Recently Kloo2yoo, the founder and longtime moderator of Reddit’s Men’s Rights subreddit, stepped down. The remaining moderator, IgnatiusLoyola, has just announced his successor, a long-time commenter in the subreddit who calls himself AnnArchist. (Despite the female-sounding name, he’s a guy.)
This is an, er, interesting choice, as AnnArchist is a misogynist asshole who thinks that violence against women is hilarious. Indeed, he’s posted in the BeatingWomen subreddit, a thoroughly vile little forum devoted to posting pictures and videos of women being violently assaulted. He says he enjoys this particular subreddit because “I have a sense of humor so I can laugh at it.” Here’s one recent post of his, and another. I don’t know exactly what was in either video, since they’ve both been removed my YouTube, the first for violating the site’s rules against hate speech, the second for its “shocking and disgusting content.” If you look through the comments on these submissions, you may also note that the r/beatingwomen regulars, in addition to being misogynist assholes, are also racist as fuck.
“Welcome AnnArchist,” the_real_misogynist wrote in response to one of these postings, “with posts like that you’ll fit right in here.”
Needless to say, AnnArchist doesn’t find violence by women against men quite so risible.
AnnArchist has also advocated murder (many, many, many times), endorsed vigilantism against a specific young woman, and suggested that false rape accusers should be stoned and/or jailed with the word “liar” tattooed on their faces.
He refers to women as “whores” and “cum dumpsters.” He’s boasted about “persuading” girls to have sex with him after they’ve said “no.” (Meanwhile, he’s said that if he woke up next to a trans woman after being drunkenly “tricked” into sex he would violently assault her.)
Oh, and there’s this bit of wisdom:
If you hyphenate your child’s last name, well its just pathetic. It means the mother was an uncompromising shrew.
I’m sure there are many other vile comments in AnnArchist’s past; these are simply the ones I uncovered with a couple of Reddit searches and by going through his most controversial comments. Indeed, as he himself acknowledges, “there is no limit to the amount of screwed up shit that I’ve posted.”
So why exactly was he picked as a moderator? Is he truly the best that r/mensrights can offer?
Apparently a lot of the r/mensrights regulars think so; most of those who’ve commented so far have praised IgnatiusLoyola’s choice, and have dismissed the critics as “trolls.” (EDITED TO ADD: The tide seems to have turned; there are now more comments up critical of AnnArchist’s promotion to mod, and posts defending Iggy’s decision aee getting some downvotes.)
EDITED TO ADD: Just wanted to highlight one of his comments on the false accuser he was targeting:
I hope she was harassed. Fuck I hope her house was firebombed. Lets be clear, I really will applaud anyone who does anything to her, be it slash her tires or slash her throat.
Here’s the full quote in context. (EDIT: AnnArchist has edited this comment to remove the violent bits. Luckily, someone got a screenshot.)
And here is a comment of his on a specific female judge:
I hope someone kills her.
Kathleen: You are not wrong to ask for the studies someone is using. Otherwise you will find the wrong studies (or they will claim you have found the wrong studies).
Is it the advocates job to defend the case presented.
Pecunium: I was mostly being sarcastic – I seem to recall asking… NWO (?) for cites backing up something or another and he pretty much called me a lazy bitch for not doing it myself. Eh, it might not even have been here, now that I think about it, but the fact that people think that asking them to back up their claims is some kind of oppression… really annoys the shit out of me.
And what really annoys the fuck out of me is that when I’m debating with someone, and I got out, do my research, back up my claims, and the person I’m talking to either a) doesn’t bother to read them or b) dismisses them with ‘you’re cherry picking data that agrees with you.’ Grrrrrr…
Kathleen: I recall NWO doing that. It’s a common trope among those who haven’t actually got the studies/data ready to hand. They recall seeing something, sometime, somewhere, which they are certain will demolish all comers.
But they don’t remember where, or what, or when, exactly so they refer to it.
When pressed… you are supposed to find it.
I do that, too – half-remember something, write about it, then go looking for a cite. But when I’m wrong, I admit it. And usually offer thanks for the correction.
