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Why the Men’s Rights Movement needs to stop making excuses for violence

The aftermath of a gunman's rampage at an Arkansas courthouse

In June, a man named Thomas Ball took his own life – literally lighting himself ablaze – outside of a Keane, New Hampshire courthouse. He left behind a manifesto protesting his treatment by the family court.

But Ball wanted to do more than protest what he felt were injustices against men. He hoped to inspire other men to take the law into their own hands; in his words “we need to start burning down police stations and courthouses.”

He wasn’t speaking figuratively: he was talking about real violence.

[T]he dirty deeds are being carried out by our local police, prosecutors and judges. …  Collaborators who are no different than the Vichy of France or the Quislings of Norway during the Second World War. … And they need to be held accountable. So burn them out. …

Ball went on to offer specific advice on how to construct the most effective Molotov cocktails to lob at courthouses and police stations.

Nor did he seem overly concerned that people would be killed:

There will be some casualties in this war. Some killed, some wounded, some captured. Some of them will be theirs. Some of the casualties will be ours. …

I only managed to get the main door of the Cheshire County Courthouse in Keene, NH. I would appreciate it if some of you boys would finish the job for me.

Ball has been treated as a martyr by many Men’s Right’s Activists online; his manifesto – including those parts that explicitly call for terrorism – has been reposted on a number of MRA sites.

Why am I bringing up Ball? This is why:

On Tuesday, an Arkansas man reportedly entered the office of the judge that had presided over his divorce and custody hearings, and opened fire with a semiautomatic rifle. Amazingly, no one died as a result of his rampage, aside from the gunman himself, James Ray Palmer, who was taken down by police in a gun battle outside the courthouse, according to news accounts. The judge, fortunately, was not there, and the gunman’s rifle apparently jammed.  Before heading to the courthouse, authorities say, Palmer set his own home on fire with timed incendiary devices.

Was Palmer inspired directly by Ball’s manifesto? We don’t know. The judge in this case was by no means the first to be targeted by a man angry at the outcome of his divorce or custody case.  Judges were receiving death threats – and in some cases actually being murdered – long before there was such a thing as the Men’s Rights movement online.

But talk of violence is common on Men’s Rights sites. Opponents of the Men’s Rights movement are denounced as “collaborators,” while others talk plainly about fighting a “war” against feminism. Angry Harry, a British MRA revered by many of his ideological compatriots on this side of the pond, has offered an explicit apologia for violence against family court judges.

Even if Palmer himself was not directly influenced by the MRM online—as of yet, we don’t know —  it is only a matter of time until some unbalanced person steeped in the violent rhetoric of the MRM online decides to “finish the job” started by Thomas Ball. It is only a matter of time until those espousing such rhetoric have real blood on their hands.

If the MRM truly aspires to be a real civil rights movement, rather than a reactionary hate sect more redolent of the KKK than of MLK, moderate MRAs need to step up and speak out against the bullies and the would-be warriors. They need to stop canonizing violent-minded men like Ball. They need to make clear that violent rhetoric – not to mention specific threats or calls to terrorism – have no place in the movement.

Do I expect this to happen? No. I think instead we will get more excuses, more evasions, more apologias for violence — and more threatening talk.

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ithiliana
13 years ago

Sorry, it didn’t work.

mumle mumble stupid cat macro

Fuck MRAs
Fuck MRAs
13 years ago

That looks pretty interesting PFKAE. I have so much feminist theory to read, though, that it may be a while before I can get round to it.

katz
13 years ago

sockfucker

Rutee Katreya
13 years ago

Tremblay, why in the fuck would you specifically want violence to occur? What the fuck is wrong with you? Assholes and idiots are not only still people, but people who do actually have a right to life.

Dire Sloth
Dire Sloth
13 years ago

@Francois, you appear to have missed the point rather badly.

Unimaginative
13 years ago

NWO lives in a world where terrorizing your wife and child isn’t tyranny, but trying to stop someone from doing so is basically colonial oppression.

Also where feminist-controlled governments imposing age of consent laws is the ONLY THING that prevents hot 14-year-old girls from swarming middle-aged men, sexing them up because of true lurrve.

@Francois Tremblay: No. Killing off people who disagree with you is not something reasonable people do.

Pecunium
13 years ago

Beth: As I said, no one much likes my positions. I’d also say this is a rabbit hole we probably don’t want to go down

Pecunium
13 years ago

Tremblay: I very much doubt you have any idea what you are talking about. Dollars to doughnuts you’ve never fired a shot in anger, and even less likely to have done in the throes of coldly rational thought.

