From time to time, something will happen on the Internet or in real life that I know I should write about for Man Boobz, but it’s so infuriating or depressing that I can’t bring myself to write about it. The recent bullshit on Reddit involving a young woman whose story of a sexual assault was met with angry disbelief until she provided video proof that her injuries were real is a perfect case in point.
Briefly, what happened is this:
A young woman posted about a sexual assault she’d endured a day or so earlier – a man had tried to rape her, pushing her to the ground and scraping her face on the pavement. In a separate topic she posted a picture of her injuries, most notably a giant scrape on her cheek. You can see it at right; click on the picture to see it full size.
Then another Redditor noticed that some time back, the same woman had posted a picture of herself in zombie makeup. This, he said, made him skeptical that her injuries were real — it was probably just a good makeup job.
That was all it took to send Reddit into a full internet lynch mob frenzy: obviously this woman was a liar and an attention whore and, even worse, possibly a feminist anti-rape activist! Redditors suddenly became both medical and makeup experts, and declared that the giant scrape on her face was obviously phony. (Not to me; I tried arguing with several of them to no avail.) It got ugly, very ugly, very quickly.
The woman at the heart of the storm asked if she needed to post an actual video of her cleaning the wound on her face to show that it was real; a redditor demanded that she do just that.
So she did. (Here it is.) Long story short: the scrape is real. The woman also posted a picture of the business card given to her by the police detective she’s spoken to when reporting the incident. It’s now pretty clear that there is no reason to doubt that her story is true. Even the Redditor who originally challenged her story realized that she was almost certainly telling the truth.
Here’s her post offering proof to back up her story.
At this point the lynch mob lost its steam; some people even apologized to her.
But the evidence of the ugliness remains in a host of different threads and different subforums on Reddit. I honestly don’t have the energy or the patience to sift through all of the ugliness; luckily, Jezebel has given a decent account of the whole spectacle; you can go there to get some more of the details.
You might also want to look in to the main thread where most of the ugliness occurred — though at this point many of the vile accusatory comments that got upvoted when everyone seemed to assume she was lying have been retroactively voted down. (The screenshot I posted above gives a better idea of what it looked like at the time; here’s another screenshot with some of the choicer comments.)
Naturally, Men’s Rightsers contributed to the ugliness – though most of the worst comments appeared outside of the Men’s Rights subreddit, and a surprising number of r/mr regulars refused to jump on the original “she’s a liar” bandwagon.
While many Men’s Rightsters are now apologetic, others still think she may be lying.
Here’s a good discussion of the whole thing in ShitRedditSays, and a followup.
I think the soft/fluffy /= harsh/prickly is the foundation problem of Meller’s. He can’t imagine complexity. If a woman isn’t, “soft and feminine” (and, as such, someone/thing worth cuddling.
A baby which sqauls… not fun. Not fun = evil.
A woman who has her own opinions… not fun. Not fun = evil.
And Evil must be eliminated.
This might (barely, sort of) make sense if feminsts actually wanted to actively deprive him of his fantasy creations. We don’t, we just want women to have the option to do whatever they please.
He, of course, lies when he says he wants to “live and let live” since he wants to force the world to behave so that he never has to think about the soft and fluffy with spines.
And he’d be happy with killing people to bring it about; sees it as inevitable, if his prophetic warnings aren’t heeded, and glories in the suffering of those with whom he disagrees.
This is his idea of love, kindness an tolerance.
But he’s wrong. I’d much rather spend time with Molly, AmandaJane, Nobinayamu, Holly, or (pliers and iodine, included) any of the cholla, than in your company.
Because the cholla, the mammillaria (part of my love for them is the name, “the breast cactus”) even the porcupine (speaking of things which look cuddly, and I’d never want to pet; even if the temptation when I saw one in Ottawa one winter was strong) is they, unlike you, don’t choose to be vicious.
Your venom isn’t that of the Elapidae, or the Crotalidae, no, it’s purely because you want to be. Of your own free will you decided to hate others, and project that hatred onto them, so you could pretend (at least to yourself) that your irrational rage was justified.
Good luck with that, you sad and sorry little man.
