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“Feminism was born out of a PR campaign to get women to smoke cigarettes” and other fun “facts” from Reddit

Typical feminists, according to Reddit

A redditor called fxexular has put together an amazing compilation of fun “facts” about feminism from assorted Redditors. It’s a bit like reading the descriptions of an elephant offered by six blind men who are also drunk misogynist assholes. Among my favorites:

feminism, at best, focuses on relatively trivial female issues instead of grotesque male issues and at worst is pure man hate.

feminism. Where the most privileged people in society can whine about their “oppression of opulence.”

Feminism is about strong males using law to further marginalize weak males.

The ruling class uses feminism as a tool to keep men, young men and boy’s down

It’s like pissing in a bucket of water – piss enough, and you’ll dilute the water to mostly piss. “Feminism” is a bucket of piss these days, from all the crazy and ignorant that attached to it over the years, especially the past decade when it became a fad.

feminism destroys men’s confidence and sense of satisfaction in being male.

every feminist is a abuser or a abuser apologist or a shield for other abusers.

Feminists don’t even think of men as human.

Most women and feminists view gay men as accessories.

these feminist nut cases have only one goal: total female supremacy at the expense of men. Fuck every last one of these haggard harpies. Fuck ’em all.

I used to hold doors, I dont anymore. I just let it slam in the face of whoever is behind me b/c I have been publicly embarrassed by many a feminist for being polite.

Feminists are like witches, but this isn’t the The Land of Oz, Dorothy. There are no “good” feminists.

Brainwashed weak feminist men are a favorite of feminists. They don’t treat them very well, but they use them to great effect.

i’m mad as hell at the way men are treated by the feminist gynecocracy

The people who dismiss /mr are like abusers; they’re looking for any excuse to piss all over something they know is logical and true because they can’t handle it emotionally.

Many feminists do hate men and want to emasculate them. While I’m thankful for the few who don’t I feel that their silence allows the groups like NOW to exploit men and women alike for their own aims.

I know it sounds good to believe that feminism was always about equality but go and read up on the first wave suffragettes. They were basically domestic terrorists in many cases.

The feminism of the 60’s also lead to the vitriol hatred of men.

I suspect that the butt-ugly women who started feminism in the 60’s were confronted for the first time with an efficient mating market (after the sexual revolution), and they couldn’t stand “losing” to the pretty girls

[Feminists’] entire shtick is to repeat misinformation and when that fails bust out the unsubstantiated personal attacks

Yeah, no irony there!

I think this one is my favorite, though:

I will never socialize with feminists after I learned the darkness of their philosophy.

Most of these quotes are from the Men’s Rights subreddit. Every quote in fxexular’s list that I went to look at in context had gotten more upvotes than downvotes. So they must be true!

EDITED TO ADD: Oops! Forgot the link. I added it above. And here is is again, just in case.

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Pecunium
10 years ago

Nope

Dracula
Dracula
10 years ago

So it’s not just me then.

Dracula
Dracula
10 years ago

Let’s see.

Dracula
Dracula
10 years ago

I think it’s my fault.

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
10 years ago

Poll: who thinks it was a mistake to teach JK Rowling to write?

The woman whose book launched a billion fanfics? Bitch, please!

Now, that lady who wrote Twilight on the other hand… <_<

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
10 years ago
Bagelsan
Bagelsan
10 years ago

Grr. Fucking woman writers, getting their girly damn italics everywhere!

Dracula
Dracula
10 years ago

If you mean me, I’m not a woman.

Societal Contract
Societal Contract
10 years ago

Feminism was born out of a PR campaign to get women to smoke cigarettes AND Sigmund Freud’s nephew Edward Bernays was behind that.

TRUE STORY.

Check this documentary

Societal Contract
Societal Contract
10 years ago

Starting at the 10 minute mark to about the 15 minute mark in the above video is where Edward Bernay’s sets out to persuade women to smoke and buy cigarettes for the corporation he was hired by.

He flies to Europe to consult with his uncle Sigmund Freud about how to go about this. Freud says cigarettes are a symbol of the male penis and if you could convince women that by smoking they will become “powerful” like men, this would satisfy their inner desire to have a penis.

katz
10 years ago

SC seems unable to decide if he wants to Poe us or just loudly assert at us.

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
10 years ago

*gently shushes Dracula* I know, I know, but acknowledging that would ruin the thesis that women are terrible and are to blame for everything. ^^

Dracula
Dracula
10 years ago

All right then, carry on.

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
10 years ago

He flies to Europe to consult with his uncle Sigmund Freud about how to go about this. Freud says cigarettes are a symbol of the male penis and if you could convince women that by smoking they will become “powerful” like men, this would satisfy their inner desire to have a penis.

Hmm, I don’t claim to be a smoker, but I didn’t know that cigarettes were usually inserted into the vagina. And shouldn’t we all be smoking big thick ol’ cigars? Now that’s a cancer stick a lady can really wrap her lips around!

ozymandias42
10 years ago

I love blowjobs! Blowjobs are fun!

Your anecdotal evidence does not outweigh my anecdotal evidence.