So just shut the fuck up about things you don’t really understand.

Kariface
Kariface
13 years ago

*sigh* The Second Amendment is perfectly clear. We have the right to bear arms. I exercise that right every day with the grizzly arms on my wall. ;-P

Captain Bathrobe
13 years ago

Let’s hope this situation degenerates, and we get to shoot up some masculinists. This world would be better off without them, in my opinion…

In my opinion, you can fuck right off.

Captain Bathrobe
13 years ago

“Government is not reason; it is not eloquence. It is force. And force, like fire, is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.” George Washington

Well, ol’ George ought to know. He called out the army to enforce a tax on whiskey.

magdelynswallows
13 years ago

Manboobz to the world: “Fuck the Founding Fathers! Fuck those cis-privileged, white males. They prolly would thing our beloved Michael Kimmel is douche” (and they’d be right.”

magdelynswallows
13 years ago

I hope you guys don’t mind me posting this thread to r/mensrights. I just wanna give ’em a chance to see our manboobz intellectuals action flaming the founding fathers. You go girl!

VoiP
VoiP
13 years ago

I hope you guys don’t mind me posting this thread to r/mensrights. I just wanna give ‘em a chance to see our manboobz intellectuals action flaming the founding fathers. You go girl!

Yes, because r/mensrights is an American Legion hall full of people who still remember when we had to pull together to fight Jerry. What are you, sixty?

VoiP
VoiP
13 years ago

I must say, though, your fumbled attempts to find “dirt” on Manboobz remain lulzy.

magdelynswallows
13 years ago

“Let’s hope this situation degenerates, and we get to shoot up some masculinists. This world would be better off without them, in my opinion…” -Francois Trembley

Roll the dice and take your chances, sweet cheeks.

magdelynswallows
13 years ago

Anybody that uses the word “lulzy” pretty much isn’t worth engaging.

No, I’m not 60, though I one day hope to be. Never fought any Germans either (although I did join the Marine Corp: http://www.fauxwhore.com/2010/02/vietnam-can-kill-me-but-it-cant-make-me.html ) I’m certainly not ashamed to say I love my country, respect the Founding Fathers, and laugh at all the little feminists, whose fathers paid for university and a trip to Paris, pissing on our collective histoire. You go girl!!!

Flib
Flib
13 years ago

Oh, look, Mag, you are waxing off on Kimmel again. Have fun herping while you are derping.

VoiP
VoiP
13 years ago

I’m certainly not ashamed to say I love my country, respect the Founding Fathers, and laugh at all the little feminists, whose fathers paid for university and a trip to Paris, pissing on our collective histoire.

I’m getting a PhD in history, with a focus on modern Europe.Turns out you can do that at the same time as one obtains lulz from all the idiots on the Intertubes. Is there anything you’d like to discuss, or are you just here to pretend to shame us for insufficient ideological purity? (I say “pretend” because this has not been your “thing” on any earlier occasions.)

VoiP
VoiP
13 years ago

Turns out you can do that at the same time as one obtains lulz from all the idiots on the Intertubes.

ERRATA: “you,” “idiots”

Oh, look, Mag, you are waxing off on Kimmel again.

God forbid we analyze anything! Then it might turn out to be unlike our shiny illusions!

katz
13 years ago

Is it wrong for me to imagine all Mag’s posts in a hick accent? I mean, is that insulting to hicks?

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth

assume much Maggie?

The Founding Fathers did plenty of things right but they were very flawed. And why are we not allowed criticize them for things like fighting for freedom while denying it to part of the population of their country? Or for failing in the other ways they did.

Revering them without acknowledgment of their flaws does a disservice to them and us.

magdelynswallows
13 years ago

Well, I have too much self respect to use the terms “lulz” or “derping”. When you want to stop imitating 15 y.o. internet geek boys, because you think they’re cool, you let me know. You can get a Ph.D. in vaginal yeast infections for all I care. But, I will concede that history isn’t as low on the totem pole, or not as ideologically polluted with pseudo-social science to the point of irrellevance, like sociology…or practically useless and intellecutally bankrupt, like psychology. If you wanna pull your credentials out of your pants and measure them with mine, feel free.

You’ve already been shamed into conformity…the comments here are pretty much always in agreement. You know patriarchy, privilege, “rape culture” yadda yadda, blah blah.

magdelynswallows
13 years ago

Isn’t this fun? I love dropping in here every couple of weeks or so to see how the bar flys are entertaining themselves. I hope you guys are having as much fun as I am. I really do appreciate all you guys do for me.