From time to time, something will happen on the Internet or in real life that I know I should write about for Man Boobz, but it’s so infuriating or depressing that I can’t bring myself to write about it. The recent bullshit on Reddit involving a young woman whose story of a sexual assault was met with angry disbelief until she provided video proof that her injuries were real is a perfect case in point.
Briefly, what happened is this:
A young woman posted about a sexual assault she’d endured a day or so earlier – a man had tried to rape her, pushing her to the ground and scraping her face on the pavement. In a separate topic she posted a picture of her injuries, most notably a giant scrape on her cheek. You can see it at right; click on the picture to see it full size.
Then another Redditor noticed that some time back, the same woman had posted a picture of herself in zombie makeup. This, he said, made him skeptical that her injuries were real — it was probably just a good makeup job.
That was all it took to send Reddit into a full internet lynch mob frenzy: obviously this woman was a liar and an attention whore and, even worse, possibly a feminist anti-rape activist! Redditors suddenly became both medical and makeup experts, and declared that the giant scrape on her face was obviously phony. (Not to me; I tried arguing with several of them to no avail.) It got ugly, very ugly, very quickly.
The woman at the heart of the storm asked if she needed to post an actual video of her cleaning the wound on her face to show that it was real; a redditor demanded that she do just that.
So she did. (Here it is.) Long story short: the scrape is real. The woman also posted a picture of the business card given to her by the police detective she’s spoken to when reporting the incident. It’s now pretty clear that there is no reason to doubt that her story is true. Even the Redditor who originally challenged her story realized that she was almost certainly telling the truth.
Here’s her post offering proof to back up her story.
At this point the lynch mob lost its steam; some people even apologized to her.
But the evidence of the ugliness remains in a host of different threads and different subforums on Reddit. I honestly don’t have the energy or the patience to sift through all of the ugliness; luckily, Jezebel has given a decent account of the whole spectacle; you can go there to get some more of the details.
You might also want to look in to the main thread where most of the ugliness occurred — though at this point many of the vile accusatory comments that got upvoted when everyone seemed to assume she was lying have been retroactively voted down. (The screenshot I posted above gives a better idea of what it looked like at the time; here’s another screenshot with some of the choicer comments.)
Naturally, Men’s Rightsers contributed to the ugliness – though most of the worst comments appeared outside of the Men’s Rights subreddit, and a surprising number of r/mr regulars refused to jump on the original “she’s a liar” bandwagon.
While many Men’s Rightsters are now apologetic, others still think she may be lying.
Here’s a good discussion of the whole thing in ShitRedditSays, and a followup.
But sharing a root doesn’t make them the same. We aren’t speaking Hindi here.
First:
Later”
Then why are you issuing ultimatums?
@Flib
I don’t know who herp mcderp or Nozick is but that hardly matters. What really matters is none of you can even admit being 100% wrong about the root alphabet of the Russian language and why there are a few variances. So I will. It has the same root alphabet as English, Spanish, ect. The reason for any variance is purely demographic. The baltic being a seperate culture at the time would of course come up with additional letters and uses of existing letter, and rules and so forth due to isolation, region and culture. Just like German, English and Spanish have varying rules of grammar.
The point is of course, I was 100% right, and the vast majority of you, who so quickly agreed with fellow feminist Sir Knight were 100% wrong.
So good night, das ve danya, astalavista, and for you Pecunium. I hope I’m saying this correctly, you’re very Vy glupy. Do let me know if I’ve said that properly, won’t you?
Written Russian is based on Old Church Slavonic, developed in the 9th century by the Byzantine missionaries Methodius and Cyril (hence Cyrillic) so they could translate the Bible into Slavic languages.
Your turn!
