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Will the coming apocalypse put bitchy ladies in their place?

Men: We all know how to wrestle bears.

Angry manosphere dudes sure do love them some apocalyptic fantasies! Which totally makes sense, since they all seem to imagine the apocalypse as little more than an opportunity to deliver a big “told you so!” to women and “manginas” and probably their pet goldfish.

Over on MGTOWforums.com, our robogirl-obsessed friend avoidwomen has been reposting assorted comments he’s apparently found on The Spearhead, and which he just loves, loves, loves! Unfortunately, he hasn’t provided links or any other information about them, and Google didn’t much help, so I don’t know who exactly should get the credit for the following bit of postapocalyptic fiction.

It’s sort of long, but I think you’ll pick up the gist of it right away. (It also sounds really, really familiar – have I written about it before, or is it just that MRAs and MGTOWers are so predictably unoriginal?) Are you sitting comfortably? Good. Let’s begin:

An economic collapse will put women in their place. Virtually no women have the skills necessary to survive in the real world. They can survive in this artificial politically correct, multi-cultural, anything goes, “death to the West, death to the white male patriarch” system that we are presently in….

As the economy declines even further the government will be forced to make massive cuts. … The first things on the chopping block will be entitlements, the sort of entitlements that have enabled women to use big government as a substitution for a stable nuclear family, a family they would only be able to have by behaving themselves and conforming to acceptable standards of behavior as determined by their fathers and later their husbands.

And now we come to the payoff:

 In the near future women will be given the choice of starving in the street, finding some way to hunt/fish/garden on their own, or conforming to the standards men set for them and being kept alive by men who actually place value upon their continued existence.

Let’s throw some Ayn Rand into the mix:

This dysgenic society favors the weak and indeed it subsidizes the weak at the expense of the strong and the fit. … We are ruled by thieves who steal from the productive and give to the idiotic masses to keep themselves in office at the expense of the intelligent, the creative, the productive, the true movers and shakers of society.

Can I have some “we hunted the mammoth” to go with that “Atlas Shrugged?”

We build civilizations yet we are penalized at every step of the way in every aspect of our lives. Instead of being allowed to innovate, invent, and create, we are made to subsidize the recklessness of unworthy women, tens of millions of illegal aliens, and any other group that some clique of weak and effeminate politicians decides to cave to.

Hmm. That’s pretty good. But still not quite melodramatic enough. Can we add some big blustery clichés to the mix? Some “we stand on the edge of a precipice” sort of shit?

We stand on the cusp of the precipice, gazing down into the abyss.

Oh, ok. I didn’t expect you to take me quite so literally. But never mind:

After our civilization is pushed over the edge a new one will emerge from the void left by the collapse of the old one. All we have to do is make sure it is to our benefit rather than to our detriment.

And now, back to all those mean bitches who were so mean to us:

 The prospect of starvation, death by exposure to the elements, or being turned into a prostitute by a street gang that openly dominates some X number of city blocks in the absence of big government police, should be amply adequate to put most women in their place.

You can almost hear the writer jazzing in his pants as he writes this.

The question is not one of “will they come crawling back to us” but rather, “how do we respond when they do finally come crawling back.”

Yeah, ladies, maybe we don’t want you after all!

Most of them are bitter, selfish, self-absorbed, idiotic, brain-dead, used up whores, and I have no need for such creatures in my life. They don’t know how to cook, how to clean, how to butcher livestock, how to till a field, how to cultivate crops, how to hunt game, how to fish, how to defend themselves in hand-to-hand combat, how to zero a rifle, in short they have no practical useful skills for existence outside of an artificial globalist “post industrial” financial/retail services economic structure.

Ooh! In your face, ladies who can’t cultivate crops and take down bears in hand-to-hand combat!

Did your feminism prepare you for BEARS? I think not!

In addition they don’t even know how to treat people, especially men, in a right and proper fashion.

Um. What happened to hand-to-hand-combat and all that survival-of-the-fittest stuff? This seems a tad, er, petulant.

