From Human Stupidity, an MRA blog rather obsessed with underage girls and the alleged evil of age of consent laws:
[I]f a 15 year old … can decide to have sex with a 16 year old … [h]ow come she cannot have sex with a 35 year old? Age discrimination by law?
Are you worried about manipulation of the tender 15 year old? I have a solution:
what about legalizing sex with underage adolescents, if they first undergo an hour of mandatory counselling and a 2 day cool off period? That should take care of this issue. This would guarantee safety for the 15 year old against being conned or manipulated. More safety that is offered to 21 year old tipsy Friday night party girls who may feel sorry for what they did yesterday
I think he might actually be serious here. Though it’s pretty clear he’d be happy with any excuse to make it legal for 35 year-old men to have sex with 15 year-old girls.
But look on the bright side – now that Brandon’s here to inspire and enlighten us, this thread will keep going and going and going and going and I’ll have something to do if I have insomnia again tonight.
Yay?
Wait, were you telling them they were stupid for getting married? That might have done it.
Brandon: @Molly: While I do agree with a few principles of feminism, I don’t think I would be welcome at such an event. So far my IRL dealings with feminists have been met with hostility and snarky insults. Sometimes I haven’t even gotten passed “Hi, how are you?” without noticing their condemnation of me.
Since this doesn’t happen to me (or, from reports, to Sharculese, CB, etc.), I have to wonder if maybe it isn’t that you have a dick in your pants which is causing the friction.
AntZ: Articles are very different. The legitimate MRM sites that I posted earlier all vet articles for approrpiate content.
This is perhaps the most damning thing I’ve seen about the MRM.
“Sometimes I haven’t even gotten passed “Hi, how are you?” without noticing their condemnation of me. ”
I wonder why. You’re such a ray of sunshine and inclusiveness.
@Molly: This are the issues of feminism I support:
1) Equal pay for equal work
2) No gender discrimination on employment
3) I am against rape for everyone.
4) While personally I am pro-life I don’t think I have the right to impose that belief on others so I guess in a way I am pro-choice as well.
In fact if you said any economic or legal right feminists were fighting for, I would most likely agree. It’s when feminists start discussing social, family, marriage and relationship topics that I typically disagree with a lot. I also tend to disagree with the idea of patriarchy. I think parts of society benefit men and others benefit women. Feminists tend to make it sound like some Orwellian “boot stomping on the face of women” thing.
@Pencunium: Really dude…dick jokes? Stay classy champ.
earlier this week i approached one of my classmates about getting more involved in my school’s chapter of law students for reproductive justice. shockingly, the response wasnt ‘eewww gross no boys allowed’ it was ‘fuck yes, lsrj is awesome, welcome aboard’
JUST LIKE IT WAS RACIST OF MLK JR TO LEAD THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT FOR BLACKS AMIRITE?
Uh, Brandon? I don’t really think that was a dick *joke* as much as mentioning that you *had* one.
Unless friction is funny? (Ow.)
@Rutee: No…but if MLK turned down white men and women that wanted to help then yes…he would be a racist.
You don’t know how to read for comprehension? I am unsurprised.
The feminist movement doesn’t turn down help from male allies; Sharculese was specific that it was women who lead it, and said no more on that. We do chuck asshats out though, and you’re not really much of an ally because you expect us to make you the center of our cause.
@hellkell: You are lecturing me about inclusiveness? Umm…the pot calling the kettle black
@Rutee: Maybe some clarification is in order. When you think of “male allies”, what qualities come to mind?
Brandon | September 7, 2011 at 9:59 pm
@hellkell: You are lecturing me about inclusiveness? Umm…the pot calling the kettle black
How so? o:
Brandon, you haven’t really said much on here that marks you as a feminist ally.
I’ve been a bit of a goofball on here because I’m more concerned with poking you than actually bringing good debate, but there *are* feminist men. Really!
So your argument basically boils down to… what? People should be “allowed” to be feminists *just* because they have a dick, rather than their actual beliefs? Do you think Sarah Palin is a feminist just because she has a vagina?
Yeah, Brandon, I thought feminists were mean to you once for no reason, so you decided they were wrong. Which is an entirely logical and reasonable way to form a political opinion.
But hey, if I’m remembering that wrong, glad to have you in the club! I’m sorry, you don’t get to be Boss Feminist Overlord just because you have a penis and a high opinion of yourself. You have to, you know, do stuff, write well, inspire people, be a leader. Total bummer.
But keep at it, sport, there’s always room at the top!
A man who works to advance the cause of equality for women without expecting rewards, and without constant whining about the way women are going about it. So not you, since you expect us to do shit for you and to ‘reciprocate’ somehow beyond destroying where patriarchy hurts specific men.
@Molly: My point is if feminists want the support of men then it isn’t in feminists best interests to snub men because they might snub you back. While men might agree with you in principle, snubbing them or saying they aren’t wanted might cause a backlash.
As I said earlier, if the issue is economic or legal based I pretty much toe the feminist line. It isn’t until feminists start discussing more nuanced topics like dating and relationships that I pretty much disagree with everything. This disagreement makes me not “feminist-worthy”. So even while I agree with parts of feminist dogma, I am not helpful because I don’t toe the feminist line completely. So it seems that you can only be a feminist male if you swallow feminist dogma completely.
I tried to link to the Man Finally Put In Charge Of Struggling Feminist Movement Onion article, but it’s behind a pay-wall for me. Google, I guess. It’ll be worth your time.
@Rutee: Reciprocation is the cornerstone of respect. Claiming that you want men to do for you without doing for them makes you selfish and greedy.
What is that you want the feminist movement to provide for women? And explain why the MRM can’t provide what you want?
Vell, Hy haz a nice hat, a skull faze, a dick hin my pantz und hy tink dat vomen are reel peeepels vit huniqe perschpectives dat diserve equal treetments az hoomanz.
“My point is if feminists want the support of men then it isn’t in feminists best interests to snub men because they might snub you back. While men might agree with you in principle, snubbing them or saying they aren’t wanted might cause a backlash.”
I don’t really see this happening, Brandon. There are some things that have been going on politically that could be seen as a “backlash against feminism”, but I think they are specific parts of a generalized Right vs. Left fight. (The defunding of Planned Parenthood was, I think, more a symptom of people arguing about what the government should be doing rather than someone going “OMG, those feminists snubbed me at a party!”) There’s also some women that are taking part in anti-feminist ideals, like the whole “grizzly moms” thing they had a while ago. I don’t think all of those women were snubbed at a party, either.
“So even while I agree with parts of feminist dogma, I am not helpful because I don’t toe the feminist line completely. So it seems that you can only be a feminist male if you swallow feminist dogma completely.”
The main impression I’ve gotten from debating with you on here is that your philosophy of life isn’t very well thought out. You think equal pay is great, but you’re envisioning a “backlash” of what… the MRM? It’s 50/50 whether you’ll sound like you’ve actually considered opinions other than your own and whether you sound like you’re pulling things out of your ass.
I’m not even sure what your motivation was in starting this debate, honestly. To tell us feminism was wrong, just like you did with marriage? It’s okay if you disagree with me, but I don’t know whether you’re coming or going half the time, and that’s not really something that I’d want in someone who was going to be helping me to organize the next Slutwalk.