From time to time, something will happen on the Internet or in real life that I know I should write about for Man Boobz, but it’s so infuriating or depressing that I can’t bring myself to write about it. The recent bullshit on Reddit involving a young woman whose story of a sexual assault was met with angry disbelief until she provided video proof that her injuries were real is a perfect case in point.
Briefly, what happened is this:
A young woman posted about a sexual assault she’d endured a day or so earlier – a man had tried to rape her, pushing her to the ground and scraping her face on the pavement. In a separate topic she posted a picture of her injuries, most notably a giant scrape on her cheek. You can see it at right; click on the picture to see it full size.
Then another Redditor noticed that some time back, the same woman had posted a picture of herself in zombie makeup. This, he said, made him skeptical that her injuries were real — it was probably just a good makeup job.
That was all it took to send Reddit into a full internet lynch mob frenzy: obviously this woman was a liar and an attention whore and, even worse, possibly a feminist anti-rape activist! Redditors suddenly became both medical and makeup experts, and declared that the giant scrape on her face was obviously phony. (Not to me; I tried arguing with several of them to no avail.) It got ugly, very ugly, very quickly.
The woman at the heart of the storm asked if she needed to post an actual video of her cleaning the wound on her face to show that it was real; a redditor demanded that she do just that.
So she did. (Here it is.) Long story short: the scrape is real. The woman also posted a picture of the business card given to her by the police detective she’s spoken to when reporting the incident. It’s now pretty clear that there is no reason to doubt that her story is true. Even the Redditor who originally challenged her story realized that she was almost certainly telling the truth.
Here’s her post offering proof to back up her story.
At this point the lynch mob lost its steam; some people even apologized to her.
But the evidence of the ugliness remains in a host of different threads and different subforums on Reddit. I honestly don’t have the energy or the patience to sift through all of the ugliness; luckily, Jezebel has given a decent account of the whole spectacle; you can go there to get some more of the details.
You might also want to look in to the main thread where most of the ugliness occurred — though at this point many of the vile accusatory comments that got upvoted when everyone seemed to assume she was lying have been retroactively voted down. (The screenshot I posted above gives a better idea of what it looked like at the time; here’s another screenshot with some of the choicer comments.)
Naturally, Men’s Rightsers contributed to the ugliness – though most of the worst comments appeared outside of the Men’s Rights subreddit, and a surprising number of r/mr regulars refused to jump on the original “she’s a liar” bandwagon.
While many Men’s Rightsters are now apologetic, others still think she may be lying.
Here’s a good discussion of the whole thing in ShitRedditSays, and a followup.
@Pecunium: “almost by definition” then.
Hershele: No. By common understanding. The police will rarely arrest for simple battery that doesn’t involve injury, but it does happen. Assault (which doesn’t require contact, at all) is not uncommon as a charge.
It’s often a, “lesser included” offense in other crimes.
Uh, ‘lip raped’? Yeah…. no.
Ah yes, nothing like a good internet lynch mob frenzy!
@Ami Hi there, internetz identical twin!
DKM:
This from a guy who thinks laughing at cancer patients is the height of fucking hilarity.
DKM: What perjury? Has Ms Diallo been accused? Charged? Declining to prosecute (which is what I understand was done in this case) is NOT the same as ‘that bitch lied.’
Meller opined: My posts are all as clean as a hound’s tooth, as truthful as can be,
Which is shown false in this very post… because of Ms. Diallo’s perjury
Until, and unless, she is convicted, this is a libelous (though probably not actionably so) statement.
And so Meller has told two untruths in that single comment.
Hey, DKM? Men can be raped/assaulted, too.
Ms Diallo, it is true, was not convicted of making any false statements! Her case was dismissed because of her many inconsistent if not contradictory statements. Truth has an internal consistency, whether you are talking about “rape” or not. If I say that “yesterday was a rainy day” and on a later occasion I say “yesterday was a sunny day”. One of these statements can be true, and the other will be, and must be false, or both can be false (maybe the day was overcast and cloudy, but NOT raining, and NOT sunny) but they cannot BOTH be true!
She makes statements, for example, that she is “a devout Moslem” and then associates with folks whose behavior NO devout Moslem would ever associate with. She asserts that she was the victim of “gang rape” back in Africa which all available evidence suggests never happened! There were others but they escape me right now, but certainly don’t make the rape “victim” sound more truthful!
Making false statements UNDER OATH in a police investigation of a felony (and her defendant WAS facing several counts of felony indictments) is PERJURY! If a male complainant ever tried that , he would probably be charged additionally with several charges of obstruction of justice as well as a very nasty civil lawsuit from the government of New York to recover costs incurred in investigating his “charges”, something we also have not yet seen here–or similar false accusations where MEN are victimized–, but since the Diallo woman is female, there is,so far at least, a pass for her, as in so many other women!