Lol, Greek and Latin are, like, totally the same, lol
Cyrillic 101
vowels
so… russian does have five vowel sounds, with two versions of each, the soft and the long, but he doesnt quite have the way it works right:
а (ah) and я (yah)
э (eh) and e (yeh)
ы (no real english equivalent, its kind of like ‘ih’, but more um… constipated) and и (ee)
o (oh) and e (yo [handwritten, its an e with umlauts, typed, its just e, which leads to all kinds of fun in transliteration of names])
у (oo) and ю (yoo)
consonants
okay, so cyrillic was developed by a monk named st. cyril (hence the name) so he could teach the bible to russians and other slavs. its a mixture of the roman alphabet (owlslave, this is what you keep calling the english alphabet, fyi) and the greek alphabet, with more of the latter than the former. theres also so borrowing from a few other alphabets to fit the needs of russian.
consonants that are the same as the roman alphabet
in addition to a and o, theres three more
m
t
consonants that look roman, but work differently
cyrillic b = roman v
cyrillic c = roman s
consonants taken from the greek alphabet
these dont all look the same as in greek, but theyre all taken from there
б (b)
г (g, [and in certain situations, mostly endings of adjective forms, operates as v])
д (d)
k (k [taken from the greek kappa, not the roman k])
л (l)
п (p)
р (r [from the greek rho])
ф (f)
x (kh)
consonants from other alphabets
ж (zh)
з (z)
н (n)
ч (ch)
ц (ts)
ш (sh)
щ (shch)
the modifying letters
theres a name for these i cant remember, but basically russian has 3 letters that dont make a sound of their own but modify the letter in from of them
the hard sign (ъ) and the soft sign (ь) make consonants harder or softer. the communists actually eliminated the soft sign, so you only see it in pre-soviet writing.
й makes vowels longer kind of like a vowel blend with i or e
so yeah… cyrillic has like five letters in common with the roman alphabet, but it relies much more heavily on the greek and certainly the two look nothing alike.
Lol, Greek and Latin are, like, totally the same, lol
Were you here for NWO’s “I don’t know the Latin alphabet!” debacle a few months back?
Slavey, ah, right, you are cowardly retreating when I’ve proven you wrong. You don’t want to even engage with what I’ve been talking about after I shot you down. Got it, cowardly fake lying engineer.
I think I must have missed that one or didn’t follow it long enough. I probably read the post and the first page of comments. Wasn’t this thread originally about a young woman who was injured in an attempted sexual assault?
I love the “I have the right to drive and having to get a license is an infringement on that right” argument. Too funny. I wonder if he would consider having to get a pilot’s license and obey air traffic control an infringement on his right to fly a plane however the fuck he wants. I wonder if stopping at red lights is an infringement on his right to cause accidents.
Of course, what do we know? We need “Big Daddy Government” to tell us when to stop for traffic. Libertarian John Galts like him drive wherever the fuck they want, and children in the crosswalk be damned. Of course, he cares more about children because abortion; after they’re born, fuck ’em (sometimes literally).
NWO, you are the only free man among all the sheeple. Shine on, you crazy diamond.
I don’t know who herp mcderp or Nozick is but that hardly matters. What really matters is none of you can even admit being 100% wrong about the root alphabet of the Russian language and why there are a few variances. So I will. It has the same root alphabet as English, Spanish, ect. The reason for any variance is purely demographic. The baltic being a seperate culture at the time would of course come up with additional letters and uses of existing letter, and rules and so forth due to isolation, region and culture. Just like German, English and Spanish have varying rules of grammar.
yeah, ‘the baltics’ is not the same thing as slavs, but either way, they didnt ‘come up’ with a language, for whatever reason they never got into the written word, it had to be imposed on them.
england, france, germany, spain, these countries all have a thing in common that eastern europe doesnt share: they spent long periods of time under the thumb of the roman catholic church. the catholics wrote in latin, so the roman alphabet became standard. look at old english, for example- looks totally different. theres no way that would have developed into something resembling the roman alphabet.
cyril, who brought writing to the russians, was an emissary of the greek orthodox church, so he gave them a language largely based on greek. he in fact, did need a few extra letters, but he didn’t ‘come up’ with them, he borrowed them, including the roman ‘t’ and ‘m’
so yeah, you are in fact 100% wrong here. but then again what did you expect trying to lecture people who know russian on how the language works?