BlackBloc
BlackBloc
10 years ago

If bonobos are doing it then I expect a lot of humans like doing it as well, no matter if it’s called a perversion (in fact, I would wager in many societies people are loving it *because* it’s a perversion).

Societal Contract
Societal Contract
10 years ago

Chill out grrlz. You are young and part of the Anglosphere that grew up on porn or is at least very much exposed to it. So yeah, you love giving bjs, I would expect nothing “less”.

But there’s a whole wide world out there of, how shall I put it, slightly more sexually reserved women?

VoiP
VoiP
10 years ago

Italics begone!

VoiP
VoiP
10 years ago

?

BlackBloc
BlackBloc
10 years ago

“Under 60” Western women? Please. How naive can you be? Oral pleasuring was not some super secret until modern day porn. Sade’s work (Enlightnment era France) mentions it as something common already in those days, using words that are *archaic* and unused in modern-day French…

And again, bonobos do it. It’s likely early pre-civilization humans had oral sex as well.

Magpie
Magpie
10 years ago

Hang loose, goose. Attitudes and frequency of [X] aren’t identical in every place and time. It’s no big deal! 😀

“They’ll get my blowjob when they pry it from my cold, dead, …..” um, that could have done with a bit more thought 😉

Magpie
Magpie
10 years ago

It’s not all or nothing, either. “Less than you are used to” doesn’t necessarily mean “not at all”.

ozymandias42
10 years ago

Oral seems like a really obvious idea to me. “Hey, kissing’s fun, I can kiss my partner all over… what if I kiss zir genitals?” It’s not like it’s figging, here. This is a very obvious concept.

Magpie
Magpie
10 years ago

All hail David, fixer of italics!

Moewicus
Moewicus
10 years ago

All on board the Broken-HTML-Correcting Cock Carousel!

As for the prevalence, or not, of blowjob giving around the world, I do think the argument is taking place in something of a vacuum of hard evidence and as such arguments are is intractable. I tried searching google scholar for “oral sex attitudes international” and didn’t find much that looked relevant, and gave up, but I’m no google scholar ace. Maybe someone with more patience and access to their university’s journal databases can look it up. In the meantime, Wikipedia says it has been subject to various levels of taboo but has also been promoted in non-western cultures. And according to this Salon article, in ancient Rome stealing potatoes could see one giving fellatio as punishment:

http://www.salon.com/sex/feature/2000/05/22/oral_history/print.html

Although the interviewed author (Thierry Leguay) is wrong about non-human animals: as Holly mentioned, bonobos do it, and bats have been shown to as well.

Moewicus
Moewicus
10 years ago

and as such arguments are is intractable

should read maybe read:

and, as such arguments are, is intractable without reference to such evidence.

/sensemaking

Moewicus
Moewicus
10 years ago

should read maybe read

I give up.

Holly Pervocracy
10 years ago

Did DKM really latch on and make an entire rant about “you mentioned blowjobs, therefore women shouldn’t learn to read and write” because my neighbor’s dog had a silly name?

That’s one hell of a shining example of the “grab a keyword and run with it” method of Internet arguing.

Pecunium
10 years ago

Horses engage in vulvular licking, so do dogs. There are graffito, and artworks of oral sex in Pompeii, and one of the most notorious books of the early printing era was an Italian collection of erotic drawings. It pretty much proves Aristotles point that there is nothing new under the sun.

Shakespeare made blowjob jokes, Bourbon France had bawdy snuffboxes, Victorians wrote novels, diaries, and letters about how they liked their sex.

All of them showed/talked about oral sex, male and female. Given the prevalence of it’s showing up in art and literature, I am going to go with the idea that it’s been enjoyed for as long as people have been engaged in lovemaking, and probably as long as they’ve been fucking.

Rutee Katreya
10 years ago

SC, you claimed every culture, throughout all of history, except the modern west hates blowjobs. This is an actual fact claim. IF you want tob e lazy, fine. But this is one you can *demonstrate*, because we have these things called primary sources. Don’t cite ‘direct empirical evidence’ when you could be citing actual hard evidence. Prove your case, don’t assert it.

Or be lazy. I don’t care. But don’t get angry when people won’t take you seriously because you’re lazy. It pisses me off as a lazy person to see someone else unwilling to cop to that.

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
10 years ago

I’ve heard that dolphins are goddamn perverts! Also, everything this lady says: http://www.sundancechannel.com/greenporno/

Man, those animals are fucking like animals out there.

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
10 years ago

Oh, btw, a video starts immediately when you open that link… but it’s work-safe for at least a minute or so, I think. :p

Societal Contract
Societal Contract
10 years ago

” And according to this Salon article, in ancient Rome stealing potatoes could see one giving fellatio as punishment”

PUNISHMENT.

David K. Meller
David K. Meller
10 years ago

Holly Pervocrazy,

My comment related to the simple fact that there was too much attention being paid to ‘blowjobs” and not enough to the many other ways that women can bring great pleasure to the man–or men–in their lives. It had nothing to do with a name somebody gave a dog, silly or not.