If you sign a statement to the police, or the Prosecutors office, alleging a felony action against you, your statements had better reflect perfect consistency with the known facts, or at the very least you will find your case dismissed, and at worst (if you have the misfortune of a Y chromosome) YOU will be in the defendant’s docket before you can blink an eye!
Given the reality of the above, I stand by my evaluation of her inconsistent and perhaps even contradictory statements, Pecunium, as PERJURY, at the very least, and as long as women are favored by the police and courts with this, rape charges by them, will be given MUCH shorter shrift by me than similar accounts by men. As with the Army, gender “equality” is a real kick in the balls when it cuts both ways, isn’t it?
PEACE AND FREEDOM!!
David K. Meller
I’m sure the legal team here can correct me, but this seems wrong:
“Making false statements UNDER OATH in a police investigation”
I don’t think you’re under oath during an investigation. Trial, yes.
Of course DKM and being wrong go together like chocolate and peanut butter.
Of course they can-because a day that starts out sunny can turn rainy by the end of the day.
Not only that but if you use sunny as in a joyful day, it could be a rainy day and yet your day was filled with sunshine because you were happy. (and yes I am only using this as an excuse to post this song:
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In neither situation are you lying and both statements are true.
Also, the prosecutor thought she had issues with credibility (as in that there *may* have been false statements made at various times in her life) however there were and are no formal charges against her for squat to do with lying.
David K. Meller, if you expect victims to always have perfect consistency when describing an event, then you have unrealistic expectations. If you ask me to give you a perfect description of my last trip to the grocery store, I guarantee you it would not be perfectly accurate. I don’t remember a lot of the details. If I guessed I put bananas in the cart before lettuce, you could say “Aha! I caught your lie! Wal-Mart cameras show you put the lettuce in before the bananas!”, That wouldn’t mean I didn’t actually go to the store. It means I have a normal human memory and I can’t give you a perfect transcript of every minute. Why would a rape victim, someone who went through a terrible trauma, be expected to remember every minute detail of their trauma? My memory of the tornado is kind of a blur. Does that mean there was no Joplin tornado? Eyewitness accounts of anything tend to be flawed.
Right now you don’t have enough evidence to accuse Diallo of perjury. If anything, you could say she is guilty of not being a “perfect rape victim”. What I mean by that is people will accuse a woman of lying about rape unless she is a virgin, dressed modestly, never drinks, never lies, and goes to church every Sunday. Even then, people will come up with all sorts of reasons to accuse her of “asking for it”. Look at the OP. The assholes at Reddit accused the girl of lying simply because she did zombie makeup once. That is a terrible reason to say such vile, hurtful things like they did. I’m sick of the MRA’s constantly talking about false rape accusations, yet never admitting how many times they falsely accuse victims of lying.
Oh, Meller: perjury is a very specific crime. It requires that one tell a material falsehood under oath.
There was no trial, there was no perjury.
More to the point, since the law on libel is clear in a different way; you have said she committed perjury. Perjury is a crime. If one has not been so much as charged with the crime one is engaging in, de jure libel (even if not de facto.
But the thing is, and this is the sticking point, we don’t know what happened. Because there isn’t going to be a trial, we can’t know more than what the varius papers/news broadcasts choose to share with us.
So, the jury is out. It’s quite possible that there was an assualt.
But hey… if saying one thing, and then another proves one is incapable of honesty… we now know you can’t, by your own standards be trusted. Because you have said women who won’t toe your line of “feminine” second-class status deserve to be killed, and before that, longed for, purging of the evil women of the world you delight in every woman who gets cancer; because the evil feminists have made all women complicit crimes against men/society which can only be paid in blood.
Then you denied it.
So, QED, per the Logic of Meller™, we know that Meller can, and should, be disblieved in all things.
Thanks for making that it so plain that you tell intentional lies.
No devout Muslim woman would ever be raped? That’s yet another load of bullshit you’ve tried to shovel on us, DKM. (and yes, a day can be both rainy and sunny – try living in Michigan. you might also try not being an asshole, but I doubt you’re willing to go to that much effort.)
DKM’s accuser may have lied about things that weren’t the rape, so it was totally reasonable to think this person on Reddit was a liar.
…Is that about right?
Apparently the “perfect victim” standard is being expanded to where every victim of rape has to be “perfect” before any of them are credible.
Holly: No, a dead victim can be believed, because then we know she fought.
If, however, someone is incorrectly convicted, then we know the bitch lied.
Yesterday was a beautiful sunny day in Toronto. Then it got colder and started to rain, while I was out on my bicycle too.
Have I blown your mind, DKM?
