From Human Stupidity, an MRA blog rather obsessed with underage girls and the alleged evil of age of consent laws:
[I]f a 15 year old … can decide to have sex with a 16 year old … [h]ow come she cannot have sex with a 35 year old? Age discrimination by law?
Are you worried about manipulation of the tender 15 year old? I have a solution:
what about legalizing sex with underage adolescents, if they first undergo an hour of mandatory counselling and a 2 day cool off period? That should take care of this issue. This would guarantee safety for the 15 year old against being conned or manipulated. More safety that is offered to 21 year old tipsy Friday night party girls who may feel sorry for what they did yesterday
I think he might actually be serious here. Though it’s pretty clear he’d be happy with any excuse to make it legal for 35 year-old men to have sex with 15 year-old girls.
Hey Bill, care to explain again how we’re unfair when we call these guys creepy?
This is not a MRM issue.
Then why do the MRA talk about the age of consent so often?
“Accusations that feminists just love it and never object when women commit statutory rape of boys”
This was my experience.
On every feminist site I have read, all have condemned statutory rape of young boys. No feminist site I have ever read advocates for lowering the age of consent the way the MRAs do.
“Then why do the MRA talk about the age of consent so often?”
They don’t. Here is a list of the top three MRM sites in each category (according to traffic):
Purple:
fathersandfamilies.org
mensnewsdaily.com
falserapesociety.blogspot.com
Red:
the-spearhead.com
antimisandry.com
avoiceformen.com
AntZ, you’re full of shit and you know it.
Also, where are these feminists advocating for lowering of age of consent laws? Or celebrating raping young teen boys?
When? Where? Do you have links? Is this still your experience? Have your attitudes changed since seeing dozens of women condemning those actions?
Oh look the first thread I find when I Google The Spearhead and age of consent! A cached copy of a thread entitled “Age of Consent Should Be 15” in which multiple posters make pretty much all of the same arguments that Holly listed above. Oh, I already know your response, AntZ. It’s only one thread, and “no true Scotsman.” We get it. And you’re full of shit.
http://www.somethingawful.com/d/weekend-web/spearhead-forum-misandry.php?page=5
I looked through the entire year of 2011. So far, there has not been even one article on age of consent, except for:
1) For obvious reasons on falserapesociety.
2) Articles about court ordered child support against under-age aged boys who were victimized by adult women.
This is another case of erecting a false effigy of a make-believe “men’s rights movement” in order to burn it down in a grand (but meaningless) gesture. The prophet speaks, the people are pacified, and the flock feverishly proclaim their faith. All is good in la-la land.
@blitzgal
A comment made in April 2010? Really? This is what a feminist means when she says “MRA talk about the age of consent so often?”
@Bostonian: Sure feminist websites don’t advocate for the lowering of the age of consent or say that it is perfectly ok to rape little boys…but they do ignore trends that make women appear in a negative light.
One such trend is female teachers raping or acting sexually towards male students.
The Big List: http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=39783
Right, Anthony. I fucking love it when women abuse boys. WTF, seriously.
How about mandatory counselling for MRAs? They could use some basic social skills and reading skills.
Ah, so if it happened a year ago it’s no big deal. Why do you guys still freak out over Andrea Dworkin and Mary Daly again?
Actually, I’ve only ever heard feminists specifically say “Nah, they’re rapists, throw ’em in jail”.
Maybe you’re thinking of pop culture there, Brandon.
Brandon, tell me the names of every male teacher who’s been arrested for rape in the state of Wisconsin in the past year. And don’t use Google. You can’t, can you? That’s because the stories were treated as local news and did not receive national coverage, which is exactly how stories of female sexual predators are handled. As local news.
Brandon: Protip: Linking to World Net Daily does nothing to enhance your credibility.
Having said that, it appears that the article is just a list of women who have been accused of raping their students. There does not appear to be, at first glance, anything about the feminist response to the issue.
Brandon, feminists have noted those trends in posts, and have stated outright their horror of that type of thing, without blaming the boys in question for being “too sexy” or saying the boys were “mature for their age”.
Again, no feminists have advocated for lowering the age of consent to make raping 14 year olds legal.
Here, on men’s Rights Reddit, is a whole thread of advocates for raping young teens,
http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/jwaxm/feminist_debating_tactic_101_false_accusations_of/
This includes a screed about how raping 14 year olds is just natural and right, as long as those 14 year olds are girls.
@ Antz,
This is another case of erecting a false effigy of a make-believe “men’s rights movement” in order to burn it down in a grand (but meaningless) gesture. The prophet speaks, the people are pacified, and the flock feverishly proclaim their faith. All is good in la-la land.
Of course, the MRM couldn’t possibly be obsessed with such trivial issues as age of consent when there’s a sex-segregated utopia to be planned.
I’m gonna propose that it’s because 16-year-olds are old enough to drive. A 14 or 15-year-old cannot legally drive by themselves, so once you get them in a car or take them far away from their home they are more likely to be physically dependent on you for transportation and are therefore literally less able to escape. So going after kids who are under 16 means you have access to a much more vulnerable and easily-controlled population.
Charming shit, innit?
In contrast, here is an older post on Shakesville, regarding the case of a young boy raped by a woman.
http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2008/07/this-is-not-right-type-of-equality.html
Here is a quote from the article
“Cases where women sexually assault men are vanishingly rare, and virtually all of them fall under the header of statutory rape. And in cases of statutory rape, there’s a tendency to say the boy was actually making out like a bandit — he’s a stud for getting with his teacher. But a 12-year-old boy is no more mature than a 12-year-old girl, and no more ready to have sex with someone twice his age. He is, I’m sure, no less confused than any other victim of statutory rape, and no less traumatized. So it’s good to know that when confronted with the rare male rape victim, our legal system will respond to him just like it would a 12-year-old girl — by saying it’s all about the victim, what he looked like, what he was doing, how he was at fault — thus traumatizing him all the more. Hooray for equality. Where’s the Tylenol?”
Please note the actual condemnation of raping the young boy in question, and the emphasis on the young boy’s innocence.
Check out this Jezebel thread from a couple days ago.
http://jezebel.com/5837203/25+year+old-mom-left-kids-home-alone-so-she-could-pop-pills-have-sex-with-her-13+year+old-neighbor
In the OP, the author characterizes a 25-year-old woman sleeping with a 13-year-old boy as “sex.” In the following comments, dozens of people–mostly women and mostly feminists, come forth to say “no, that’s rape.”
I love how his main argument (only argument?) is that the toddler was presumably not hospitalized therefore it couldn’t have been all that bad, and therefore wasn’t rape. Because apparently being physically capable of having something done to you without major injury means you consented to it.
Wow oh wow oh wow.
You know….This is something that I can speak to. I was 15 when I was raped the first time. Gods that sounds horrible to say. Anyway, horrors aside (who says survivors have no sense of humor), Why would a grown adult WANT to have sex with a child. That is what I still do not understand. I can tell you that the guy who had sex with me when I was 15 was 16 AND he still hurt me deeply. Regardless if it is a 16 year old OR a 35 year old or ANYONE over the age of consent NO ONE should be having sex with a 15 year old. Girl or Boy for that matter. It is an excuse for pedophilia and it is morally repugnant. I just don’t get it…But then again I have never been a pedophile or someone wanting to have sex with a minor. Guess I do not have the ability to understand the desire. I only have the ability to understand the damage done to a 15 year old girl having sex consentually or not.
Lucky