Cosmetics: An evil plot to fool the men of the world into thinking that ladies are pretty

But seriously, I really do wonder why THIS is the subject Hengist wants to stake his claim on. It just seems like such a sad thing to back into a corner defending. I don’t know people who dislike being harassed! It helps men bond!

Freaking misandric, right?

shaenon, that’s terrible they acted that way. I don’t think most of them have a plan for what to do if someone responds to their behavior. When you looked back at them, they were probably nervous because they knew they were acting like jackasses. Some harassers laugh when people look or glare at them for the way they act, because they want the attention, though. There’s no right or wrong way to respond. The harassers should just stop harassing.

Hengist, forget feminist rhetoric for a second. Isn’t it perfectly reasonable to assume that someone who is harassing you doesn’t have your best interests in mind? I used to get yelled at by assholes in pickup trucks because I rode a bike and had long hair. Most of the time, I was safe enough ignoring it. Occasionally, I got hit with disposable drink cups and, in one case, a lit cigarette butt (no, I never got the license number). Other times, they would follow close and honk their horn in an effort to startle me, then drive off laughing. Somehow, I never got the impression that these guys were just being friendly. And I doubt that impression would change if they were ogling my body.

But, CB, there is a fundamental difference between you and women. Many women are choosing these men as partners and to sire their thugspawn. I’ve seen feminist women choose this type (discovering their sensitive side, and “he’s not like all the others”). You, on the other hand, will probably never have anything to do with this type, unless one of them lands you in hospital. The reason that many feminist women fixate on this kind of man is that one way or another, they fall within their scope of legitimate partner options – their definitions of what a man should be. Sure, they hate this kind of man on the surface, but there is a part of them that is drawn to the bad-boy stereotype. They are noticing the bad-boys that trigger something in their primal instincts. [That’s the point I was trying to make in my most recent posts after inbibing in some glasses of wine].

They are noticing the bad-boys, while your own type, for the most part, are invisible to them. When a woman’s sexuality is primed with certain definitions of masculinity, it’s actually very difficult for them to ignore the behavior of a yob, because their’s a subtle love-hate thing going on in their heads, pressing all the buttons.

There is no doubt that these types of men are arseholes, we can ALL agree on that, the ladies included. But they are arseholes with legitimacy. Many women like them that way. And that’s what I mean when I say that feminist women notice them and fixate on them, because in one way or another, subconsciously, they appeal to their primal sexual drives and definitions, whether they like it or not, whether they recognize it or not. And, one way or another, other women (and often feminists) are choosing them. And feminist women do often choose them, via frat parties. When women choose this type, this type becomes validated with a stamp of approval. Their women are in effect saying, “I like what you do. Keep doing it”. They are fraternizing with the enemy… your enemy.

I fucking knew that’s what Chuck was getting at earlier. Of course, we want to fuck these nimrods, it’s all so clear now. Tell me, Chuck, do you live on Earth?

Eat a dick.

Your theory may be true for some women, but not all.

Of course. I never suggested anything different. But I do take it further in the sense that the fixations of feminist women wrt the types of men that they notice derive their motivations from some undercurrent of sexual impulse/curiosity. In other words, the theory is true for quite a large number of women.if we include this latent sexuality that secretly yearns to be discovered. Women’s rape fantasies can often tap into this latent sexuality with knobs.

But they are arseholes with legitimacy

No. They are not. And the fact that some women may not object to them certainly does not legitimize them.

CED, I get a distinct feeling that you are one of the verbal harassment types, and are trying to justify your own behavior.

I’m amused by the notion that the guy who has spent several pages arguing that women should enjoy being harassed isn’t one of the “bad boys.”

or what shaenon said. Dammit, zombie, read all the comments before hitting submit.

for CED, ‘notice’ apparently means ‘wants to fuck”.

Perhaps if he used longer words it would be more understandable.

Women having rape fantasies has nothing to do with getting harassed in real life. The thing about fantasies is they are safe and the person having the fantasy is in complete control. I like scary movies, but I wouldn’t want to be chased by zombies in real life (no offense, zombie rotten mcdonald).

Oh now come on. Your comments are replete with unfounded assertions that all women are this way, and that is why it is acceptable for some men to behave in such a repellent fashion.

What part of “many”, as in “many women” don’t you understand? Go on, read my posts again you moron.

Chuckybuckets, you’re the one who has made so many claims to your great and mighty intellect–to the point of disclaimers–so what would I be projecting?

Women having rape fantasies has nothing to do with getting harassed in real life. The thing about fantasies is they are safe and the person having the fantasy is in complete control. I like scary movies, but I wouldn’t want to be chased by zombies in real life (no offense, zombie rotten mcdonald).

But how can you have rape fantasies if you don’t have the sex drive that motivates them? There is no justification for harassment, and there is definitely never any justification for rape. Just because a woman fantasizes about rape does not mean that she wants to be raped. HOWEVER [you just knew that was coming, didn’t you]…. your sex instincts motivate your impulses and the things you notice. They even impact on the things that many women do, the way they dress, the way they behave, and so on.