I know you don’t want to answer any questions, slave, but I just have to ask:

What part of you being alone and childless is your own fault? Surely it can’t all be the fault of feminism. You claim to be in favor of personal responsibility. So I ask you: what part of your predicament can be blamed on no one but you? Anything at all?

Comrade Svilova
10 years ago

Women should dress however they want.

NWOslave
NWOslave
10 years ago

@Holly Pervocracy

Hardly a valid answer precious. But I’ll answer anyway. Since you know, as you yourself have stated, women dress in less specifically to excite and elicit attention from men. Women do this freely and don’t care about the effect. Therefore, if men say nice ass, or nice tits, or ya wanna fuck, there is no reason for men to care about the effect that has on women. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

In the end, all women will be treated like sluts because they are sluts, and all men will be treated like jerks because they are jerks. Women made the first move when they decided sexually teasing men was acceptable and damned be the consequences, men countered by treating women equally shitty. Knight to king’s pawn, your move.

Bostonian
Bostonian
10 years ago

But captain, he cannot go after the all important 15 year old girl population! Without that handicap, he could have the relationship he wants!

As it is right now, he cannot bring himself to go after the aged 16 year old girls he sees, hobbling along with their walkers.

Shaenon
10 years ago

NWO, where do you live that every woman is walking around–sorry, “prancing around”–in next to nothing? Because I’m sure there are many straight guys reading this who would be happy to move there.

Or does “next to nothing” mean, like, shorts? Or a bathing suit at the beach? I know people keep asking you this and getting no response, but what could a woman or underage girl wear that you would find acceptable?

Why not show your cis-gendered, male-identified dad your glorious work. Let me know how that works out for ya.

As far as I know, my dad is aware that I’m opposed to men yelling “Nice tits” from their cars, and shares my feelings on the matter.

Holly Pervocracy
Holly Pervocracy
10 years ago

NWO, I’m disappointed. That is not an answer to the question “how should women dress to not be sluts?”

In fact, that appears to be *puts on jeweler’s loupe, squints* a completely unrelated generic misogynist rant. Number #43 off your stock list, if I’m not mistaken.

Holly Pervocracy
Holly Pervocracy
10 years ago

Although I suppose this is sort of an answer:

In the end, all women will be treated like sluts because they are sluts,

So women in burqas are dressed like sluts.

…that settles that, I guess.

NWOslave
NWOslave
10 years ago

@Comrade Svilova

“Women should dress however they want.”

And men should speak to women however they want.

Holly Pervocracy
Holly Pervocracy
10 years ago

Wait, this is blowing my mind.

All women (including women in burqas) are sluts, and dress like sluts.
Therefore, all women deserve the harassment they get from all men.

But… some men do not harass women!

How on earth does NWO cosmology explain this bizarre event?

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

Ah, I see we’re at the “I’ve answered your questions, now answer mine” part of the program. I’ll give NWO this–he is consistent.

NWO, sweetie, how should a woman dress? C’mon, tell us.

Amnesia
Amnesia
10 years ago

Knight to king’s pawn, your move.

Who wants to tell him we’re playing backgammon?

Shaenon
10 years ago

What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

I agree. When women go out in skimpy outfits, men should respond by putting on skimpy outfits of their own and shaking what mama gave them. I fully support this proposal.

Amnesia
Amnesia
10 years ago

@Shaenon
Seconded.

ozymandias42
10 years ago

XDXDXD

NWO, I will be helpful. Are you willing to endorse:
–The 1 in 3 Rule, which suggests that women may emphasize ass OR legs OR breasts, but not more than one.
–The 40% Rule, which suggests that women must cover 60% of their skin.
–Shapeless long-sleeved peasant dresses for all women.
–Blue jeans and baggy T-shirts, possibly related to Star Wars, for all women.
—-The same as the above, but all the women bind.
–The Rebulution Modesty Survey: http://www.therebelution.com/modestysurvey/. For instance, this survey suggests that, even with a T-shirt or other covering, tankinis with bikini bottoms, bikinis and any swimsuit which bares cleavage or the stomach are immodest, but all other swimsuits are modest.
–Burqas.