I personally have no use for a bunch of used up whores who “had their fun” and now expect men who know what is what and have their act together, to put their lives on the line to keep them safe.

Ah, now we’re rolling again.

Screw you, whores! It’s all fun and games until the economy collapses and the BEARS show up!

Hopefully in the new society, the one on the way, women will be treated as perpetual minors with no contractual capacity and no right to ownership of property. … what we cannot achieve politically will be achieved socially and physically by the nature of the coming collapse/implosion.

Yep, ladies. It’s our way … or the BEARway! (By which I mean, “the highway, except that the highway is covered with BEARS!”)

Never forget, that at some point back in time, EVERYTHING women have they obtained from MEN, either via big government initiated wealth/resource transfers, or because men were foolish enough to dote on them in some hope of obtaining sex/sexual access (or even just the affections/approval) from some creature that was doubtlessly a used up whore.

So there you have it. Our glorious future!

I’m not sure how the robogirls fit in all this exactly. If the economy collapses and we’re fighting the BEARS in the streets, won’t that put a little dent in production of robogirls?

Never mind. That’s a mere detail. The important things to remember are:  Apocalypse soon, women screwed, men happy, BEARS.

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Joanna
9 years ago

So just what kind of apocalypse are we talking here? Are there zombies involved? Cos that changes everything.

thebionicmommy
thebionicmommy
9 years ago

Joanna, of course there are zombies. They will be radioactive zombie bears.

Magpie
9 years ago

More of a robot apocalypse, when the robogirls decide to spit on the betas. 🙂

Magpie
9 years ago

thebionicmommy, you survived a mini-apocalypse in Joplin, but at least there weren’t radioactive zombie bears (I assume).

Joanna
9 years ago

You mean zombears????

Magpie
9 years ago

zomgbears

chocomintlipwax
9 years ago

I want to know why, after society collapses, we still need to know how to clean. Cleaning is one of those “society” sorts of things, isn’t it? When we’re fighting to find clean water and food and keep the bears away, the last thing that’s going to really matter is how dusty your coffee table is … right? Or are we, as women, expected to maintain a neat and orderly post-apocalyptic future?

Rutee Katreya
9 years ago

Lol. In the event of the apocalypse, you d00ds do realize that “survival skills” don’t mean squat, korrect? The shell of civilization will remain, but social mores and government- the wymyn’s teat- will have collapsed. There will be ample food, ample drink, all for the looting. Those that can get it- which will invariably be MEN, the stronger, tougher, and more intelligent gender- will come out ahead.

How stupid are you? Let’s assume most people die in the apocalypse; that seems a fair assumption, it’s an apocalyptic event. Let’s take Pecunium’s assertion that most cities only have about 3 days worth of food in them at a given time. Apocalypse happens, now there’s let’s say 10% of the population. 30 days, right? Wrong. Most of that shit’s going to go bad unless power is kept automagically in place (how did 90% die without damage to the infrastructure?) Hell even with power most of it will go bad in reasonably short order, and only the grains will make it for terribly long.

Your strategy of looting lasts you a month, assuming 90% of the people die, you don’t get shot (What the fuck kind of moron thinks being tougher is going to matter if he thinks there’s shit to loot? If you think there’s food, you think there’s guns and ammunition), and assuming you loot well. Tops. People who know how to actually make food will last longer; the bit about leaching and topsoil damage is another good one I forgot.

You are human. You are ultimately bound by the same rules the rest of us are, and one of those rules is ultimately that you need society, especially if you want to live in the comfort you know now, where we have central AC, medicine, television, and the internet. You will not get those things alone. You need people. That means society… and that means social mores, even if your stupid point about social mores and the government (Which again, you need to replicate this level of comfort) were true.

Frankly, MRAL, your ignorance never ceases to amaze me. Unlike owlslave, you clearly possess the ability to learn, but you choose to not exercise it. Are you happy alone, bundled up with nothing but your hate to sustain you? Do you hate your mother as much as you hate every other woman, given that she seems to help you in difficult times? You don’t even care about your cause, given the wicked glee with which you would rather discuss the extermination or enslavement of women in a devastated hellhole than a world wherein men are ‘uplifted from feminist oppression’ or whatever nonsense you pretend to believe in. How sad you are. If you did not fill me with revulsion I would pity you.