Here is a challenge, someone from manboobz form an argument that doesn’t involve, lies slander or a misandrist trope?
Catalogue, do you remember where I denounced violence committed by members of my own religion? I’m willing to say that murder, racism, and exclusion are wrong, that they are shameful things, that they betray our better ideals, and that every time we find people who were supposed to agree with us doing such things we need to root them out, and that even if nobody else will then I guess it’ll just be me on my own, posting on the Internet.
I went first. Now I’m calling on you to say the same, not because I believe all men are inherently violent (that would be sexism against men, as well as lies and slander), but because I don’t.
If MRAs are for a more equal world, the resolve not to abuse those who are physically weaker, or to tolerate those who do, needs to be part of that. If MRAs are against negative portrayals of men, then you need to show the world that guys are just. The misandry in this thread is coming out of your mouth, and out of the mouths of the men who condone violence because they think hurting the weak is “manly.”
AH!
Catalogue is Eoghan!
Eoghan is Catalogue!
I won’t say how I figured it out, but I did. There is absolutely no doubt.
Oh, Eoghan, you sly devil! You had me fooled there for awhile. Congrats!
He even managed to avoid the particular rhetorical tics that exposed him the last couple of times he tried this.
No wonder he was so annoying to argue with. Never actually reading what we’re saying or looking at links, repeating the same points over and over and over.
I’m also pretty sure he’s the guy who posts as sigi1 on Reddit — I’ve got no proof of this, but they sound basically identical.
Dave, what’s especially pathetic is that yours was the only comment on his blog, and he had to call you a rape supporter to get it. The biggest distortion about Catalogue is his exaggerated sense of self importance.
I was thinking Eoghan, too, but I thought you’d have long since called him out by now. Oh well. The constant refrain of “you lie!” should have been a dead giveaway.
Wormtongue strikes again!
So… Eoghan just can’t get his ass handed to him often enough.
I was right, he wasn’t here for the debate.
Hunh, he seemed too stupid to be Eoghan.* But repetitive, so there’s that.
*not setting bar high here.
Catalogue is postin’ about tropes. I think it’s time we had some MRA tropes!
MRA Trope #650A
“TL;DR wall of text means I’m smart!”
(No no, honey, it just gives you a longer rope to hang yourself with)
MRA Trope #274
“Misogyny is forbidden here but Misandry’s ok!”
(Wrong again. A tastless joke I made about a penis here was deleted by Dave. And don’t try to say I’m a typical poster here, I only post occasionally, trollin ur shitty ‘inactivism’)
MRA Trope #42
“I will NEVER EVER answer your simple question because it would reveal the truth about my bigoted movement!”
(Do you think AnnArchist should represent the MRA by being in charge of one of your biggest treehouses? Well? Do you also think beating women is Heelarious?)
I forgot to tell ppl that Eoghan and Catalogue were the same person >_> I figured it out one night when they put up the same comment on Reddit that they had elsewhere, but I was tired and must’ve forgotten to say something xD
As for the OP:
(Meanwhile, he’s said that if he woke up next to a trans woman after being drunkenly “tricked” into sex he would violently assault her.)
Oh good >_>
It didn’t even occur to me! I never interacted with Eoghan that I can recall, and now I never will (as I assume that now that Catalogue has been unmasked, he will be banned).
Amazing the lengths he went to to avoid answering a question.
I didn’t actually read much here other than the latest comments, which I see mentioned Eoghan. I do truly hope that Eoghan is who you say he is, for that would mean that he has, at least to a point, realized that feminists are scum and that there is no middle ground, that in fact, MRAs are the only genuine egalitarians.
So wait, you only read a couple of comments but you magically know what Eoghan said.
What about humanists? 😀
Oh you might want to pull back the egalitarian statement. I don’t see mras fighting for QUILTBAG, poc, religious minorities, atheists, poor people, or really any minority and/or oppressed group.
I mean there is nothing wrong with being focused on one or several issue(s) but your egalitarian statement is just wrong…not that you care I’m sure.