NWOslave
NWOslave
10 years ago

@Shaenon

“As far as I know, my dad is aware that I’m opposed to men yelling “Nice tits” from their cars, and shares my feelings on the matter.”

Is he oppossed to his little girl hooking up with 30, 40 or 50 different men? Wether you personally do that is irrelevant. What is relevant is you support your right to do that. Why not casually ask him, “Hey dad, I’d kinda like to fuck a whole wack of different men, ya know, explore my sexuality.”

Why not show up wearing a see-thru top, micro-skirt and pantyless the next time you visit dead old dad. If he gives ya any shit, just tell him he doesn’t own your sexuality. Let me know how that works out for ya? I mean if you’re gonna talk the talk, walk the walk.

ozymandias42
10 years ago

Shaenon: Thirded. SKIMPY CLOTHING FOR EVERYONE.

ozymandias42
10 years ago

I’m not sure why my dad’s opinions are entirely relevant.

Holly Pervocracy
Holly Pervocracy
10 years ago

Ozy – He sort of cracked and said “all women are sluts,” presumably including women who wear burqas, women who dress in men’s clothing, and women who have never had sex and never want to. It may or may not include infant girls, but definitely includes teenage ones, who, as we know, always wear transparent porn star clothing.

So I guess that’s his answer… of a sort.

Aloren
Aloren
10 years ago

That sounds religious minded NWO. Which wot count for those with no religion or faiths.

What about those not saving their so called sexuality for anyone? I know I am not as I identify as asexual/non-sexual. I can’t wear skirts or shirts or sleaveless tops? I am in Texas and it is hot. Am I forced into wearing “modest” ( every person has a differing opinion on what that is) clothes because of other peoples outdated and useless thoughts. Out of fear of how they see me?

((To be honest I do not usually wear anything that could be seen as sexy but that because I find it uncomfortable and have enough to worry about just leaving my house than feel body anxiety because of my clothes.)) But this is me and my issues and in no way makes it wrong for other to wear exactly what they want without being harrassed by anyone. Unless it’s beyond the level of the law in which case the law enforcers should call them out.

NWOslave
NWOslave
10 years ago

@Shaenon

“I agree. When women go out in skimpy outfits, men should respond by putting on skimpy outfits of their own and shaking what mama gave them. I fully support this proposal.”

A guy did that at the beach last year, he was rightfully arrested for indecent exposure.

Snowy
Snowy
10 years ago

All right, I guess if everyone else is doing it, might as well put on this see-thru top, micro-skirt and pantyless that I had lying around in my closet and go visit my dad!

NWOslave
NWOslave
10 years ago

@Aloren
“But this is me and my issues and in no way makes it wrong for other to wear exactly what they want without being harrassed by anyone.”

If a man gets sexually excited/frustrated by the way a woman dresses it’s his problem, right? He doesn’t have to look. If a woman gets sexually insulted by the way a man talks she doesn’t have to listen. No difference at all.

Brandon
Brandon
10 years ago

@David: One can only wish to live in a porno. Attractive women, bad acting and sex on the flimsiest pretext.

Holly Pervocracy
Holly Pervocracy
10 years ago

Whoa. This is breaking my brain doublewise.

I think the reason NWO says all women are sluts isn’t because he considers burqas slutty. It’s because he considers them nonexistant.

In NWO-world, all women wear is (very specifically) transparent shirts, micro-miniskirts, and no panties.

You go to the doctor, and the doctor is wearing a transparent shirt, micro-mini, and no panties. That shakes you up a bit, so you go downstairs to the coffeeshop, where the barista is wearing a transparent shirt, micro-mini, and no panties. The woman next to you, who’s wearing a transparent shirt, micro-mini, and no panties, asks you what’s wrong and why you’re staring like that.

