Comment of the day, from an angry antifeminist in ShitRedditSays who seems a bit obsessed with, if confused by, the sex lives of animals. Well, two comments, actually. The first:
It’s hilarious how reliably the feminist creature will resort to insulting a male’s sexuality. When cornered, it is like a vicious weasel, scratching at the only vulnerability it knows, in desperation of its wretched circumstance.
What’s even more hilarious is how likely it is that you all have the sex lives of a fucking snail.
And a followup:
I am no more concerned with a rancid female supremacist’s opinion on my sanity than I would be of a goldfish’s perspective on the world outside its bowl. You live a twisted, fucked up existence, devoid of reason and love. Your whole world is consumed by hatred of men and society, justifying your dementia by paddling about with other complete mental cases in this joke subreddit, all of you thoroughly skull fucked by evil rabid animals that pollute our universities under the guise of “professors” of various social “science” gibberish.
Um, why exactly would an evil rabid animal (even a vicious weasel) want to skull-fuck a rancid goldfish, even assuming it could? Wouldn’t it just go around biting everyone? I would, and I’m not even rabid.
A little after the wedding of Prince William and Kate Middleton, I got off the boat and went to one of the links (can’t remember which website). The commenters there were having a discussion of the alpha- or beta-ness of Prince William. Now, I would assume a man who is young, healthy, educated and a competent pilot, very famous and rich, and probably going to be a king would automatically be an alpha. But no, many of the comments were that he’s a beta, partly because of the role he was born into, partly because of his own choices of marrying a woman his own age and not being a player. The comments concerning Kate were about what you’d expect. I guess a quarter of the comments which mentioned her approved of her good looks, slim figure, and education. But three quarters of them ridiculed her for her age (too old for William at 29, and five months older than he is!), not being pretty enough, small breasts, and way past her prime.
If Prince William isn’t an alpha, what man could be?
But no, many of the comments were that he’s a beta
Strange. I would have thought it was an example of the ‘hypergamy’ thing: A woman wanting to marry someone of higher status than herself.
@Societal: Aw…good ole’ Roissy. Mostly, I find him amusing. Some of his stuff is funny and other posts are down right disgusting. I tend to treat him as if he was an off-color comedian.
The whole PUA scene just seems like a marketing campaign to me. It just takes “be confident, don’t be clingy and lose the fear of talking to women” and just repackages it and creates a bunch of jargon around it…like “kino”. It’s touching…not kino.
Also, I do wonder why women and feminists are talking about this more and more. They say that the methods used by PUA’s don’t work. Well if they don’t work, then men will stop using those methods over time. If I kept on using the same stupid “pick up lines” over and over and over without getting any results (i.e continuing a conversation, making a date, etc…) then why would I continue to use it?
So if the PUA’s are wrong…then the scene will just die out because their methods don’t work.
I always wondered why lots of women are always bringing up commitment. Why should I commit to someone I am sleeping with? Why can’t both parties just enjoy the sex without trying to wrap it all up in a relationship? Why is commitment so important to women?
Also, I didn’t really care if the women I was sleeping with were sleeping with other people. I just enjoyed the time spent with her and tried to stay in the moment as opposed to making “future plans”. I like to keep things light and easy.
Brandon, why is commitment so important to men? I mean, you don’t have to travel far in the MRA/PUA/MGTOW manosphere to find a lot of anxiety about women a cheating. A lot. And when fidelity, and our perceived lack thereof, is not being directly referenced many of these men are expressing a great deal of anxiety about the notion of women having a sex life prior to being with them. On these threads we’ve seen self-identified MRAs maintain that a woman with prior romantic/sexual relationships has proven herself incapable of loyalty.
So, again, why is commitment so important to men? Why should a woman commit to someone with whom she’s sleeping?
“Therefore, the only thing for a man to do is go around screwing the youngest girls allowable and dumping them before they get the chance to wise up or develop an adult body shape.”
What the….?!?!?!?!?!?
