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The recent ugliness on Reddit

From time to time, something will happen on the Internet or in real life that I know I should write about for Man Boobz, but it’s so infuriating or depressing that I can’t bring myself to write about it. The recent bullshit on Reddit involving a young woman whose story of a sexual assault was met with angry disbelief until she provided video proof that her injuries were real is a perfect case in point.

Briefly, what happened is this:

A young woman posted about a sexual assault she’d endured a day or so earlier – a man had tried to rape her, pushing her to the ground and scraping her face on the pavement. In a separate topic she posted a picture of her injuries, most notably a giant scrape on her cheek. You can see it at right; click on the picture to see it full size.

Then another Redditor noticed that some time back, the same woman had posted a picture of herself in zombie makeup. This, he said, made him skeptical that her injuries were real — it was probably just a good makeup job.

That was all it took to send Reddit into a full internet lynch mob frenzy: obviously this woman was a liar and an attention whore and, even worse, possibly a feminist anti-rape activist! Redditors suddenly became both medical and makeup experts, and declared that the giant scrape on her face was obviously phony. (Not to me; I tried arguing with several of them to no avail.) It got ugly, very ugly, very quickly.

The woman at the heart of the storm asked if she needed to post an actual video of her cleaning the wound on her face to show that it was real; a redditor demanded that she do just that.

So she did. (Here it is.) Long story short: the scrape is real. The woman also posted a picture of the business card given to her by the police detective she’s spoken to when reporting the incident. It’s now pretty clear that there is no reason to doubt that her story is true. Even the Redditor who originally challenged her story realized that she was almost certainly telling the truth.

Here’s her post offering proof to back up her story.

At this point the lynch mob lost its steam; some people even apologized to her.

But the evidence of the ugliness remains in a host of different threads and different subforums on Reddit. I honestly don’t have the energy or the  patience to sift through all of the ugliness; luckily, Jezebel has given a decent account of the whole spectacle; you can go there to get some more of the details.

You might also want to look in to the main thread where most of the ugliness occurred — though at this point many of the vile accusatory comments that got upvoted when everyone seemed to assume she was lying have been retroactively voted down. (The screenshot I posted above gives a better idea of what it looked like at the time; here’s another screenshot with some of the choicer comments.)

Naturally, Men’s Rightsers contributed to the ugliness – though most of the worst comments appeared outside of the Men’s Rights subreddit, and a surprising number of r/mr regulars refused to jump on the original “she’s a liar” bandwagon.

While many Men’s Rightsters are now apologetic, others still think she may be lying.

Here’s a good discussion of the whole thing in ShitRedditSays, and a followup.

 

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random6x7
random6x7
9 years ago

But sharing a root doesn’t make them the same. We aren’t speaking Hindi here.

eli
eli
9 years ago

First:

I’m afraid I can answer nothing until the manboobz gang tells me the root alphabet of cryillic script.

Later”

I’d like to answer you but I’m afraid I can’t. I’m far too ignorant. It would appear my knowlege of language, is lacking.

Then why are you issuing ultimatums?

NWOslave
NWOslave
9 years ago

@Flib

I don’t know who herp mcderp or Nozick is but that hardly matters. What really matters is none of you can even admit being 100% wrong about the root alphabet of the Russian language and why there are a few variances. So I will. It has the same root alphabet as English, Spanish, ect. The reason for any variance is purely demographic. The baltic being a seperate culture at the time would of course come up with additional letters and uses of existing letter, and rules and so forth due to isolation, region and culture. Just like German, English and Spanish have varying rules of grammar.

The point is of course, I was 100% right, and the vast majority of you, who so quickly agreed with fellow feminist Sir Knight were 100% wrong.

So good night, das ve danya, astalavista, and for you Pecunium. I hope I’m saying this correctly, you’re very Vy glupy. Do let me know if I’ve said that properly, won’t you?

katz
9 years ago

C’mon everyone, what is the root alphabet of cryllic script. It’s based on something, it may have a few added letters and such but whats the root of it?