The nit-picking of eyewitness accounts is common among conspiracy theorists too – they’ll read a harrowing story from a survivor of, say, the London subway bombings and instead of feeling horrified, sympathetic, shattered, anything a person with functioning empathy would feel, they focus on any minor inconsistencies they can find and use that to bolster their theory. What can you do, people overestimate the accuracy of human memory, and if you really want to prove that rape victims are always lying/Obama was born in Kenya/aliens are responsible for Pearl Harbor, you’ll see what you want to see.
Okay, I should have been more specific. I should have clearly specified “a day cannot be sunny and rainy AT THE SAME TIME.!
I also should have made it clear, yes a “devout Moslem” can be “raped”! Merely citing inconsistencies of her behavior with Islamic observance (here in the land of the “great satan” no less) doesn’t mean that she lied about being raped. I apologize for not making the self-evident clearer.
I have said that women who consistantly damage human society by rejecting their cultural gender norming and promoting feminism might escalate hostility between the sexes to the point where continuing coexistence becomes impossible, and men would be forced to discover better arrangements. This is NOT saying women, now or then “ought to” be killed, but it also reminds us that men will NOT consent to OUR castraion (physical or emotional), least of all by those who are supposed to be our helpmeets and lovers! For the millionth time, I never said that the women–even the feminists–“deserve to die”! Feminists have “declared a kind of “war on men”. What are we men supposed to do, surrender? I don’t know what the answer to this question would be to the renegade-male feminist housepets on manboobz.com, I assure you, and them, that for the rest of us, taking our cue from our friends south of the border reply to them: “No way, Jose!”
Again, for the millionth time, I did not, and never would “laugh at women afflicted with cancer”!
I laugh at women WHO ENJOY THE SPECTACLE OF MALE MUTILATION AND CASTRATION–and only those women–who develop cancer. I hope, and expect, that they will eventually experience the suffering that they have inflicted upon innocent others! That example was the only way that I can communicate the HORROR of what women like Francine Hughes or Lorena Bobbit did, and what feminists like Sharon Osbourne, and their accursed sisterhood ENJOY SO MUCH!! Your indignation, even if it misplaced with the post in question, shows me that I have indeed made my point! Drop it already.
Please excuse all the caps. I get a little tired of repeating self-evident and entirely normal considerations to people who otherwise seem to be of normal intelligence! A little ‘shouting’
becomes understandable!
Again, please excuse some of the unintentional logical ambiguity extant in my previous post(s). I forgot that I was talking mostly to women–and men who imitate them! They don’t apparently have the same capacity for logical thought that men have. Pardon me! I will try to phrase arguments more precisely in the future!
PEACE AND FREEDOM!!
David K. Meller
PS- While it hurts just thinking about it, has anyone ever asked HOW an unarmed man, twice the age of the woman in question and while he may be physically well set up, is certianly no superman, FORCES fellatio upon an unwilling partner. Wouldn’t a man who tried this–however horny or sex-crazed–risk having his male organ BITTEN OFF?
OUCH!!–This hurts even thinking about it! This simple and rather self-evident objection raises a point that is strongly, if not incontrovertibly, in Monsieur Strauss-Kahn’s favor? Let’s talk about this, before we assume the automatic “victimhood” of the Diallo woman, shall we?DKM
DKM, rape isn’t always just sticking it in. More often, it’s saying or implying “I’m going to to something horrible if you don’t let me do this,” and then sticking it in. If a woman doesn’t want to take her chances with the horrible thing, that’s not consent to sex.
As for the rest of it, I just don’t take you seriously, except that you seem to be advocating responding to something that’s “kinda like a war, I mean metaphorically, not that anyone’s shooting but it’s basically practically war-ish” with literal war.
Also you’re “I don’t endorse violence against women… but who knows what they might force us to do… can’t blame us if something happens if you push us too hard” tactics are fucking hilarious. You sound like the bad guy from a Saturday morning cartoon–you know, the one who isn’t too subtle with his schemes, so six-year-olds can follow along and understand what he really means.
“It can’t be sunny and rainy at the same time”?
Uh, yes. Yes it can. It’s called a sunshower.
Yeah, not really gonna happen. You said something horrible, you should at least own what you said and quit trying to weasel your way out of it.
Yes it can, it was this week here in Phoenix.
The rest of your comment was as little thought out and written as the rest of your idiocy.
“a day cannot be sunny and rainy AT THE SAME TIME.!”
You have never lived in Seattle if you think that.
hellkell: Or on Lake Michigan – I’ve seen cloudbreaks during rainstorms, and the sunlight shooting through over the water was… just amazing. I’ve also seen waterspouts, and nearly had the skin sanded off my legs by blowing sand, so it’s not always a bowl of cherries.