Rutee Katreya
9 years ago

I want to know why, after society collapses, we still need to know how to clean. Cleaning is one of those “society” sorts of things, isn’t it? When we’re fighting to find clean water and food and keep the bears away, the last thing that’s going to really matter is how dusty your coffee table is … right? Or are we, as women, expected to maintain a neat and orderly post-apocalyptic future?

I don’t know about neat and orderly but you gotta keep a non-trivial amount of the place clean if you want to minimize the impact of rats and other vermin. And the kitchen actually really does need to be as neat as is humanly possible, or at least everywhere food is. Supposedly Jewish emphasis on cleanliness, originating from the ritual that gave rise to spring cleaning who’s name escapes me, helped avert the worst of the Black Plague.

nedbeaumontjr
9 years ago

I, for one, welcome our new bear overlords.

I believe I speak for all polar bears when I say that we have no desire to be your overlords. Just let us eat the MRAs in peace, and you can scratch us behind the ears.

Don’t trust the grizzlies, though.

Wendy Schwartz
9 years ago

Most of them are bitter, selfish, self-absorbed, idiotic, brain-dead, used up whores, and I have no need for such creatures in my life. They don’t know how to cook, how to clean, how to butcher livestock, how to till a field, how to cultivate crops, how to hunt game, how to fish, how to defend themselves in hand-to-hand combat, how to zero a rifle, in short they have no practical useful skills for existence outside of an artificial globalist “post industrial” financial/retail services economic structure.

Bwaaaahhhh hahahah this dissolved me into laughter!! Uh, hello gentlemen? *Imagines your average cubicle-jockey guy or Jersey Shore type metro-guy doing these things*

Most men don’t know how to do these things, either. Unless you count things such as “sport” fishing and hunting (which women also do) and also doesn’t really count as survival skills when you’re doing them in a safe and controlled environment….for fun.

I know men who can’t change a tire, can’t operate a washing machine, only know how to microwave frozen foods, and can only win a fist-fight (ahem, sorry “hand to hand combat”) when drunk and fighting someone equally drunk.

I hate to break it to these guys, but a majority of males and females would be equally useless in a sudden apocalypse-type scenario. After which humans would slowly adapt and learn the skills needed to survive in a new environment…..and that would also apply to both genders.

I don’t think they seem to internalized the fact that the ONLY time when women “desperately needed” men was when men/society FORCED them through laws, violence, social/familial rules, etc to “need” them. And women simply wouldn’t accept those terms anymore. There is no such “natural” state of women needing men or the reverse (at least not in the way these guys keep desperately hoping for).

Pecunium
9 years ago

Given the poor state of dental hygiene at the time, and the non-state of medicine, of course Sigurd’s wound became infected, and he died of septicemia

Actually, it’s not the state of dental hygiene at the time. Mouths are septic swamps. One of the ways people get caught for assault and battery is the very specific infections which come from cuts caused by teeth, so when they punch someone in the face, they show up a few days later in the ER with the same sort of septicemia.

Pecunium
9 years ago

Rutee: Perishables in situ make up about 10 percent of the available food in a supermarket. Cans and packaged foods make up the majority. Meat and vegetables are the bulk of perishables (eggs will last for a month, or so, at room temperature; milk is convertable to cheese/yogurt, for those with knowledge and means, but essenitally is doomed. Some people might have the wit to make cream into butter, which will keep; if they can culture it, it will keep much longer; though it gets cheesy).

Frankly, MRAL, your ignorance never ceases to amaze me. Unlike owlslave, you clearly possess the ability to learn, but you choose to not exercise it

I am going to be charitable, and say he’s young, and still ignorant. I hope he will be able to get past that.

Supposedly Jewish emphasis on cleanliness, originating from the ritual that gave rise to spring cleaning who’s name escapes me…

Bidikat chametz, “the search for Leaven

I doubt, very much, given the ways in which that plague spreads, that it had much preventative impact.