Written Russian is based on Old Church Slavonic, developed in the 9th century by the Byzantine missionaries Methodius and Cyril (hence Cyrillic) so they could translate the Bible into Slavic languages.

Your turn!

eli
eli
9 years ago

Lol, Greek and Latin are, like, totally the same, lol

Sharculese
9 years ago

Cyrillic 101

vowels

so… russian does have five vowel sounds, with two versions of each, the soft and the long, but he doesnt quite have the way it works right:

а (ah) and я (yah)

э (eh) and e (yeh)

ы (no real english equivalent, its kind of like ‘ih’, but more um… constipated) and и (ee)

o (oh) and e (yo [handwritten, its an e with umlauts, typed, its just e, which leads to all kinds of fun in transliteration of names])

у (oo) and ю (yoo)

consonants

okay, so cyrillic was developed by a monk named st. cyril (hence the name) so he could teach the bible to russians and other slavs. its a mixture of the roman alphabet (owlslave, this is what you keep calling the english alphabet, fyi) and the greek alphabet, with more of the latter than the former. theres also so borrowing from a few other alphabets to fit the needs of russian.

consonants that are the same as the roman alphabet

in addition to a and o, theres three more

m

t

consonants that look roman, but work differently

cyrillic b = roman v

cyrillic c = roman s

consonants taken from the greek alphabet

these dont all look the same as in greek, but theyre all taken from there

б (b)

г (g, [and in certain situations, mostly endings of adjective forms, operates as v])

д (d)

k (k [taken from the greek kappa, not the roman k])

л (l)

п (p)

р (r [from the greek rho])

ф (f)

x (kh)

consonants from other alphabets

ж (zh)

з (z)

н (n)

ч (ch)

ц (ts)

ш (sh)

щ (shch)

the modifying letters

theres a name for these i cant remember, but basically russian has 3 letters that dont make a sound of their own but modify the letter in from of them

the hard sign (ъ) and the soft sign (ь) make consonants harder or softer. the communists actually eliminated the soft sign, so you only see it in pre-soviet writing.

й makes vowels longer kind of like a vowel blend with i or e

so yeah… cyrillic has like five letters in common with the roman alphabet, but it relies much more heavily on the greek and certainly the two look nothing alike.

katz
9 years ago

Lol, Greek and Latin are, like, totally the same, lol

Were you here for NWO’s “I don’t know the Latin alphabet!” debacle a few months back?

Flib
Flib
9 years ago

Slavey, ah, right, you are cowardly retreating when I’ve proven you wrong. You don’t want to even engage with what I’ve been talking about after I shot you down. Got it, cowardly fake lying engineer.

eli
eli
9 years ago

Were you here for NWO’s “I don’t know the Latin alphabet!” debacle a few months back?

I think I must have missed that one or didn’t follow it long enough. I probably read the post and the first page of comments. Wasn’t this thread originally about a young woman who was injured in an attempted sexual assault?

Captain Bathrobe
9 years ago

I love the “I have the right to drive and having to get a license is an infringement on that right” argument. Too funny. I wonder if he would consider having to get a pilot’s license and obey air traffic control an infringement on his right to fly a plane however the fuck he wants. I wonder if stopping at red lights is an infringement on his right to cause accidents.

Of course, what do we know? We need “Big Daddy Government” to tell us when to stop for traffic. Libertarian John Galts like him drive wherever the fuck they want, and children in the crosswalk be damned. Of course, he cares more about children because abortion; after they’re born, fuck ’em (sometimes literally).

NWO, you are the only free man among all the sheeple. Shine on, you crazy diamond.

