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The recent ugliness on Reddit

From time to time, something will happen on the Internet or in real life that I know I should write about for Man Boobz, but it’s so infuriating or depressing that I can’t bring myself to write about it. The recent bullshit on Reddit involving a young woman whose story of a sexual assault was met with angry disbelief until she provided video proof that her injuries were real is a perfect case in point.

Briefly, what happened is this:

A young woman posted about a sexual assault she’d endured a day or so earlier – a man had tried to rape her, pushing her to the ground and scraping her face on the pavement. In a separate topic she posted a picture of her injuries, most notably a giant scrape on her cheek. You can see it at right; click on the picture to see it full size.

Then another Redditor noticed that some time back, the same woman had posted a picture of herself in zombie makeup. This, he said, made him skeptical that her injuries were real — it was probably just a good makeup job.

That was all it took to send Reddit into a full internet lynch mob frenzy: obviously this woman was a liar and an attention whore and, even worse, possibly a feminist anti-rape activist! Redditors suddenly became both medical and makeup experts, and declared that the giant scrape on her face was obviously phony. (Not to me; I tried arguing with several of them to no avail.) It got ugly, very ugly, very quickly.

The woman at the heart of the storm asked if she needed to post an actual video of her cleaning the wound on her face to show that it was real; a redditor demanded that she do just that.

So she did. (Here it is.) Long story short: the scrape is real. The woman also posted a picture of the business card given to her by the police detective she’s spoken to when reporting the incident. It’s now pretty clear that there is no reason to doubt that her story is true. Even the Redditor who originally challenged her story realized that she was almost certainly telling the truth.

Here’s her post offering proof to back up her story.

At this point the lynch mob lost its steam; some people even apologized to her.

But the evidence of the ugliness remains in a host of different threads and different subforums on Reddit. I honestly don’t have the energy or the  patience to sift through all of the ugliness; luckily, Jezebel has given a decent account of the whole spectacle; you can go there to get some more of the details.

You might also want to look in to the main thread where most of the ugliness occurred — though at this point many of the vile accusatory comments that got upvoted when everyone seemed to assume she was lying have been retroactively voted down. (The screenshot I posted above gives a better idea of what it looked like at the time; here’s another screenshot with some of the choicer comments.)

Naturally, Men’s Rightsers contributed to the ugliness – though most of the worst comments appeared outside of the Men’s Rights subreddit, and a surprising number of r/mr regulars refused to jump on the original “she’s a liar” bandwagon.

While many Men’s Rightsters are now apologetic, others still think she may be lying.

Here’s a good discussion of the whole thing in ShitRedditSays, and a followup.

 

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Sharculese
13 years ago

i just…

why do these people exist…

Tabby Lavalamp
Tabby Lavalamp
13 years ago

Fuck.

hellkell
hellkell
13 years ago

That is so shitty I don’t even… I’m gonna go snuggle the cats and husband.

David K. Meller
David K. Meller
13 years ago

If you lie, people won’t believe you even when you speak the truth. This commonplace bit of wisdom ought to be second nature to women who are concerned about, and perhaps even victimized by rape.

Someone who does this, and who fooled people once before with makeup tricks, even in an entirely unrelated incident, certainly can’t be surprised if viewers look at her with some skepticism, given the hugh, and growing number of totally phony rape accusation floating around.

“Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on ME”

Besides, it is past time for everyone, even anti-rape activists, to understand that false accusations distract real law enforcement and court resources away from actual victims, and toward those women with an axe to grind and who abuse the rape (or sex-harassment) laws to cry “april fool!” at the first opportunity.

Given the realities of the world we live in, the Reddit people seem to have acted responsibly, however distressing the picture of the recently attacked woman is.

PEACE AND FREEDOM!!
David K. Meller

Sharculese
13 years ago

dkm are you actually dumb enough to believe ‘wearing a costume once’ translates to ‘lying about rape’ or are you just desperate for an excuse?

hellkell
hellkell
13 years ago

Meller, you are a piece of shit.

zombie rotten mcdonald
13 years ago

the second thing, sharculese.

It’s quite a wonderful acrobatic feat to make the howling mob into ‘acting responsibly’.