Outside, on the sidewalk, a group of nuns in transparent shirts, micro-minis, and no panties walk by.

Amnesia
Amnesia
10 years ago

It seems we have entered the Twilight Zone.

Bostonian
Bostonian
10 years ago

There really is a giant difference in wearing things and yelling things. Most people know this.

NWO cannot get over the massive injustice that is the lack of legal access to 15 year old girls, so he does not.

Won’t someone think of the sadly oppressed man? Made to contemplate dating the 16 year olds, even thought they are too, too old to even look at at that point?

Comrade Svilova
10 years ago

If a man gets sexually excited/frustrated by the way a woman dresses it’s his problem, right? He doesn’t have to look. If a woman gets sexually insulted by the way a man talks she doesn’t have to listen. No difference at all.

Head, meet desk.

I’m a gay woman with a high libido. I’ve literally dropped things I was holding when a gorgeous woman walked by. And the last thing I would think is that the beautiful women I see walking about in attractive clothing are harassing me. I’ve been catcalled and shouted at by dudes too. Let me tell you, NWOSlave, the experiences have NOTHING in common.

NWOslave
NWOslave
10 years ago

@David Futrelle
“Dude, where do you live if you see women dressed like this on a regular basis? Do you live in a porn video?”

I travel the world as I’ve stated. Everyone here is telling me anything a woman chooses to wear or not wear is appropriate. Is that true or not? If a den mother chooses to wear a skimpy outfit for the scouts it’s her choice. Probably cause a bit of sexual dysfunction for the lads but that’s their problem, right? Her choice is paramount. In for a penny in for a pound ladies. Don’t get sqeamish on me now.

Sharculese
10 years ago

now that weve established that owlslave basically thinks women consent to be sex objects by going out in public and breathing, id like to remind him of these two excellent questions from cpt bathrobe:

Attractive women and girls seem to infuriate you more than anything else. Why do you think that is?

and

What part of you being alone and childless is your own fault? Surely it can’t all be the fault of feminism. You claim to be in favor of personal responsibility. So I ask you: what part of your predicament can be blamed on no one but you? Anything at all?

more the second than the first. owlslave, you always seem to be the victim of something, so what, if anything, in your life is your responsibility?

Holly Pervocracy
Holly Pervocracy
10 years ago

So, what should a den mother wear for the scouts?

(Assuming she has anything in her closet other than transparent shirts, micro-minis, and no panties, of course. But maybe she can go shopping or something.)

NWOslave
NWOslave
10 years ago

@Comrade Svilova

You’re a woman, you don’t think like a man, so any thoughts you have on the subject can only relate to how a woman thinks. Men and women are different.

Rutee Katreya
10 years ago

NWO thinks women can’t possibly be dressed for any other reason than to influence men. Which is bizarre because he also thinks homosexuals exist, and actively recruit. But givent he first premise, it’s not surprising he actually thinks that these two things are equivalent.

Amnesia
Amnesia
10 years ago

If a woman is wearing something that does not conform to dress codes in place, then it is the job of the authorities to let her know that it is inappropriate, not the job of random men to harass her for it.

Rutee Katreya
10 years ago

You’re a woman, you don’t think like a man, so any thoughts you have on the subject can only relate to how a woman thinks. Men and women are different.

Statement assumes facts not in evidence.

NWOslave
NWOslave
10 years ago

@Holly Pervocracy

“So, what should a den mother wear for the scouts?”

According to the rules of women, your rules, she can wear nothing at all and it is appropriate. Everyone of you has clearly stated that anything a woman wears or doesn’t wear is appropriate. Don’t go all republican, conservative on me.

Sharculese
10 years ago

@amnesia

you forget that authority figures are agents of feminist-induced state-sponsored violence against men. you cant count on them to put those filthy skanks in their places.