My comment on women learning to read and write was one of exasperation brought about by the sheer stupidity of women chatter and girly gabble endlessly droning on here about giving silly blowjobs! Some people like ’em, and some don’t! End of story!

ozymandias42
10 years ago

Societal Contract, the ancient Romans had multiple words for blowjobs– fellatio and irrumatio (although irrumatio more closely translates as “mouth-fuck”).

DKM: I try to bring joy to the people in my life, whether they’re men or women. I’m not, like, some kind of joy-to-men robot here.

And what if the dude I’m with gets the most joy from me being a smart, opinionated, argumentative woman who can challenge and educate him as well as being challenged and educated by him?

Hershele Ostropoler
10 years ago

Oral sex was invented in 1990. I never saw any reference to it before that year. QED.

Ahem. I understand that many if not most women think they enjoy fellatio, and the difference between thinking you enjoy something and enjoying it is slim. Extrapolating from my own experience as a straight man, I certainly find it plausible. It’s possible that they’ve all been brainwashed by porn, but it’s unlikely that they only do it because men have convinced them it’s normal (and if many/most women do it, doesn’t that mean it is normal?)

Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
10 years ago

If you can take a break from thinking about the furnishings of Toad Hall and your new horse and carriage, Meller, please enlighten us. What do you consider to be the non-blow job related joys that a properly trained, skilled, and hopefully illiterate, submissive woman can bring to a man?

Societal Contract
Societal Contract
10 years ago

People, I’m not saying oral sex is “bad” – especially not cunninglingus 😉

What I’m saying is that blow jobs have been mainstreamed only recently in the West via porn to the point where now men EXPECT it (instead of seeing it as a “treat” like they used to.)

It is common knowledge that in our Black community here in the States Black women will not give them to the same extent that White women will. In Jamaica it is considered the most nastiest of things.

In Kama Sutra it was written that it is not something a man should expect of a wife, but that he could obtain via a certain section of transgendered prostitutes and male and transgendered barbers (lol).

There are many things in porn that I could not even imagine existing but these days people talk about them on the internet as if they are “normal” and people who think those things are disgusting are somehow abnormal with sexual hang-ups.

Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
10 years ago

It is common knowledge that in our Black community here in the States Black women will not give them to the same extent that White women will.

Um, yeah, this just isn’t true. Perceptions and willingness to admit to it may be different and influenced by generational norms. But this isn’t true.

Pecunium
10 years ago

Societal Contract: What I’m saying is that blow jobs have been mainstreamed only recently in the West via porn to the point where now men EXPECT it (instead of seeing it as a “treat” like they used to.)

And we are saying you are wrong.

That was easy to clear up.

Rutee Katreya
10 years ago

Yeah if that’s literally the only thing you claim you should still be able to find evidence that it’s expected now, if nothing else.

Societal Contract
Societal Contract
10 years ago

OK Pecunium, ask your grandmoms if blow jobs were mainstreamed in their day.

ozymandias42
10 years ago

Dude, I’ve seen vintage porn from my grandmother’s time. There were not only blowjobs in it but also cunnilingus, buttfucking and a lady getting eaten out by a dog.

Rutee Katreya
10 years ago

You also missed all the primary source ancient porn.

This shit was produced in enough numbers to be preserved without extra caution taken. What does that tell you.

Societal Contract
Societal Contract
10 years ago

“Dude, I’ve seen vintage porn from my grandmother’s time. There were not only blowjobs in it but also cunnilingus, buttfucking and a lady getting eaten out by a dog.”

Exactly my point. PORN. Now ask your grandmoms if any of that was mainstream.

Pecunium
10 years ago

Societal Contract: 1: I see you don’t accept our word for it. Why should we take yours?

2: I can’t, they are dead.

Back to (1): I do have primary source material, and some rather good secondary source material, relevant to my grandmothers’ days (they being a bit older than you suspected, the range is late victorian to early modern). It contradicts you (please note, this is not assertion, it is citation)

I commend, “When passion reigned”, and any number of “French Postcards” postcards; some in stereo.

The “postcards” move one all the way up to the early modern, and into the “stag films” of the teens and twenties, which brings us up to my other grandmother.

Taking the writings of soldiers in WW1 (English, Anzac, Canadian, US) blowjobs were 1: Common and 2 (this is the important part) not exotic. Given the somewhat sheltered (altogether) nature of some of the boys who went to France (they being young) this is rather telling of the more widespread than you are asserting nature of them.

It’s quite possible that, in your circles, they are looked down on, that does not make the attitude universal.

Societal Contract
Societal Contract
10 years ago

“Taking the writings of soldiers in WW1”

Soldiers hang in brothels.

Societal Contract
Societal Contract
10 years ago

Which corresponds with what the Kama Sutra says…. prostitutes can be expected to do it, not wives.

KathleenB
KathleenB
10 years ago

Societal Contract: This is really, really easy to clear up. Go, do your research, show us some sources that say oral sex was nasty and forbidden (moreso than standard piv sex). Seriously, you’ve brought up these… I hesitate to call them ‘points’, so let’s go with arguments. You get to defend them. Have fun!