NWO: I speak russian. I am a linguist. As a function of that I am more than passing familiar with linguistics.
Your understanding of Russian is slightly greater than your understanding of infinitely differentiable Rheimannian manifolds. Боже мой!.
Alphebets are orthography. Russian has 10 vowels, though one of them them is classed as a consonant, because the gender of nouns (of which they have three, masculine, feminine, and neuter) would be six kinds of screwed up if й were classed as vowel.
Most of those vowels have two different forms, stressed and unstressed.
I assume when you write “sytax” you mean syntax (from Ancient Greek σύνταξις “arrangement” from σύν syn, “together”, and τάξις táxis, “an ordering”) is the study of the principles and rules for constructing phrases and sentences in natural languages.
In addition to referring to the overarching discipline, the term syntax is also used to refer directly to the rules and principles that govern the sentence structure of any individual language, as in “the syntax of Modern Irish.”
That’s about as meaningful as saying that Latin, or Swahili, is just like English, but with different rules of syntax, ignoring completely the differences in vocabulary, verb structure, phonemic patterns, management of tense (quick, how many tenses in English? How many in Russian? How many does the native speaker of Russian think there are?), grammatical rules, gendering of nouns, conjugational patterns, etc.
Russian has completely different rules. It’s a declined language, the parts of speech are not defined by their relational position to other parts of the thought but by how the words end.
Питер любит Анну = Питер Анну любит = Анну Питер любит = любит Анну Питер = Анну любит Питер
The equivalent sentences in English would read, “Peter loves Anna = Peter Anna loves = Anna Peter Loves = Loves Anna Peter = Anna Loves Peter.
The meanings are very different betweent he first and last in English. In Russian the meaning doesn’t change (well, that’s not quite true, but the difference is subtle, “Peter loves Anna, vs. Anna is loved by Peter; but I digress).
Now please stop with your silly nonsense where you try to prove a point on which your so obviously wrong, and completely, obviously, painfully, totally, ignorant.
Ancient Greek Unical Script and the Glatgolitic alphabet is where the Cyrillic alphabet derives. It was created in the tenth century. Spoken Russian predates it, as does the use of the Galgolitic alphabet for slavic languages. The origins of the Galgolitic alphabet are historically disputed.
Oooh, ahhhh, I have access to the google and an ability to read.
NWO: What is it you want, the “root alphabet” or the root language?
How far back are we going?
Legend ascribes the Cyrillic alphabe to St. Cyril, a semi-missionary of the Orthodox Religion, from Constantinople. That alphabet is still in use as, Church Slavonic. It bears little resemblance to Modern Cyrillic.
The “Root Language” would be “proto-Slavic”. A declined language of the steppes. There are a number of loan words from German and French. As is common with all declined languages there are cases for nouns.
In Russian these are (as a rough guide)
Nominative: This is the undeclined form of the subject of a sentence (this is often modified by the verb).
Accusative: This is the direct object of a verb (though verbs of motion affect this in strange ways. Motion, and time, are special cases in Russian, and “verbs of carriage” combine aspects of both)
Dative: Indirect objects (verbs of giving/transfer, or verbs which in English would use “to/for”)
Genitive: Statements/conditions/verbs of possession.
Instrumental: Verbs of doing/profession, things done with.
“Prepostional”/locative. A strange catchall case for things which don’t come under other rules.
How things are arranged allows for nuance. The difference between, “I don’t know”, and, “It is unknown to me” is how the three words are arranged.
Explaining time, or motion, would take more time than I feel like wasting on you, and more space than the rest of the community probably cares to spend.
@pecunium- all languages in the indo-european family are really the same at heart
spanish is barely distinguishable from punjabi
if you speak german, you can probably understand turkish
Sharculeese: england, france, germany, spain, these countries all have a thing in common that eastern europe doesnt share: they spent long periods of time under the thumb of the roman catholic church. the catholics wrote in latin, so the roman alphabet became standard. look at old english, for example- looks totally different. theres no way that would have developed into something resembling the roman alphabet.