Woman ask for ‘commitment’ because that is what the romantic love myth tells them is what they are expected to do. They think that if they would just say ‘I’m horny, let’s fuck’, people would condemn them for being sluts.
The whole PUA scene just seems like a marketing campaign to me.
It is.
Now where would women get an idea like that? :p
Luke123, people do condemn women for being sluts when we have sex outside of committed relationships. This happens, literally, every day. A few days back NWO had an absolute nuclear meltdown and called a regular poster a “fuckhole with a pulse” because she blogs about kinky, enthusiastic sex.
But thanks for presenting your thoughts (such as they are) on why women want commitment.
Why do men want commitment?
I don’t even know what “looking for commitment” means. If I find someone I want to have a relationship with, I’ll have a relationship with them. If I find someone I want to have casual sex with, I’ll have casual sex with them. I don’t want a relationship, any more than I want a friendship; I want to be in a relationship WITH someone I love.
Brandon, commitment is important to those who are looking for it from specific people. YOU ARE NOT NECCESSARILY THE ONE.
Why do these men have a fear of telling a woman they are attracted to, “look, I like you. We vibe well together and I’d like to see you more but I’m not looking for exclusivity so if you’re into us having an open relationship…. lets rock forward!”
But these guys don’t do that.
Women respect honesty FROM THE START. Not when you’re halfway into it.
Just assume that many people – male and female – might possibly want a commitement from someone, not neccessarily YOU. So if you’re dating people, make it clear that you are not one of those into commitment and see where things go.
What’s wrong with that?
“Why do men want commitment?”
Same reason. It’s the same romantic love myth. The princess is supposed to make the prince go through a whole lot of ordeals or she is not worth having somehow.
Ozy, I’ve never sought out a committed relationship, either. I remember that “Why You Don’t Have a Boyfriend” list the “super honest” guy version written by that Frost idiot on Walsh’s blog and the way he opened with something like: “If you want any shot at having a guy be semi-serious about you…”
Who runs around thinking about relationships that way? I mean, I know there are people who do and it’s hardly gender specific. But I’ve never approached it that way. It’s very “cart before the horse” you know?
So men, want commitment because they’re worried that people will call them “slutty” if they have sex outside of a committed relationship? Because, you know, that would be the “same reason” as why you assert women want commitment.
And the second part of your statement has nothing to do with men or commitment at all.
‘So men, want commitment because they’re worried that people will call them “slutty” if they have sex outside of a committed relationship? Because, you know, that would be the “same reason” as why you assert women want commitment.
And the second part of your statement has nothing to do with men or commitment at all.’
Personally, I never asked wanted ‘commitment’ nor asked that. I can’t speak for those who want that. The only thing I can come up with is ‘social conformity’.
@Societal: I never said I was “the one”.
Why do you put the responsibility on the man to tell you? Isn’t it YOUR responsibility to evaluate the relationship and see if it is the direction you want it to go in? If he is acting all easy-going and carefree and you want something serious…doesn’t that behavior tell you that he might not be “the one”? Try being proactive instead of reactive.
You are also making the assumption that men should think women want a commitment “by default”. And you want men to tell you as soon as possible so you don’t waste time on him. You basically want men to screen themselves out of your “potential sex partner” box.
While I might not use those exact words, I do inform the women I am with that I am in it “to have fun and not looking for anything serious”
Also, I think it is a little disingenuous to say that men are flat out lying (or dishonest) because we don’t just “mind dump” everything about us to you in the first week of knowing you. Trust has to be established first before I even open up to a woman. And there are a few things that I will never tell a woman (or anyone else for that matter).
“Man, those bitches will insult your sex life at the drop of a hat because it’s the only argument they have.
“I will now proceed to insult their sex lives.”
What’s that delicious buttery smell? Is that… irony?
If you think people seek commitment because of “social conformity” why were you referencing a fear of slut-shaming and “princesses” making men “jump through hoops?
Brandon, one question:
Brandon | September 11, 2011 at 2:14 pm
Brandon | September 11, 2011 at 1:29 pm
Do you have whiplash?