Sharculese
9 years ago

I don’t know who herp mcderp or Nozick is but that hardly matters. What really matters is none of you can even admit being 100% wrong about the root alphabet of the Russian language and why there are a few variances. So I will. It has the same root alphabet as English, Spanish, ect. The reason for any variance is purely demographic. The baltic being a seperate culture at the time would of course come up with additional letters and uses of existing letter, and rules and so forth due to isolation, region and culture. Just like German, English and Spanish have varying rules of grammar.

yeah, ‘the baltics’ is not the same thing as slavs, but either way, they didnt ‘come up’ with a language, for whatever reason they never got into the written word, it had to be imposed on them.

england, france, germany, spain, these countries all have a thing in common that eastern europe doesnt share: they spent long periods of time under the thumb of the roman catholic church. the catholics wrote in latin, so the roman alphabet became standard. look at old english, for example- looks totally different. theres no way that would have developed into something resembling the roman alphabet.

cyril, who brought writing to the russians, was an emissary of the greek orthodox church, so he gave them a language largely based on greek. he in fact, did need a few extra letters, but he didn’t ‘come up’ with them, he borrowed them, including the roman ‘t’ and ‘m’

so yeah, you are in fact 100% wrong here. but then again what did you expect trying to lecture people who know russian on how the language works?

Pecunium
9 years ago

NWO: I speak russian. I am a linguist. As a function of that I am more than passing familiar with linguistics.

Your understanding of Russian is slightly greater than your understanding of infinitely differentiable Rheimannian manifolds. Боже мой!.

Alphebets are orthography. Russian has 10 vowels, though one of them them is classed as a consonant, because the gender of nouns (of which they have three, masculine, feminine, and neuter) would be six kinds of screwed up if й were classed as vowel.

Most of those vowels have two different forms, stressed and unstressed.

I assume when you write “sytax” you mean syntax (from Ancient Greek σύνταξις “arrangement” from σύν syn, “together”, and τάξις táxis, “an ordering”) is the study of the principles and rules for constructing phrases and sentences in natural languages.

In addition to referring to the overarching discipline, the term syntax is also used to refer directly to the rules and principles that govern the sentence structure of any individual language, as in “the syntax of Modern Irish.”

That’s about as meaningful as saying that Latin, or Swahili, is just like English, but with different rules of syntax, ignoring completely the differences in vocabulary, verb structure, phonemic patterns, management of tense (quick, how many tenses in English? How many in Russian? How many does the native speaker of Russian think there are?), grammatical rules, gendering of nouns, conjugational patterns, etc.

Russian has completely different rules. It’s a declined language, the parts of speech are not defined by their relational position to other parts of the thought but by how the words end.

Питер любит Анну = Питер Анну любит = Анну Питер любит = любит Анну Питер = Анну любит Питер

The equivalent sentences in English would read, “Peter loves Anna = Peter Anna loves = Anna Peter Loves = Loves Anna Peter = Anna Loves Peter.

The meanings are very different betweent he first and last in English. In Russian the meaning doesn’t change (well, that’s not quite true, but the difference is subtle, “Peter loves Anna, vs. Anna is loved by Peter; but I digress).

Now please stop with your silly nonsense where you try to prove a point on which your so obviously wrong, and completely, obviously, painfully, totally, ignorant.

darksidecat
9 years ago

Ancient Greek Unical Script and the Glatgolitic alphabet is where the Cyrillic alphabet derives. It was created in the tenth century. Spoken Russian predates it, as does the use of the Galgolitic alphabet for slavic languages. The origins of the Galgolitic alphabet are historically disputed.

Oooh, ahhhh, I have access to the google and an ability to read.

Pecunium
9 years ago

NWO: What is it you want, the “root alphabet” or the root language?

How far back are we going?

Legend ascribes the Cyrillic alphabe to St. Cyril, a semi-missionary of the Orthodox Religion, from Constantinople. That alphabet is still in use as, Church Slavonic. It bears little resemblance to Modern Cyrillic.

The “Root Language” would be “proto-Slavic”. A declined language of the steppes. There are a number of loan words from German and French. As is common with all declined languages there are cases for nouns.

In Russian these are (as a rough guide)

Nominative: This is the undeclined form of the subject of a sentence (this is often modified by the verb).