I’ll have to differ here, France, Germany, Spain, England, all spent time under the Roman Empire, long before the Hegemony of the Roman Catholic Church became the unifying religion, which gave them the Latin alphabet.
Africa, because of the Muslim conversion, gave up the Latin Script for the Arabic (even in Persian/Farsi, which is an Indo-European language, more closely related to the languages of Europe and India than Semitic Languages of the Middle East (Elamaic, Aramaic, Hebrew and Arabic).
The point is of course, I was 100% right, and the vast majority of you, who so quickly agreed with fellow feminist Sir Knight were 100% wrong.
See, now this is true freedom: the freedom to say whatever the fuck you want regardless of whether it makes any sense. Preach it, brother! Don’t let those facts keep you down!
FREEDOM!!!
Sharculese: Turkish isn’t Indo-European, it’s Altaic. Like Korean and Japanese.
NWO: As a native speaker of Russian, I am completely blown away by your claims about Russia and the Russian language. Russia is one of the least feminist industrialized countries, where the double standard rules and “feminist” is a dirty word. Hell, until about 10 years ago, virtually no women in Russia even knew how to drive, that’s how strong the double standard is. If Russia has a a low male life expectancy rate, that’s due to a complex interplay of the laissez-faire economy, crumbling infrastructure and the terrible state of the environment — you know, all the things we are sure to have under Libertarianism — but not feminism. The high abortion rate, in fact, is a testament to how macho and patriarchal the Russian society is: few women can afford birth control pills, and men refuse to wear condoms. Not only is it uncommon, for married men especially, to deign to wear condoms or indeed, have anything to do with birth control — which is considered a woman’s problem — but this behavior is tolerated and considered socially acceptable. It’s women who are responsible to prevent pregnancy one way or the other, without any inconvenience to their husbands or boyfriends — and for the millions of women who cannot get the pill, that means multiple abortions. This is not new, by the way. For as long as I remember, to be a married woman in Russian meant having an abortion every 12 to 18 months. You know NOTHING about Russia’s society, culture or mores. You just make shit up. And then you have the temerity to accuse others of lying.
Next: Where do you get off telling us what the structure of Russian is in the same breath that you admit you don’t even know the language? Boy, you have some chutzpah. I’m sure it’s gonna fly right over your pathetic little head, but there are profound differences between the English and the Russian grammars, a fact to which our resident students of Russian will, I am sure, attest. Word of advice: don’t make claims about things you know nothing about. If you don’t fucking know the language, don’t make claims about its grammar.
I’ll have to differ here, France, Germany, Spain, England, all spent time under the Roman Empire, long before the Hegemony of the Roman Catholic Church became the unifying religion, which gave them the Latin alphabet.
yeah, i was gonna say it was cause of the roman empire originally but then i was looking at pages from beowulf and i confused myself. on closer inspection most of those letters are recognizable.
Sharculese: Turkish isn’t Indo-European, it’s Altaic. Like Korean and Japanese.
that is interesting, and what i get for guessing.
So if “alphabet A contains a few letters borrowed from alphabet B” equals “alphabet A IS THE SAME AS alphabet B,” wouldn’t that logically mean that any language which has borrowed a number of words from another language IS THE SAME AS that language?
Congratulations, NWO. You’re speaking French. (I bet it’s somehow the Rothschilds’ fault.)
Yeah?! Well a college age GIRL stole NWO’s job from him because PEPSI co wanted someone cheap and easily trained who could work cooperatively in a team environment!
So there! You smarty smarts with your knowledge and facts and logical thought processes!
Ha! I totally showed YOU!
Incidentally, before the 18th-century reforms, this is what the Russian alphabet looked like. “Root alphabet”, my foot.
I give 5 years at best.
Bookmark it, libs.