“The only time I get nasty, here or elsewhere, is when I see feminists trying to deprive me–and other men–of really soft, feminine, and adorable women!”
We’re not depriving you of anything. You can go find a soft, fluffy woman, if she’ll have you (yes, even they have agency). But in your case you may just want to call the RealDoll folks and be done with it. You certainly don’t want anyone who can talk back or think for themselves.
The people who asserted that my “inability to find soft, fluffy women’ is no fault of feminism are dreadfully mistaken! Every action that feminism takes is to undercut and subvert the woman’s natural femininity, playfulness, and flirty allure and turn it into its opposite. Feminism tells women to be as competitive as possible with men, it tells women to regard men in an adversarial way, it tells women that men are abusive, cruel, and all-round rotten, feminism tells women how the only “safe” thing for a woman to do is to get as far away from those sadistic monsters (men) as she can, and then it is somehow OUR fault when they (otherwise normal women who are turned into feminists) turn out to be so lonely, ugly, and just plain REPULSIVE that the only creatures who will have them are their goofy girlfriends (other feminists, mostly either from college or from their workplace)or their cats, birds or goldfish!
The result is that there are far FEWER normal women in the world to seek out. A lot of men who could, and would, love them, care for them, and take care of them and the children, lose out! The result is that a great number of women who are going to college today are brainwashed into becoming feminists, instead of becoming attractive to men, good hostesses, and entertaining companions. Colleges are in fact, feminist “hatcheries”, churning out manhaters on an assembly line basis, rather than women learning how to be better wives, mothers and homemakers, they learn to dispossess and disenfranchise men in the workplace, in academia, and now, Lord Help Us, even in politics and the Armed Forces!
Anybody who thinks that I will remain quiet while my fellow men and I are shoved to the unemployment heap, if not to the garbage can, has another think coming! Men WILL recover what is ours, we are ENTITLED to soft, fluffy, and delightful women as committed to us inside the home as we care committed to them and theirs outside the home, and it will be the feminists–and those who Ms.-educate them–who are on their way to the unemployment line, if not the garbage pail!
So the only way women can be what you want is for them to be stripped of their civil rights, all recourse to anything resembling justice, any chance at fulfillment beyond simply bearing child after child after child while keeping some house clean (regardless of any natural ability for something beyond those things) and just hope for the best from any male in their life.
If she gets beaten by the man to the point of landing in the hospital, which happened multiple times in the past, what then? And if he kills her for her, is that hunky dory or will you blame her for his actions?
PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth-September21, 2011@7:30
Normally I would remind you that I regard violence against women with abhorence, and the woman has a right to terminate a dangerous relationship. However, I would like to see, for a change, a similar interest in how the rampages through the law, the media, and the economy and civil service have negatively effected MEN (and the women who love them).
What do you feminists intend to do when a man loses his job or a promotion that he has worked his entire adult life for, so that an accursed woman (just out of college) can be hired instead to conform to almost unknown EEOC directive 372-8808GLoC//1492 USA vs. Maartin 1977? If the employer doesn’t comply within 30 days, the governent can close the business permanently with the loss of more than a thousand jobs in the county.
What do you feminists plan to do when a man is arguing (OK, loudly arguing) with his wife, she throws some dishes at him, they hit the wall and break, and then she rushes at him with a kitchen knife, he cuts his hand disarming her, she calls 9-1-1 screams “domestic violence” and HE is arrested, barred from his home, and she presses charges against him sending him to the hoosegow, wrecking his home, his marriage, his career, and his life???
What do you–and women(?) like you–plan to do when, instead of the “domestic violence” malarkey cited in the last paragraph, she cries “rape”, and due to the preposterous “marital rape: laws in force in most states, he is falsely accused and again, his life, his family, and his community standing is ruined. Oh, I see, he is a MAN and hence doesn’t deserve any better!
PFKAE–After 35 or 40 years of feminist hell, almost every man in the USA and Canada either has PERSONALLY experienced one or more of the above, or he KNOWS of someone–a brother or brother-in-law, a father or son, an uncle, a colleague or two at work, a neighbor, or a friend–who has! You feminists didn’t , and don’t , give a HOOT IN HELL (forgive the caps, but a little shouting is overdue!) about those poor men, except to complain that our agony is no longer as quiet as it once was, so why should I give any consideration of you and your damned sisterhood in MY ideal world? I do, out of the kindness of my heart, and the awareness that there still are women who love men, but if you man-hating feminists don’t care about US, we should certainly NOT care about YOU!