Accusative: This is the direct object of a verb (though verbs of motion affect this in strange ways. Motion, and time, are special cases in Russian, and “verbs of carriage” combine aspects of both)

Dative: Indirect objects (verbs of giving/transfer, or verbs which in English would use “to/for”)

Genitive: Statements/conditions/verbs of possession.

Instrumental: Verbs of doing/profession, things done with.

“Prepostional”/locative. A strange catchall case for things which don’t come under other rules.

How things are arranged allows for nuance. The difference between, “I don’t know”, and, “It is unknown to me” is how the three words are arranged.

Explaining time, or motion, would take more time than I feel like wasting on you, and more space than the rest of the community probably cares to spend.

Sharculese
9 years ago

@pecunium- all languages in the indo-european family are really the same at heart

spanish is barely distinguishable from punjabi

if you speak german, you can probably understand turkish

Pecunium
9 years ago

Sharculeese: england, france, germany, spain, these countries all have a thing in common that eastern europe doesnt share: they spent long periods of time under the thumb of the roman catholic church. the catholics wrote in latin, so the roman alphabet became standard. look at old english, for example- looks totally different. theres no way that would have developed into something resembling the roman alphabet.

I’ll have to differ here, France, Germany, Spain, England, all spent time under the Roman Empire, long before the Hegemony of the Roman Catholic Church became the unifying religion, which gave them the Latin alphabet.

Africa, because of the Muslim conversion, gave up the Latin Script for the Arabic (even in Persian/Farsi, which is an Indo-European language, more closely related to the languages of Europe and India than Semitic Languages of the Middle East (Elamaic, Aramaic, Hebrew and Arabic).

Captain Bathrobe
9 years ago

The point is of course, I was 100% right, and the vast majority of you, who so quickly agreed with fellow feminist Sir Knight were 100% wrong.

See, now this is true freedom: the freedom to say whatever the fuck you want regardless of whether it makes any sense. Preach it, brother! Don’t let those facts keep you down!

FREEDOM!!!

Pecunium
9 years ago

Sharculese: Turkish isn’t Indo-European, it’s Altaic. Like Korean and Japanese.

Amused
Amused
9 years ago

NWO: As a native speaker of Russian, I am completely blown away by your claims about Russia and the Russian language. Russia is one of the least feminist industrialized countries, where the double standard rules and “feminist” is a dirty word. Hell, until about 10 years ago, virtually no women in Russia even knew how to drive, that’s how strong the double standard is. If Russia has a a low male life expectancy rate, that’s due to a complex interplay of the laissez-faire economy, crumbling infrastructure and the terrible state of the environment — you know, all the things we are sure to have under Libertarianism — but not feminism. The high abortion rate, in fact, is a testament to how macho and patriarchal the Russian society is: few women can afford birth control pills, and men refuse to wear condoms. Not only is it uncommon, for married men especially, to deign to wear condoms or indeed, have anything to do with birth control — which is considered a woman’s problem — but this behavior is tolerated and considered socially acceptable. It’s women who are responsible to prevent pregnancy one way or the other, without any inconvenience to their husbands or boyfriends — and for the millions of women who cannot get the pill, that means multiple abortions. This is not new, by the way. For as long as I remember, to be a married woman in Russian meant having an abortion every 12 to 18 months. You know NOTHING about Russia’s society, culture or mores. You just make shit up. And then you have the temerity to accuse others of lying.

Next: Where do you get off telling us what the structure of Russian is in the same breath that you admit you don’t even know the language? Boy, you have some chutzpah. I’m sure it’s gonna fly right over your pathetic little head, but there are profound differences between the English and the Russian grammars, a fact to which our resident students of Russian will, I am sure, attest. Word of advice: don’t make claims about things you know nothing about. If you don’t fucking know the language, don’t make claims about its grammar.

