In June, a man named Thomas Ball took his own life – literally lighting himself ablaze – outside of a Keane, New Hampshire courthouse. He left behind a manifesto protesting his treatment by the family court.
But Ball wanted to do more than protest what he felt were injustices against men. He hoped to inspire other men to take the law into their own hands; in his words “we need to start burning down police stations and courthouses.”
He wasn’t speaking figuratively: he was talking about real violence.
[T]he dirty deeds are being carried out by our local police, prosecutors and judges. … Collaborators who are no different than the Vichy of France or the Quislings of Norway during the Second World War. … And they need to be held accountable. So burn them out. …
Ball went on to offer specific advice on how to construct the most effective Molotov cocktails to lob at courthouses and police stations.
Nor did he seem overly concerned that people would be killed:
There will be some casualties in this war. Some killed, some wounded, some captured. Some of them will be theirs. Some of the casualties will be ours. …
I only managed to get the main door of the Cheshire County Courthouse in Keene, NH. I would appreciate it if some of you boys would finish the job for me.
Ball has been treated as a martyr by many Men’s Right’s Activists online; his manifesto – including those parts that explicitly call for terrorism – has been reposted on a number of MRA sites.
Why am I bringing up Ball? This is why:
On Tuesday, an Arkansas man reportedly entered the office of the judge that had presided over his divorce and custody hearings, and opened fire with a semiautomatic rifle. Amazingly, no one died as a result of his rampage, aside from the gunman himself, James Ray Palmer, who was taken down by police in a gun battle outside the courthouse, according to news accounts. The judge, fortunately, was not there, and the gunman’s rifle apparently jammed. Before heading to the courthouse, authorities say, Palmer set his own home on fire with timed incendiary devices.
Was Palmer inspired directly by Ball’s manifesto? We don’t know. The judge in this case was by no means the first to be targeted by a man angry at the outcome of his divorce or custody case. Judges were receiving death threats – and in some cases actually being murdered – long before there was such a thing as the Men’s Rights movement online.
But talk of violence is common on Men’s Rights sites. Opponents of the Men’s Rights movement are denounced as “collaborators,” while others talk plainly about fighting a “war” against feminism. Angry Harry, a British MRA revered by many of his ideological compatriots on this side of the pond, has offered an explicit apologia for violence against family court judges.
Even if Palmer himself was not directly influenced by the MRM online—as of yet, we don’t know — it is only a matter of time until some unbalanced person steeped in the violent rhetoric of the MRM online decides to “finish the job” started by Thomas Ball. It is only a matter of time until those espousing such rhetoric have real blood on their hands.
If the MRM truly aspires to be a real civil rights movement, rather than a reactionary hate sect more redolent of the KKK than of MLK, moderate MRAs need to step up and speak out against the bullies and the would-be warriors. They need to stop canonizing violent-minded men like Ball. They need to make clear that violent rhetoric – not to mention specific threats or calls to terrorism – have no place in the movement.
Do I expect this to happen? No. I think instead we will get more excuses, more evasions, more apologias for violence — and more threatening talk.
Let’s hope this situation degenerates, and we get to shoot up some masculinists. This world would be better off without them, in my opinion…
Even if the Captain called the first troll response, right there is the sockpuppet calling for violence that I predicted….
Isn’t this fun? I love dropping in here every couple of weeks or so to see how the bar flys are entertaining themselves. I hope you guys are having as much fun as I am. I really do appreciate all you guys do for me.
u mad?
You can get a Ph.D. in vaginal yeast infections for all I care. But, I will concede that history isn’t as low on the totem pole, or not as ideologically polluted with pseudo-social science to the point of irrellevance, like sociology…or practically useless and intellecutally bankrupt, like psychology. If you wanna pull your credentials out of your pants and measure them with mine, feel free.
I thought you wanted to talk about the founding of America! it’s not my field, but I know enough about the history of philosophy to at least make a stab at conversation.
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Look, I know your schtick is that you’re “edgy” and “witty” and “above it all” (so “above it all” that you’re happy to suck up to the MRAs who’d gladly make it so you someone like you would never have learned how to read in the first place, much less post on these our precious tubes), but quite frankly, whenever I read your posts, all I see is this. Does anyone else have this problem?
@Ami Angelwings
“Annnnddd as usual, NWO responds to tragedy by talking about how violent revolution is good. And then when Holly accuses him of supporting this, NWO and other MRAs will point to her and say she’s extrapolating evil things onto NWO b/c she’s a bigot, and NWO is a kind-hearted soul xD”
Just to clarify my personal position. I fully endorse violent revolution. Tyranny doesn’t simply go away from kind words and a basket of cheer.