Plague has three forms, one which some aspects of being urban might make less bad (Bubonic, spread by fleas; from rats, Pneumonic, spread by breathing/coughing, and Septicemic, which is the ill-fortune of having a flea manage to infect you in a vein, which has an almost 100 percent lethality, and is fatal so quickly as to have a minimal period of pneumonically contagious presentation).

Pecunium
9 years ago

By which I mean the Jewish standards of cleanliness, not the specific ritual.

Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
9 years ago

I’m not the Five-Star General, guys.

Pecunium
9 years ago

MRAL: Then accept my apologies for thinking s/he was you.

hellkell
hellkell
9 years ago

It sounded like one of your socks. Apologies if it really wasn’t you.

Moewicus
Moewicus
9 years ago

Oh great, MRAL, MRAFSG, what’s next? MRAJOTSCOTUS, MRAPOTUS, MRAP (pontiff)?

On the other hand…can I be Men’s Rights Activist Space Pope?

Pecunium
9 years ago

hellkell: looking at it again… it’s only real similarity is the name. The tone, tenor, spelling and slag are different. If it was a sock, it was much better done than most.

And when MRAL changed handles, he’s been upfront about it.

Rutee Katreya
9 years ago

Fair enough, my bad.

Brett K
9 years ago

I had a bit of a survivalist streak growing up (which is bizarre, since I’m a lifelong urban dweller) and while there’s a pretty good chance I’d be totally fucked in an apocalyptic scenario, I have a few skills that make me about a thousand times more likely to survive than these idiots. I can spin, knit, sew, cook, and chop wood, and thanks to a zombie apocalypse phase I went through recently, I’ve prepared a bag of supplies (water purification tablets, freeze-dried food, etc.) that should keep me going for a while in an emergency. Not necessarily a zombie emergency, though you never know.

Manboobz City will need someone who’s good with textiles, right? I mean, if we’re going to rebuild civilization at all.

Hershele Ostropoler
9 years ago

Ozy:

I have no useful apocalypse-surviving skills except the half-remembered Girl Scouts information on how to build a fire.

You’re ahead of me, I’ve never been half a Girl Scout.

I don’t even think I have skills I can leverage to convince other people it’s worth it to feed me.

Pyena:

While it’s true that a lot of people would be screwed over in a situation like that, men and women alike, isn’t the knowledge of how to do a lot of that stuff recorded in books?

That is, even if somebody didn’t know how to butcher, couldn’t they read about it and learn?

I wouldn’t know the first place to find such books. Though I do know how to walk to a couple of libraries, assuming the streets, or at least the outlines of the streets, are still detectable.

karak:

how to defend themselves in hand-to-hand combat (they’re called testicles and they are weak)

And they are not found on approximately half the people you will encounter.

cynickal
cynickal
9 years ago

I wouldn’t know the first place to find such books.

My father swore by the Foxfire series

Pecunium
9 years ago

I missed this before: how to defend themselves in hand-to-hand combat (they’re called testicles and they are weak)

The effect of a shot to the nuts is variable. If one is adrenal, they can be hit really hard and the reaction is delayed.

True story. I was “cornered” but three kids who wanted a fight (and had been trying for months to get it). While I was paying attention to the one who was the most serious in trying to pick it one of his sidekicks kicked me in the groin.

It was hard enough to pick my heels up off the ground. I looked down, and he was trying to do it again. So I grabbed his foot and picked it straight up. I am pretty sure he had a concussion from his head bouncing off the sidewalk. He may even have gotten a fractured skull.

It was about 30 seconds before the pain hit, by that point the other two had dragged him out of sight, and my companion and I were about a block away, and I started to kiss my knees.

A shot to the testicles is a gambit. As with any gambit, if it works, you are golden, if it fails you’d better have a back-up plan, and be practiced at implementing it.

Molly Ren
9 years ago

“I don’t even think I have skills I can leverage to convince other people it’s worth it to feed me.”