Sharculese
9 years ago

I’ll have to differ here, France, Germany, Spain, England, all spent time under the Roman Empire, long before the Hegemony of the Roman Catholic Church became the unifying religion, which gave them the Latin alphabet.

yeah, i was gonna say it was cause of the roman empire originally but then i was looking at pages from beowulf and i confused myself. on closer inspection most of those letters are recognizable.

Sharculese
9 years ago

Sharculese: Turkish isn’t Indo-European, it’s Altaic. Like Korean and Japanese.

that is interesting, and what i get for guessing.

Polliwog
Polliwog
9 years ago

So if “alphabet A contains a few letters borrowed from alphabet B” equals “alphabet A IS THE SAME AS alphabet B,” wouldn’t that logically mean that any language which has borrowed a number of words from another language IS THE SAME AS that language?

Congratulations, NWO. You’re speaking French. (I bet it’s somehow the Rothschilds’ fault.)

cynickal
cynickal
9 years ago

Yeah?! Well a college age GIRL stole NWO’s job from him because PEPSI co wanted someone cheap and easily trained who could work cooperatively in a team environment!

So there! You smarty smarts with your knowledge and facts and logical thought processes!

Ha! I totally showed YOU!

Amused
Amused
9 years ago

Incidentally, before the 18th-century reforms, this is what the Russian alphabet looked like. “Root alphabet”, my foot.

zombie rotten mcdonald

I give 5 years at best.

Bookmark it, libs.

katz
9 years ago

The OCS alphabet is gorgeous.

zombie rotten mcdonald

Although everybody was very entertaining and amusing in batting Slaver around like a cranky cat with a particularly dimwitted mouse, I have to applaud Amused and particularly Pecunium for the world-class pwnage.

Slaver had no idea he was walking into someone’s actual areas of expertise.

Golf claps all around.

And although he quickly claimed victory and retreated, I eagerly anticipate his return to tell you why you’re wrong on a technicality. Or will he move the goalposts?

Leely
Leely
9 years ago

Wow. NWOslave’s behavior in this thread really defines the phrase “double down on stupid.”

Alpha Asshole Cock Carousel
Alpha Asshole Cock Carousel
9 years ago

Yeah, stats don’t work that way. You can’t extrapolate that far in advance. I mean, if the trend continues, there will be negative people!

But … but … don’t you know that the logistic curve and a simple linear function have the same “root” numbers? And so they’re really the same function? Also, algebra uses Greek letters, so it’s the same language as Russian.

Pecunium
9 years ago

Sharculese: I think he means The Balkans: which were (in the time of Cyril) Still very much in linguistic flux, not yet having settled on slavic languages for the majority of the region [there was a Khaganate, which was speaking a proto-bulgarian, and the influence of Byzantine Greek was still strong. There is a small pocket, on the Black Sea, in what it now Turkey which still speaks what is basically Koine], as well as some Latinate influence (which is now modern Romanian).

Religion determined which alphabet was in use, even when the languages (like Serb/Croat) are practically the same.

But you know, BALtic/BALkan, they have the same root so it’s all good.

Also, some letters have different forms when written, from the form used when printed. The Written, “T” looks like a printed “m”, esp when used in the lower case; also, the verb, “to be” is never conjugated in the present tense. One doesn’t say, “I am…X”.

As a non-native speaker this took some work to get my brain around, and then it made perfect sense (as with the plural form of the number one). If one isn’t, then one cannot be speaking/doing, etc., ergo saying, “I am an Engineer” is pointless.

But hey, it’s just a different syntax.

Kave
Kave
9 years ago

It irks me to no end when people decide they know everything about a country without ever even being there. All I’ve been is a tourist in Russia and the Baltic’s and it’s quite clear to me the only feminism that could have been imposed by the communists is working outside of the home.

As for the abortions I’ve never been to a country where owning (that is the only word) a young woman who looks good on your arm while your doing business or on vacation while the wife stays home to raise the kids is quite so rampant. In fact going out with your wife is quite unheard of (which I was made aware of over and over again). Eighteen year old arm candy is not the mother of your children.