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@chocominties
“Nah, NWO can’t be a motherfucker … I’m pretty sure not even his own mother would want to be that close to him.”
Let’s hope not, mother/son incest is the kind of thing feminists promote. I’ve noticed the feminist endorsed LGBTQ has added an “I” in some instances. Does that stand for incestuous relationships? As I predicted way back when I first started posting here, feminists will endorse incest first, followed by pedophelia. The pedophelia will start with lesbians and preadolescent girls. Probably some bad man will hurt a lesbian who is having fun time with a girl child. This will give them a “cause.” No doubt feminists will run to her aid and prattle on about children have sexual agency and the bad patriarchy is stealing their love or some other nonsense. Since women were never oppressed, feminism is all about causes and struggle. If ya run out of causes, ya gotta make some up to keep the laws and money flowing.
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@Fuck MRAs
“The dudes who wrote the constitution did not mean for it to apply to women, so it’s hard for me to say anything positive about it, or them, at all.”
Such gratitude, as you enjoy what few freedoms we’re still permitted which was bought with the blood and death of men.
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@cynickal
“The “Founding Father’s” were a bunch of sexist, racist, genocidal terrorists.
True story, bro!”
No doubt taught to you verbatim in what passes as education these days.
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@kollegemesserschmitt
“I am so relieved that at least no one got killed (aside from James Ray Palmer).
And I’m pretty sure if it turns out that Palmer did hold misogynist views (which seems likely), the media will mostly leave that part out, like in a lot of articles about Brevik.”
Does wanting equal custody of your children translate into misogyny? The word misogyny is thrown about if anyone disagrees with any woman. I hadn’t realised the definition was so all encompassing for every situation.
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@Holly Pervocracy
“NWO lives in a world where terrorizing your wife and child isn’t tyranny, but trying to stop someone from doing so is basically colonial oppression.”
A quote from me where I said terrorizing your wife and child isn’t tyranny, or at least a terrible thing. Is this all you are Holly? A bundle of lies? What a vicious crew that resides here. And you wonder why anyone like myself would advocate violence to overthrow tyranny, when people like you, who blatantly lie are of the same caliber that are enacting ever more oppressive laws.
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Yes everyone, keep insulting and mocking our founding fathers, now known only as “the founders” in history books. (Father being a dirty word and all). You’re all so much more brilliant than they.
Such gratitude, as you enjoy what few freedoms we’re still permitted which was bought with the blood and death of men.
You enjoy freedom that was purchased with the blood and death of women, many of them from the USSR. You get to live in a Third-Reich-free world because of literal communist feminists (kinda feminist) with guns.
http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2011/09/world-war-ii-women-at-war/100145/
(not everyone in the above post is cool. Many of them, however, are cool.)
Just to clarify my personal position. I fully endorse violent revolution. Tyranny doesn’t simply go away from kind words and a basket of cheer.
Are you planning on violently revolting anytime soon? o: Or do you just mean the other ppl who shoot up court houses and such? o_O
A quote from me where I said terrorizing your wife and child isn’t tyranny, or at least a terrible thing. Is this all you are Holly? A bundle of lies?
So you do think it’s a terrible thing? 😀
Let’s hope not, mother/son incest is the kind of thing feminists promote.
Time for you to provide the quotes 😀
(also I stands for intersex, everybody give him a hand xD)
If ya run out of causes, ya gotta make some up to keep the laws and money flowing.
What money? o_O Why do we have to make nething up at all? Why don’t we just take money directly? We do it neways according to you xD
Also, me and Ozy and Summer have a question for you! 😀
magdelynswallows | September 17, 2011 at 1:07 am
Isn’t this fun? I love dropping in here every couple of weeks or so to see how the bar flys are entertaining themselves. I hope you guys are having as much fun as I am. I really do appreciate all you guys do for me.
How much fun are you having? o:
@ Ami
I do enjoy my time here. Although, I pretty much only comment when my social life is at low tide.
Oy. Francois, I deleted your comment and you are banned.
No violent shit here please.
Oh, and I missed this comment from a new commenter that was caught by the spam filter:
Desperate men have a potential for violence.
This kind of violence is not predatory, they act out of despair. They are beyond sanctimonious exhortations.
No one could convince someone who is happy to take a gun, kill someone and commit suicide.
The real question here is: why does the system push all these men to the brink?
The author of the article attributes far too much power to the rhetoric of a few MRAs.
Those who are to be blamed for these killings are the people who support these laws who will create desperate men, namely feminists.