Why do men want commitment?”
Same reason. It’s the same romantic love myth. The princess is supposed to make the prince go through a whole lot of ordeals or she is not worth having somehow
NOPE. Not the section of men I’m talking about. They want commitment from women but don’t want to give it in return. The guys at Roissy are wrangling their heads over whether or not they should even DATE a woman because they don’t want to “ruin” her and make her bitter for the next beta guy when they dump her after 3 weeks to chase new tail.
Someone suggested “how about proposing to the woman an open short term relationship?”
Their response? “Ewwwwwwwwwww…. that means she’d be seeing other guys as well as me?”
“If you think people seek commitment because of “social conformity” why were you referencing a fear of slut-shaming and “princesses” making men “jump through hoops?”
These are all part of the romantic love myth that underlie the social rules that are conformed to.
I see. So the “romantic love myth” and “social conformity” are the same thing? Or are they intrinsically linked?
Brandon, I’m not putting the responsibility entirely upon the man. I’m responding to the attitude of the men at Roissy’s blog under the “leaving her better than you found her” topic, who’s underwear is in a bunch over whether or not to date a woman when you just want a short term non-commital relationship with her.
They are throwing out the following options:
1. Don’t do it. Every little chip away at her heart makes her more bitter for the next guy.
2. Do it. Pump and dump women mercilessly. They are always “lets just be friends”-ing their beta orbiters.
A binary option.
Guess what? Buddha says there’s a middle path:
JUST BE HONEST AND SAY YOU WANT A SHORT-TERM NON-COMMITAL RELATIONSHIP where BOTH are free to date other people.
PROBLEM SOLVED.
If she’s looking for commitment right now she’ll move on, and if she wants to date you in the interim till she finds someone else, she will.
What are these dudes afriad of?
“I see. So the “romantic love myth” and “social conformity” are the same thing? Or are they intrinsically linked?”
They are linked. But probably not the the whole story. There is also the ‘sex is only allowed in a monogamous marriage, and only for procreation’ thing. And the ‘getting a woman to have sex with me is something that validates my existence as a man’ thing.
Anyone who claims to be immune to social pressure is an arrogant shithead… and a liar if they’re bothered that I said that.
@Nobinayamu: No because that only says that women talk about commitment but that doesn’t explain why commitment is important to them. Basically what makes you (or any other female commenter here) value commitment?
IMO women tend to talk, discuss, complain about commitment or why their boyfriends are not committing to them far more than men even discuss commitment. In fact most of the conversations about commitment I have had with men is in reference to my the man’s girlfriend wants him to commit to her.
@Societal:Are you talking about the article or the commenters? In the article Roissy describes a situation where men reach a junction point in the relationship and have to think about what options to take:
1) Date her
2) Lie to her and sleep with other women
3) Be honest and tell her you sleep around
4) Break up with her and start dating again
Then he gives a list of situations that would force the man to make the decision:
– he found a hotter girl
– the full extent of her horrid personality came to light
– she gained weight or suffered facial disfigurement from an accident or attack (hey, it’s a cruel world)
– he is bursting with ball juice and can’t go more than three months without sampling new pussy
– a hotter ex came back into his life
– he cheated and decided leaving her was preferable to staying with her in penance prison, offering his manly dignity as sacrificial lamb
– he just got plain tired of banging her and needed his single life back
– he moved far away, or she moved far away
– she started pressing him to move the relationship forward
– he caught her cheating
Personally, I agree with the headline of the article . Breakups suck for both parties so the idea of “Leave her better than you found her” is just PUA’s trying to justify their methods.
The subtext to this is that people get strung along. Men string women along and women string men along. The whole point is if you don’t like getting strung along, then be aware of it, then leave.
As an example: If I keep on taking a girl out on dates and it isn’t moving forward, then I don’t make dates with her anymore. She obviously doesn’t want what I want so I don’t waste my time.
I also find the “men are just afraid of X…” meme funny since it is often incorrect.