Hershele Ostropoler
9 years ago

Slavey:

Non feminist countries range around an average of 5.

Are there feminist countries? Where? I’d like to live in one.

z r mcd:

Slaver had no idea he was walking into someone’s actual areas of expertise.

You’re giving him too much credit. I don’t think he knows comparative linguistics is a real thing. I’m not wholly convinced he knows Russian is a real language.

Pecunium
9 years ago

I’m not convinced he is willing to concede anyone who disagrees with him about anything, is competent in anything.

comrade svilova
comrade svilova
9 years ago

Я говорю только немного по-русски. Но Я знаю, что NWOSlave — вы не правильно.

Pecunium
9 years ago

CS, I don’t think NWO deserves anything but тыковатъ.

I might also have made, “что NWOSlave” into, “Я знаю, об NWOSlave сейчас он не правильно, как обычно.

David K. Meller
David K. Meller
9 years ago

Amy Angelwings-September 21, 2011, at 9:37

“Your kind” refers to man-hating, castrating, obnoxious, and vicious women who are making life HELL for real people, of both sexes, over the past four decades or so! There is certainly something you and yours can do. Cease interfering with the lives of real women, let evolution take its normal course, both social and genetic, and confine your unisex to people like yourselves.

Repeal all of the legislation enacted at the behest of women in the past 91 years or so, starting with the XIX amendment to the Constitution. restore normal gender segregation in schools and workplaces, renormalize the civil service and Armed Forces (both enlistees and Command Personnel), and focus skills-related education and apprenticeships where they would do the most good, to wit, math, science, and engineering skills focused on boys and young men, domestic, homemaking, and childcare skills focused on girls. This is, of course, not an exhaustive list, AA, but it certainly contradicts your point that I have no alternative to offer!

Nobinayamu-22September 2011@ 11:00am

If you–or anyone on manboobz–thinks that I am going to let you know about personal correspondence with someone over the internet, you have to be even more STUPID than you sound. The last thing I am going to do is provide a target for you manboobzers to disrupt a budding relationship before it just gets started! I could just imagine you–and many others here–doing it for laughs, slandering me and making me out to be some kind of monster by selective quoting and distorting everything that I have posted here (and elsewhere as well…) and otherwise being nuisances, if not menaces both to me, and to the woman I am destined for.

That ain’t a-happenin’!!

I stand by my statements that you accursed FEMINISTS have, as one of your missions, to make ALL women as gruesome, unisex, and neurotically screwed up as youall are, and whether I seek out traditonal women or not, you will have to get your perverse jollies somewhere else. When I find a nice woman, rest assured, you and your wretched unisex kind will be the last to know!

Ditto for PFKAE–22September 2011@2:03pm

There is no way I would endanger other men who may already be in trouble, or whose lives have been badly compromised by alleged, imagined, or contrived accusations, allegations, or framings of rape, domestic violence, incest, spousal “abuse”, child :”abuse” etc. by naming them, even in pseudonym, on this website (or any website, for that matter) without their WRITTEN consent, and advice of their counsel). the bias of the law is such that merely mentioning them and their situations could further jeopardize them and their future (to the extent that they have any). Suffice to say, the abuses of feminism are so widespread, and so carelessly spread around, that if you are interested, all you have to do is keep your eyes and ears open–along with your heart, if you have any!

Lotsa luck!! Try for some other sucker…

Kristinmh– 21 September 2011@8:56pm

Dogs are very nice in some ways, and real women are nice in others. Feminists, on the other hand, are no good for anybody anywhere! There are still certain things that a suitably trained woman can do that a dog, no matter how smart and well trained, cannot do. That is why I am interested in female companionship. Women also have a means of addressing a man’s personal needs in a way that a pet simply can’t.

NO!! I am NOT going to explain anything more. I’ve said too much already!

Holly Pervocracy
Holly Pervocracy
9 years ago

Women also have a means of addressing a man’s personal needs in a way that a pet simply can’t.