But, there are plenty of examples, the KKK being one, of hate groups creating their own internal momentum towards violence
The good thing is that there’s no internal cohesion; for instance, MGTOW are decentralized by definition. While individual acts of violence such as this or the Ball case are horrific, at least they can never be a threat on any larger level. (The real danger is if they start influencing legislation.)
The good thing is that there’s no internal cohesion; for instance, MGTOW are decentralized by definition.
No they’re not xD They’re all run through Samuel and his sekrit email exchanges xD
“Yes everyone, keep insulting and mocking our founding fathers, now known only as “the founders” in history books.”
Is that true? Hah, score one for political correctness. Although it’s pretty cool to imagine that we were created by a race of shapeshifting aliens. Long live the Dominion.
… and paniorpa stops by with that apologia I predicted. .
Do you know this poster or is s/he just the fulfillment of your inb4?
I don’t see any feminists calling out feminists that use convoluted studies that protect violent women (David Futrelle), the sufferegetts use of terrorism, the feminists that killed Erin Pizzys dog and threatened her children ect.
Also, it’s a typical manboobz fallacy to say a one lunatics words (PAN), or someone saying “I can understand how some people people are driven to that” or “this is what happens when legal discrimination, a malicious ex assisted by the courts and kidnapping children push someone over the edge”, is not the same thing as the whole movement embracing v
Of course, I know that, the OP knows that and the regulars here know that.
Just saying.
Enjoy your fallacy based “movement”.
Well, I have too much self respect to use the terms “lulz” or “derping”.
Lol, I’ve got too much self-respect not to.
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Also, it’s a typical manboobz fallacy to say a one lunatics words (PAN), or someone saying “I can understand how some people people are driven to that” or “this is what happens when legal discrimination, a malicious ex assisted by the courts and kidnapping children push someone over the edge”, is the same thing as the whole movement embracing violence.
I don’t see any feminists calling out feminists that use convoluted studies that protect violent women (David Futrelle), the sufferegetts use of terrorism, the feminists that killed Erin Pizzys dog and threatened her children ect.
I fully support kittengrenades, baby-eating, and violence of all sorts, but I will call out your fuck-trocious spelling errors. Consider yourself shamed on the Internet.
Anyway, have you assholes reached all the way back into the ‘teens to pull out “the suffragettes were terrorists” as a meme? Why, one of them knocked off a policeman’s helmet once! Excuse me while we clutch our pearls.
Enjoy your fallacy based “movement”.
You’re welcome to post studies that prove your point. ‘Course, they have to be good first.
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athat one lunatics words (PAN), or someone saying “I can understand how some people people are driven to that” or “this is what happens when legal discrimination, a malicious ex assisted by the courts and kidnapping children push someone over the edge”, is the same thing as the whole movement embracing violence.Hi Voip
Correcting spellings on an internet forum is just another fallacy based debate.
Studies?
Go to my blog if you want studies about feminists using convoluted research to protect violent women. seen David Futrelles debate with Paul Elam.
Your “movement” here, which is basically a group of smug, sarcastic nerds that slander, bully and dog pile on line – is in its entirety based on slandering 10s of 1000s of people based on what a statically irrelevant number say and taking others out of context while not holing your own group to the same standards.
Its it in its entirety. that’s all you do here, every day.
Enjoy your “movement”.
Go to my blog if you want studies about feminists using convoluted research to protect violent women.
Not brave enough to bring anything up here? Whatever.
Your “movement” here, which is basically a group of smug, sarcastic nerds that slander, bully and dog pile on line…
Feminism’s an Internet movement? How the hell did all this equal rights legislation get passed?
…is in its entirety based on slandering 10s of 1000s of people based on what a statically irrelevant number say
I’m Eastern Orthodox. You know what I do when the genocide in Kosovo comes up? Apologize, repudiate the fuckers who did it, and use the conversation as a reminder to work real hard to recognize bigotry in myself and minimize it. You know what I hear from MRAs every — single — time someone shoots himself / his kids / his wife / a judge? Either dead silence or excuses. Is it that hard to say “I disapprove of murder, even when the perpetrator’s someone I agree with?”
Because that’s what Futrelle is calling you to do. If you’ll look at something beyond your own cock and what you think it deserves for a change, you’ll see it:
That’s not slander, that’s respect. Futrelle wants you to work for men, really work, and in order to do that you need to be better than violence. If he had contempt for you he’d be up there posting about how you guys are no better than animals and you produce death everywhere you go. He didn’t.
…and taking others out of context while not holing your own group to the same standards.
Oh, I hole other feminists to the “don’t shoot people” standard as well. It’s a great standard, except that your dudes seem to be finding it hard to meet.