I am just surprised he didn’t claim she was asking for it by posting on the forum.

zombie rotten mcdonald
13 years ago

Someone who does this, and who fooled people once before with makeup tricks

yeah, I am SURE her makeup fooled EVERYONE into thinking she was actually a zombie.

SURE. (dammit, I need a sarcasm smiley)

And I say that as someone with experience in the field.

Meller is quite a cobag, isn’t he?

Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
13 years ago

dkm are you actually dumb enough to believe ‘wearing a costume once’ translates to ‘lying about rape’ or are you just desperate for an excuse?

This isn’t an either or proposition, Sharculese. He’s both.

Warty and slimy, and a rancid shade of green.

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
13 years ago

I call for DKM to be banned. He just lost what little amusement he provided.

cynickal
cynickal
13 years ago

Not surprising considering that, in spite of the actual evidence against DSK, the MRM has been crowing about how his accuser totally made it all up.

KathleenB
KathleenB
13 years ago

DKM: You are cordially invited to fuck yourself and the horse you rode in on. And then go your own fucking way.

Holly Pervocracy
13 years ago

There seems to be no way–maybe literally no way, like not if it was on video and the attacker confessed and there are twenty-three nuns and priests as witnesses–to convince MRAs something isn’t a ZOMG FALSE RAPE ACCUSATION if they make up their mind to see it that way.

This woman is brave as hell and I hope that in the mess at least a few people learned to question their tendency to make nasty assumptions.

cynickal
cynickal
13 years ago

Besides, it is past time for everyone, even anti-rape activists, to understand that false accusations distract real law enforcement and court resources away from actual victims

Don’t you have a cross to go burn?

Holly Pervocracy
13 years ago

I think that on some level, the “she still must be lying” people aren’t as bad (although they’re disgusting) as the people who admit she’s telling the truth but then jump into “skepticism is good, I regret nothing” or “but there are a lot of false accusations, let’s talk about false accusations now” or “well, how dare she talk about it, and in public, what’s more!”

If someone is completely resistant to evidence, well, they’re just stupid; but if someone understands when they’re wrong about facts but not when they’re wrong about how you fucking treat human beings, that’s a very different and much scarier level of horrible.

BlackBloc
BlackBloc
13 years ago

DKM crossed the line, went back, took a dump on it, then ran away for miles over on the other side of the line.

Calling for ban.

Holly Pervocracy
13 years ago

Also, DKM, look in a fucking mirror and think about what’s happened to your fucking life.

ozymandias42
13 years ago

DKM, I’d send you to Being a Decent Human Being 101, but I think that’s too advanced for you. Remedial Humanity, maybe? Or will we have to set up a basic tutorial?

Societal Contract
Societal Contract
13 years ago

How soon can we implemented the 2 sides of the Mississippi River program?

We’ll keep a few honorable men, like Mr. Futrelle, on our side, otherwise I see no reason that women should have to share space with monsters.

As Lady Raine (Wendy Shwartz) pointed out already, women NEVER needed men until we were FORCED to pretend that we did through the farce invention of a horrible thing called “the marriage INSTITUTION”…. yep, coz you gotta be crazy to fall for that.

I’m done with being institutionalized.

Karma will bite these mofos in the ass and they’ll get their due.

Holly Pervocracy
13 years ago

SC, please let’s not forget that men who act like normal human beings make up the vast majority in the real world.

I don’t NEED men–but I like some of them just fine.

Sharculese
13 years ago

@david,

could i interest you in maybe also deleting that… thing he left behind. i dont like knowing it exists.

cynickal
cynickal
13 years ago

How soon can we implemented the 2 sides of the Mississippi River program?

We’ll keep a few honorable men, like Mr. Futrelle, on our side, otherwise I see no reason that women should have to share space with monsters.

I’d like to point out the New Orleans is technically on the east side of the river. I’ll miss Seattle, but I’ll live with the consolation prize.

Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
13 years ago

How soon can we implemented the 2 sides of the Mississippi River program?

Still not interested. Even if it means sharing space with a toad like Meller.

Societal Contract
Societal Contract
13 years ago

“Still not interested. Even if it means sharing space with a toad like Meller”

I said our side will keep honorable men like David Futrelle and this hunk;

Shit! I might have to rethink my BJ position.

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