Me neither. My entire apocalypse plan is to write Pecunium an epic poem in return for a guinea pig. 😛

ozymandias42
9 years ago

I love the Foxfire series! Although they are of limited usefulness in Fort Lauderdale, where I live.

I should buy a set in case of zombie apocalypse…

LabRat
9 years ago

There’s also the small matter that you need to be living in a really small, hateful little bubble to imagine “sides” in a post-apocalyptic survival scenario breaking down along gender lines.

Outside that bubble, most people’s top concern, and loyalty, is their families, friends, and community. I know these dudes cherish the idea that all relationships are bubbling cauldrons of misery and hatred, but most people actually like their families and would vastly prefer to work with and defend them over forming into single-sex groups to throw down with the other.

I’m also with Pecunium- if the zomgocalypse were to happen right now, I’d have an effective lifetime supply of ammunition. Most shooters who don’t just buy a gun and throw it in a nightstand forever do; ammo is variable enough in price, and enough gets burned on range trips, that it makes sense to stock up hundreds of rounds at a time when you go shopping and especially if you find a good deal. And while I’m only a fair-to-middling rifle shot, even Usain Bolt couldn’t close in the time it would take me to shoulder a rifle and acquire a good sight picture, even on a moving target. I’m waaaaaaay far away from unique among women in this respect.

For the most part, the dudes like the original poster and Mr. 5-star aren’t going to have time to be eaten by bears, they’ll be shot for stealing/general antisociality first.

Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
9 years ago

So I was just listening to Idioteque, do you think Trogdor and avoidwomen would call Thom Yorke a mangina?

Things Are Bad
9 years ago

Actually, the collapse or near-collapse will be hard for men as well. It’s women who will have the real wake-up call, however.

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
9 years ago

I do not know if I would be much use as I am pretty lazy. I can learn fast and I have a good memory however so fairly sure I could help out with the Manboobz community.

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
9 years ago

How so TAB? Because of what? Details please.

Societal Contract
Societal Contract
9 years ago

Hello Lady Raine!

Pizza? Pfft! As long as I don’t have to give blow jobs, I’ll do just fine in the apocolypse 😉

evilwhitemalempire
evilwhitemalempire
9 years ago

“This dysgenic society favors the weak and indeed it subsidizes the weak at the expense of the strong and the fit.”

Very true. Technology keeps alive too many runt males. Eventually they outnumber the normal healthy males and take over. A society run by wimps soon becomes one run by women. When this happens the females raise the price of their loyalty, fidelity, and respect. When that happens working no longer wins men females. So the men stop working and the society collapses. It’s happened before and will happen again.

Societal Contract
Societal Contract
9 years ago

“This dysgenic society favors the weak and indeed it subsidizes the weak at the expense of the strong and the fit.”

Is that from Ayn Rand? The woman who went on Phil Donahue to supplicate Americans to collectively support the collectivist state of Zionist Israel?

Quite a rugged individualist, eh?

Objectivism, my ass.

evilwhitemalempire
evilwhitemalempire
9 years ago

“but most people actually like their families and would vastly prefer to work with and defend them over forming into single-sex groups to throw down with the other.”

Doesn’t quite work that way. Gangs (feudal lords, warlords, etc.) of armed men aren’t ‘anti-female’ per se. They just see females as property to fight over.

Rutee Katreya
9 years ago

They can only do it because they’re supported by outside food sources. If you actually look at history, when the chips are down you pretty much can’t have 50% of the populace not working. It’s never happened, not even in Leave it to Beaver USA.

Rutee Katreya
9 years ago

Oh, it’s EWME. Carry on with your wrong, little fool.

Pam
Pam
9 years ago

Pam: Sad but true. I really do not get this attitude that some guys have, that the sun rises and sets in their pants, and that mere possession of a penis somehow makes them awesome and that women should worship it, and by extension, them. Sigh.