PEACE AND FREEDOM!!
David K. Meller
PS–I made up the EEOC bureaucratic directive for illustrative purposes, but everything else in the post is based on real people whom I have met…
“I made up the EEOC bureaucratic directive for illustrative purposes…”
If you made it up, why on earth should we take it seriously?
What do you feminists intend to do when a man loses his job or a promotion that he has worked his entire adult life for, so that an accursed woman (just out of college) can be hired instead to conform to almost unknown EEOC directive 372-8808GLoC//1492 USA vs. Maartin 1977? If the employer doesn’t comply within 30 days, the governent can close the business permanently with the loss of more than a thousand jobs in the county.
What do you feminists plan to do when a man is arguing (OK, loudly arguing) with his wife, she throws some dishes at him, they hit the wall and break, and then she rushes at him with a kitchen knife, he cuts his hand disarming her, she calls 9-1-1 screams “domestic violence” and HE is arrested, barred from his home, and she presses charges against him sending him to the hoosegow, wrecking his home, his marriage, his career, and his life???
What do you–and women(?) like you–plan to do when, instead of the “domestic violence” malarkey cited in the last paragraph, she cries “rape”, and due to the preposterous “marital rape: laws in force in most states, he is falsely accused and again, his life, his family, and his community standing is ruined. Oh, I see, he is a MAN and hence doesn’t deserve any better!
Pretending that we’re going w/ your weird men of straw XD What would you like us to do? 😀
Here’s a good question:
What should the government do when a person is arguing (OK, loudly arguing) with their partner, A throws some dishes at B, they hit the wall and break, and then A rushes at B with a kitchen knife, B cuts zir hand disarming A, A calls 9-1-1 screams “domestic violence” and B is arrested, barred from zir home, and A presses charges against him sending him to the hoosegow, wrecking zir home, zir marriage, zir career, and zir life???
It’s a tricky situation no matter which way you slice it. Do you have a suggestion?
(“Never prosecute domestic violence” would leave men dangerously vulnerable to their violent wives, so that can’t be it.)
Meller, allow me to quote Tony Soprano: “You’re entitled to shit.”
Learn it, love it, liveit.
DKM said,
I never saw anything like that back when I was in college. Do we find these assembly lines of man hate near the student union, the classroom buildings, or the dorms? Is that from an independent studies class? I don’t know how we can deal with such a nefarious plot unless we get more information.
I repeat, DKM, that your ideal woman sounds awfully like my 5-year-old Beagle/Basset Hound cross, Madeline. She’s not exactly fluffy (being a cross of two short-coated breeds), but she is soft and adorable and playful. She doesn’t expect you to buy her flowers (she’d just eat them) and she won’t contradict you, since the only words she can say are “ROOOOOOO!!!” and “HOUND”. Seriously, she says “hound” quite clearly sometimes…it’s a bit unnerving.
As long as you’re prepared to walk, feed, train, provide medical care for, show affection towards, and not abuse an animal, I strongly suggest you get a dog or other pet to fulfill your cuddling needs. And leave women out of it.
Thank you hellkell, exactly what I thought!!
So are you, and the rest of your sisterhood from hell!! Unlike men, however, once you and your horrid kind wake up enough of us, we will see who lives with the most s**t, and has to like it!
Ami Angelwings, I would like you and your spiteful, self-absorbed, narcissistic, and just plain damn SELFISH kind to begin to care about us men and our well being as much as you insist that we men care about you! You feminoids have inflicted an awful lot of damage on an awful lot of men, without so much as a peep of concern or compassion, and without something in the way of concern from you on the impact of feminuttery on US, you grrrlz ain’t gettin’ nada! See what it feels like to go home with empty pockets–and guess who would deserve it?
So I made up a bureaucratic directive for illustrative purposes, and why should youall take it seriously. For the same reason that you expect us men to take your hypotheticals seriously even when, as is always the case. they are nothing but melarkey–lies, damned lies and statistics-concocted up by your activists just to elicit sympathy from renegade male housepets of yours like we see too many of even here on manboobz.com!