It is soooo tempting to have a policy like this on Manboobz:
http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/kkflt/new_moderation_policy_regarding_trolls/
But I agree with this comment about why that would ultimately be a bad idea:
http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/kkflt/new_moderation_policy_regarding_trolls/c2kzhg8
There, I agree with someone on r/MensRights. But how can I because of lying feminist TVtropes argh blargh? I leave the answer to that as an exercise for the reader.
@ TAB: “Realized”? Are you sure you’re thinking of the right guy? Eoghan has never believed anything else.
I still say TAB should post a picture to convince us of his absolute rightness.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_e85U4QbYG7s/SUGlUkNYNbI/AAAAAAAABrg/SEreLieL7ZI/s400/Tab+cans.jpg
Ooh, hot, he has a sixpack! I’m convinced. 😀
http://thatotherpaper.com/files/brianposehn02.jpg
Bostonian: most of the interesting bits of feminism don’t seem to be documented. For example apparently there was a lovely incident a few years ago in London where a bunch of masked feminists smashed their way into a lesbian nightclub called Chain Reaction, wrecked the place, and beat up any women there that didn’t run away fast enough. The reason they did this was because those lesbians were having sex in the wrong way and dressing in the wrong way. It seems to be pretty much common knowledge in the relevant communities, passed on by word of mouth – but I can’t find it actually reported anywhere except passing references on semi-obscure web pages about something else. (Given the circumstances, the attack was at the very least inspired by some really big names in UK feminism, if not actually carried out by them.)
It may not be worth pointing all of this out now, and some of the stuff would require digging out old links, but I know off-hand responses to a fair proportion of the arguments in this thread.
Linds: Your example of a reasonable site doesn’t work by the way. I actually got banned from Shakesville’s comments section partly for calling out an otherwise entirely unchallenged comment that argued that if a man cheats on his wife, it’s perfectly OK for said wife to beat him into unconciousness with a weapon, and that he’s the one actually committing domestic violence by cheating. (Mainly it was for posting a comment in support of a certain well-known trans activist over Melissa’s questionable attitude to trans issues, but the comment definitely contributed, and the moderators very clearly objected to me calling out the attempt to justify domestic violence whilst allowing the original comment justifying domestic violence to pass unchallenged.)
There are no major feminist sites that don’t try and justify and normalize violence against men. (There are also none that don’t have major transphobia issues; fortunately for them blogs like Manboobz apply a different standard to feminists than to MRAs.)
“I also found a quote by Electocutee: “I see it as a place of dark humor, kind of cathartic for those oppressed masses of men who have been treated unjustly by women and society. Naturally, we wouldn’t want to act out that agression, but the reaction of non-members is priceless to me.” from responses to beating women reddit. I think I am also losing my faith in humanity.”
Congratulations, thebionicmommy, have some discussion from the Feministing comments. Highly effective in removing any remaining faith in humanity. (There’s actually more where that came from, but I don’t follow feminism much these days and misplaced the links.)
“Show us where feminists say that men who are raped were asking for it because they teased or dressed “slutty.” Show, don’t tell.”
They don’t. They say – just like society says – that men who are raped were asking for it by existing whilst male, that anyone talking about men who have been raped is attacking female rape victims by comparing their fake suffering to the real suffering of women, and so on and so forth. (There’s a reason http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2010/02/24/but-women-dont-rape/ has a trigger warning for the comments – search for some of Olo’s comments for example – and that’s actually the best discussion of men who are rape victims I’ve seen in the feminist blogosphere in a long while.)
Holly: can you point me to an anti-violence feminist site, one that’s against violence not just when it’s committed and advocated by its enemies but also when it’s by feminists? All the examples pointed out so far are groups that feminists already dislike for reasons related to women’s rights. Any sites that are not just against men being raped in principle, but think action should be taken to help and support male rape victims, even if they don’t consider it a priority to do so themselves? How about an anti-transphobia one that actually calls out transphobia within feminism, not just outside it?
makomkBostonian: most of the interesting bits of feminism don’t seem to be documented. .
I think that says it all.
But if you have documentation… feel free to share.