I don’t think that I could phrase it any better than did Gerda Lerner during an interview about her works:

“When I started working on women’s history about thirty years ago, the field did not exist. It was not recognized; people didn’t think that women had a history worth knowing. The professors that taught me thought that it was an exotic specialty and I was wasting my talents pursuing it. And for women, looking back to the past has usually been painful, because what we would learn would be an absence. We would learn that women had not done this, and they had not done that, and that essentially, according to the traditional view, women had contributed very little to the making of human society, and even less to the making of the intellectual product of Western civilization.
[…] The effect on men has been very bad too, of the omission of women’s history, because men have been given the impression that they’re much more important in the world than they actually are, and that’s not a good way to become a human being. It has fostered illusions of grandeur in every man that are unwarranted. If you can think, as a man, that everything great in the world and in civilization was created by men, then naturally you have to look down on women…”

Valerie
Valerie
9 years ago

What these internet warriors are forgetting is that women will not longer be their problem. Other dudes will be their problem. Sure, they could probably beat me into submission since I only weight 120 lbs, but try doing that with a group of Navy Seal types. They think life is hard now, they have no idea what they are wishing for.
Your average Jarhead is going to be a lot more kinder to any woman because unlike these internet dudes, they don’t have anything to prove.

Karalora
9 years ago

I’m a little gobsmacked by the moral bankruptcy of these people who think a radical restructuring of society such that half of humanity had no choice but to be submissive servants to the other half in order to survive, would be preferable to what we have now in which most people are relatively free to live as they like.

Amnesia
Amnesia
9 years ago

Sorry, dudes. Your mad Halo skills won’t cut it in an apocalyptic future.

thebionicmommy
thebionicmommy
9 years ago

Amnesia, their Halo skills would be helpful if alien invaders challenged them to a video game tournament. What if the Internet tough guys have all the best weapons unlocked and cheat codes activated, and the aliens were total noobs? Then we would all have to rely on them for their survival, at least until the zombears attack.

Holly Pervocracy
9 years ago

Funny thing is, there are plenty of subsistence-farming areas of the world right now, and while they aren’t bastions of feminism, they’re not entirely composed of Mad Max gangs keeping pet women either. We don’t have to argue about whether women “would” learn to survive a hand-to-mouth existence when millions of women already do.

cynickal
cynickal
9 years ago

Doesn’t quite work that way. Gangs (feudal lords, warlords, etc.) of armed men aren’t ‘anti-female’ per se. They just see females as property to fight over.

Projection, not just for movie theaters anymore.

Bee
Bee
9 years ago

Technology keeps alive too many runt males.

And Ewme smacks down Mr. Al! It’s an MRM cage match!

Bee
Bee
9 years ago

Crap. Blockquotes — where did I put you?

That should be —

Technology keeps alive too many runt males.

And Ewme smacks down Mr. Al! It’s an MRM cage match!

Hershele Ostropoler
9 years ago

PFKAelizabeth:

How so TAB? Because of what? Details please.

Oh, well, you’ve seen that picture of David.

Pecunium
9 years ago

It will be a while before there are, “feudal warlords”, because that requires surplus, and a sense of landed ownership/clients. Western Rome became Europe, it didn’t “Fall into savagery, which the people of Europe clawed out of”.

So, marauding savages, sure. But the “barbarians” of Rome weren’t small groups of raiders, they were entire ethnic groupings, with culture, norms, laws, attitudes, and religions. That was all added onto Rome. Those groups adopted (as best they could, and as best they saw fit) the tools and trappings of Rome.

From the lack of an ability to collect taxes and redistribute wealth they became a land-based system of militarised gentry (which hadn’t been the case in Rome) and from that came feudalism.

What might happen after an apocalyptic event we can’t say, because the skeleton on which it would be built we can’t see (for all that we are still wrapped around the bones of Rome; as are a number of cultures we don’t think of being so wrapped around those same bones are as well, the end results of succeeded cultures are not automatic; the Caliphate was built on different aspects of the Roman Legacy, but it was still based on the carcass of the Roman Empire).

So EWME is, as usual, taking the piss.

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
9 years ago

Oh, well, you’ve seen that picture of David.

I have. He needs a shave.

cynickal
cynickal
9 years ago

Not to mention that most of the whole “Apocalypse” scenarios are firstworldproblems.com