Holly Pervocrazy, I was citing a case of a MALE victim of domestic violence. It was he who was defending himself against the she, and HE gets arrested and charged!! Sound familiar?
Entitled? You are entitled to be left alone.
But what you want (in accordance with the not-so-secret Meller Doctrine) is for women to be slaves. If they won’t do it willingly, you are content to force them.
If they won’t accept force, you are willing to replace them with robots, killing all the one’s who aren’t pretty enough to keep as fucktoys for the rich and powerful.
In the meantime you are happy to celebrate the pain and suffering of those women who have cancer; because any woman who isn’t working to bring about the Mellerian Reformation is an evil man-hating harpy and deserves to suffer.
Meller: As a man… let me say I was wrong. You have convinced me that hellkell was right, you are entitled to shit.
Remember this, the next time you pretend you love women:
So are you, and the rest of your sisterhood from hell!! Unlike men, however, once you and your horrid kind wake up enough of us, we will see who lives with the most s**t, and has to like it!
In your world women are supposed to live with shit and like it.
Here’s where the MRAs fail–no one is entitled to anything. To think otherwise is to set yourself up for serious disappoint in life and can lead to whiny screeds on the internet about how women will be replaced by robots, etc.
Hmmm, I thought Meller didn’t ever say anything nasty to anyone.
Peculum, don’t you have a few cacti who need cuddling?
Go pet a porcupine!
DKM, man who hates all women, wants them all to die, yet be fluffy and cuddly just for him…
Ami Angelwings, I would like you and your spiteful, self-absorbed, narcissistic, and just plain damn SELFISH kind to begin to care about us men and our well being as much as you insist that we men care about you! You feminoids have inflicted an awful lot of damage on an awful lot of men, without so much as a peep of concern or compassion, and without something in the way of concern from you on the impact of feminuttery on US, you grrrlz ain’t gettin’ nada! See what it feels like to go home with empty pockets–and guess who would deserve it?
So I made up a bureaucratic directive for illustrative purposes, and why should youall take it seriously. For the same reason that you expect us men to take your hypotheticals seriously even when, as is always the case. they are nothing but melarkey–lies, damned lies and statistics-concocted up by your activists just to elicit sympathy from renegade male housepets of yours like we see too many of even here on manboobz.com!
So basically, you don’t actually have nething you want us to do? Or change? And you have no idea what the solution to the problems is,or what you would like feminists to do about it. Right xD
(who is my kind btw? 😀 )
Ok, Deke… did I hurt your feelings?
If I did, you may be comforted to know that I am not your equal… I take no pleasure in it.
Mostly because I don’t care about you.
Hrmn… I realise my phrasing might be misunderstood. I mean that, unlike you, I take no pleasure in any hurt I may cause your feelings.
Because I don’t care about you. You are too minor a pest to take joy in hurting, like weevils in the flour, or a spider in the toolbox, to be killed, or removed; as needed, and then forgotten.
But like a bad penny, or a persistent politician, you keep coming back.
Oh, Mr. Toad is back! How is Toad Hall, Meller? And the weasels? All vanquished? Excellent!
How is that other men, even with all this evil feminism around, manage to find sweet, fluffy, uneducated women while you are reduced to posting screed after wretched screed on the internet? Where is your adorable, playful, semi-literate companion that would love nothing more than to dust the knick knacks in your parlor and play hostess (complete with bacon wrapped pineapple and jello-mold salad) at your tea parties where you sit and talk to your imaginary friends, while dreaming of a world with Stepford Robots?
There are plenty of women, even here in the U.S. who would like very much to have a “man as head of household” traditional marriage. In fact, there was one right here on the boards a couple of weeks ago. Interestingly enough, despite your insistence that feminism is preventing you from meeting such women, you didn’t even bother to ask our visitor where her congregation is located, if she had any single sisters, or if there was some sort of social networking outlet for like-minded individuals.