…have you tried peanut butter?

Alpha Asshole Cock Carousel
Alpha Asshole Cock Carousel
9 years ago

the woman I am destined for

… may God have mercy on her soul.

Molly Ren
9 years ago

“If you–or anyone on manboobz–thinks that I am going to let you know about personal correspondence with someone over the internet, you have to be even more STUPID than you sound. The last thing I am going to do is provide a target for you manboobzers to disrupt a budding relationship before it just gets started!”

I am glad you are getting out more and making efforts to meet people, DKM. I hope it turns out well for you.

Pecunium
9 years ago

Women also have a means of addressing a man’s personal needs in a way that a pet simply can’t.

…have you tried peanut butter?

He could also try a stuffed chicken, or a melon, warmed a bit.

Meller: What, we aren’t real people? My feminist lovers and I are pretty damned happy.

Same for the people here, Molly, Kristine, Shaenon, Nobinyamu, Comrade Slivova, CB, Zombie McDonald.

The only unhappy sorts seem to be the anti-feminists. I can see that. The slave-owners were unhappy with abolitionists, the Robber Barons with Unionisers, etc.

You are on the losing side of history.

Sucks to be you.

comrade svilova
comrade svilova
9 years ago

Pecunium, спасибо! 🙂

comrade svilova
comrade svilova
9 years ago

DKM, my girlfriend thinks I take care of her pretty well, and not just sexually 😉 I cook, sew, preserve food, and other womanly things. In fact, while I cook I usually listen to Rachel Maddow’s show. So I combine my femininity and feminism XD

Amnesia
Amnesia
9 years ago

Housework gives me no satisfaction. I can only deal with children for short periods of time. Being forced into such a role would be a good recipe for creating a nagging, irritable housewife who never wants to have sex. You know, all those stereotypes that MRAs deplore so much.

Amnesia
Amnesia
9 years ago

^stereotypical woman traits

Pam
Pam
9 years ago

Housework gives me no satisfaction. I can only deal with children for short periods of time.

Ah, but you need to be “properly trained” into believing that housework, child-rearing and being of service to men… basically, total self-abnegation in deference to men… gives you ultimate satisfaction. This “natural” and “normal” state of being can only be achieved through “proper training”, as how can something even be natural or normal unless we force it into being so. How can we expect evolution to take its normal course unless we guide it along by devolving.

hellkell
hellkell
9 years ago

Meller, do you really think we’d tank your correspondence with whatever mail-order bride you have on deck? Give us some credit; we don’t care, except to sympathize with her.

Amnesia
Amnesia
9 years ago

@Pam
You mean like Stockholm Syndrome?

Bostonian
Bostonian
9 years ago

DKM, you are a monster in every way. Even a traditional woman will find that in you, it is only a matter of time. I hope she finds out before she ever shares a room with you.

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
9 years ago

All we would have to do is show her the words that you have written. Nothing less, and nothing more.

No woman, anywhere, would be willing to be stripped of her rights and totally dependent on the chance a man will not hurt her for her survival-at the first opportunity she will run.

Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
9 years ago

No traditional woman would have Meller. The “traditional”‘women that I’ve known are, in fact, happy being stay at home wives and mothers. They are loved by their husbands, children, and communities. They are brilliant, warm, educated women, who have been fortunate enough to discover the path that is right for them and partners whose goals and means match their own.

They are not, however, women who lack autonomy and an inherent sense of self worth. They are not servants who would could ever be happy with a man who considered them less than human and had little concern for their mental and emotional well-being.

They would all, to a woman, hold the frog-man (Meller) in utter contempt.

To be fair, I seriously doubt that Meller is interested in female companionship. His paltry needs could easily be met with a cleaning service, cheap take out food, the occasional microwaveable frozen dinner, a tube of astro-glide and and a used roll of toilet paper. With, of course, all due respect to used rolls of toilet paper.

Bedsores and Loneliness!!!!!!!
Nobinayamu