Lean in, Mr. Toad and I’ll whisper something to you: I don’t think you really want any woman, no matter how sweet and fluffy, and mindless she appeared to be. I think you’re all hot air and deferred dreams. And you can blame anyone you’d like for that. The rest of us are just going to continue living our lives while you choke on all that bile and regret.
Bedsores and Loneliness!!!!!
Nobinayamu
We do what has been done in all fifty states with domestic violence laws-the primary aggressor is the one who goes to jail. In this case, she would be off to the jail. Do not believe me? Here ya go, from two days ago. The unfortunate thing is I had to wade through half a dozen stories of men killing their female partners to get to this one of a woman who was arrested and taken to jail for committing domestic violence against a man.
The same thing we do now-prosecute the false accuser. Duh.
Who has what? Been attacked by a woman physically? Yes-that is why domestic violence laws are gender neutral.
Accused of rape? Name one person you know in your own personal life-I cannot and I doubt anyone on here can.
Men like you have been whining about how women are terrible since the dawn of civilization-since the first writings appeared over four thousand years ago. So to say now, merely 40 years after the first successful attempts to prevent men from being able to beat their wives, rape them with impunity, to treat women with the same level of respect that they expect from another man, that life is intolerable is to make the same illogical claims made in 300 BC or earlier.
This from someone who believes he is ENTITLED to a willing and compliant domestic slave whose only raison d’être is to serve and entertain him.
Pot meet kettle
@PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
“We do what has been done in all fifty states with domestic violence laws-the primary aggressor is the one who goes to jail.”
Giving a link to a one case where miraculously a woman was actually charged does indeed tell the tale when every credible emperical study shows women commit 1/2 of DV to say the least as well as 70% of non-recipricol DV.
Here’s the police training for identifying the “primanry aggressor.”
1)Who appears to be at most risk of possible victimization once you leave?
2)Who appears to pose the most danger once you leave?
3)Who is the most in danger of being injured?
4)Who appears most capable of inflicting harm once you leave?
5)Who appears capable of using the most violence?
Now although feminists use the interchangable, I can’t tell the difference man/women dynamic, they also wrote the above for identifying the DV primary aggressor. Suddenly in the world of feminism men are stronger and more likely to do harm. So when we answer 1 thru 5 it reads; woman, woman, woman, man, man. Guess whose spending the night in the Big House? Gotta keep the bad man/good woman stats up, aye ladies?
There’s also…”Each person’s fear of physical harm,” and other such nonsense. I wonder, in the world of equals, who can turn on the old waterworks on a whim? I can just picture a legion of Pecunium’s all dressed in blue consoling the sobbing woman. So let’s cut the crap shall we? They used to arrest both parties in DV cases and feminists didn’t like that shit. A woman arrested? Perish the thought. So they came up with this bogus primary aggressor crap. Equality only when it’s convenient, means women done been privileged by law.
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“Men like you have been whining about how women are terrible since the dawn of civilization-since the first writings appeared over four thousand years ago. So to say now, merely 40 years after the first successful attempts to prevent men from being able to beat their wives, rape them with impunity, to treat women with the same level of respect that they expect from another man, that life is intolerable is to make the same illogical claims made in 300 BC or earlier.”
Just more of your standard feminist hatred, because that’s all feminism ever was. Just listen to this vile hatred of men. You might not be a man but you’ve sure got stones posting this shit. So up until 40 years ago women were beaten and raped by their husbands with impunity. I’m guessing every household has letters from the days of old confirming this assertation.
Let me tell you something princess liesalot. Back in the old days everyone pretty much came from a large family, as oppossed to the abortion ridden society we live in today. Do you think for one minute a father is going to let some man rape his little girl? Or her brothers or uncles. Nuh uh princess. Ya see princess, for starters, in the patriachy of old, before women decided they wanted Big Daddy as their new and improved patriarchy, that shit didn’t fly. You can bet your pampered ass, back in the day, rape was as rare as a sixteen year old virgin is today.
Oh and if you’re thinking of falling back on the old, girls were promised in marriage. Well guess what? So were the fucking boys. So if women were oppressed because of this. What you’re telling me is, every woman is an angel and every man is a devil, because otherwise, how could they be oppressed? Grow up and leave your man hating ideology where it belongs. In the ash heap of failed social experiments.