A redditor called fxexular has put together an amazing compilation of fun “facts” about feminism from assorted Redditors. It’s a bit like reading the descriptions of an elephant offered by six blind men who are also drunk misogynist assholes. Among my favorites:
feminism, at best, focuses on relatively trivial female issues instead of grotesque male issues and at worst is pure man hate.
feminism. Where the most privileged people in society can whine about their “oppression of opulence.”
Feminism is about strong males using law to further marginalize weak males.
The ruling class uses feminism as a tool to keep men, young men and boy’s down
It’s like pissing in a bucket of water – piss enough, and you’ll dilute the water to mostly piss. “Feminism” is a bucket of piss these days, from all the crazy and ignorant that attached to it over the years, especially the past decade when it became a fad.
feminism destroys men’s confidence and sense of satisfaction in being male.
every feminist is a abuser or a abuser apologist or a shield for other abusers.
Feminists don’t even think of men as human.
Most women and feminists view gay men as accessories.
these feminist nut cases have only one goal: total female supremacy at the expense of men. Fuck every last one of these haggard harpies. Fuck ’em all.
I used to hold doors, I dont anymore. I just let it slam in the face of whoever is behind me b/c I have been publicly embarrassed by many a feminist for being polite.
Feminists are like witches, but this isn’t the The Land of Oz, Dorothy. There are no “good” feminists.
Brainwashed weak feminist men are a favorite of feminists. They don’t treat them very well, but they use them to great effect.
i’m mad as hell at the way men are treated by the feminist gynecocracy
The people who dismiss /mr are like abusers; they’re looking for any excuse to piss all over something they know is logical and true because they can’t handle it emotionally.
Many feminists do hate men and want to emasculate them. While I’m thankful for the few who don’t I feel that their silence allows the groups like NOW to exploit men and women alike for their own aims.
I know it sounds good to believe that feminism was always about equality but go and read up on the first wave suffragettes. They were basically domestic terrorists in many cases.
The feminism of the 60’s also lead to the vitriol hatred of men.
I suspect that the butt-ugly women who started feminism in the 60’s were confronted for the first time with an efficient mating market (after the sexual revolution), and they couldn’t stand “losing” to the pretty girls
[Feminists’] entire shtick is to repeat misinformation and when that fails bust out the unsubstantiated personal attacks
Yeah, no irony there!
I think this one is my favorite, though:
I will never socialize with feminists after I learned the darkness of their philosophy.
Most of these quotes are from the Men’s Rights subreddit. Every quote in fxexular’s list that I went to look at in context had gotten more upvotes than downvotes. So they must be true!
EDITED TO ADD: Oops! Forgot the link. I added it above. And here is is again, just in case.
Is it possible that two things are being conflated: blow-jobs as a sexual act that people have engaged in for a long time vs. blow-jobs as a sexual act that people engaged in but didn’t discuss?
People, forget about online sources, go talk to your grandparents. That’s all the “evidence” you need.
Societal Contract:
I am citing people who are older than most people’s grandparents.
They talk about blowobs. There are women the book I referred to who say they look forward to their husbands coming home from trips so they can blow them.
In the 1880s.
So, by the standard you set (one person’s experience) I have done just what you asked for.
As to “brothels” The point was that the men weren’t saying, ‘wow… this thing I never heard of happened. They were talking about blowjobs as if they were normal behavior (and blowjobs were actually not that common in the brothels of the line, they take too long, compared to PIV, oral sex was something they got with their liasons in the villages where they took their “rest” out of the line, or from leave in England, but hey, don’t let those pesky things like books and letters and facts get in the way of what your granny told you).
Societal Contract, I don’t even know what you’re claiming at this point. Many societies have had varied attitudes towards it. I think we’ve established that by now. Right?
Also, The Kinsey Report; that was the ’50s, well in advance of the mainstreaming of porn.
Yeah… See the thing is, I love my grandmother very, very much and -while we have a great relationship- I just can’t ask her about specific and explicit sexual acts. Surprisingly, we have talked about the importance of sex in a round-about sort of a way. I used to listen to her and her sisters talk late into the night about men and husbands and marriage and some of those conversations were quite… ribald. To say the least.
It’s also not as though grandparents are likely to be entirely honest. Again, I love my grandmother; she’s a wonderful woman. But I know that her first child was born outside of wedlock, before she met my grandfather, and that his birth was the primary reason she moved out of the south. Here’s the thing though: she’s never actually told me this. We’ve talked in great detail about her entire life. She’s told me all about meeting and marrying my grandfather. She knows that I know about my uncle; one of her sisters even told me the story. But she’s never actually said this to me.
Which is all just to say, again, that what people talk/talked about and what people do/did are not necessarily the same thing.
Another example:
As a blanket, generalization this is absurd. Maybe it’s true of the women in your social circle; I couldn’t say. Maybe you think it’s true of the women in your social circle because that’s what they say to you. Again, I have no way of knowing.
But I know that it isn’t true because I’m a part of the “…Black community here in the States…” and I laughed when I read this.
Also, I never asked my late grandmother about blowjobs in the thirties, but at one point she told me about how when she worked at a bank (as a teller, I think) the other women working there would talk about the “immoral” things they did over the weekends or somesuch, without specifying what those actions were. She concluded by asking me “Why can’t people just be moral?” I can only assume that, despite the conservative sexual mores of the time, women were still doing things that were frowned upon.
Have you met my grandmother? Christ, I can barely ask her the time without getting a lecture on How Horrible Young People Are Today, what with our converting to non christianity and our dating outside our race and our having kids out of wedlock and shit. Asking her about sex would either result in my being ostracized or learning way, way more about being a model in New York in the early ’40s than I ever, ever needed to know.
This is one of those threads that remind me that Australia and USA are two different countries 🙂
Assuming that I were to ask my grandmother about blowjobs back in her day, and assuming that my grandmother were to agree with you, Societal Contract — at best that proves that from the 1930s to the 1950s, in a certain area of the U.S., blowjobs were not mainstream. Which isn’t the same as saying that it’s been mainstreamed only recently in the U.S., as you assert.
You’re probably better off arguing that in your experience, blowjobs weren’t common until the past few decades and your acquaintance with pornography. It’s much more difficult to try to claim that you can infer from your experience that in the whole of history throughout the ages, and over the many cultures that make up “the West,” everyone’s experiences have been the same as your own.
Bee: SC isn’t arguing that it has only been recently mainstreamed in the US. She is arguing that it has only be mainstreamed, anywhere in the world recently because of US manufactured porn.
Easy enough… http://drruth.com/
Soc K:
That may be all the evidence you need. Personally, I wouldn’t mind seeing some fancy book-larnin’.
“Exactly my point. PORN. Now ask your grandmoms if any of that was mainstream.”
I know! This whole “put penis in vagina” thing was NEVER mainstream! Ya know how I know? Because PORN!
SC, not every act shown in porn is something “rare”. The US, at least, has had trouble depicting *any* sex act *anywhere* that’s not porn, no matter how “popular” it is.
Bee, since I’ve lived in several different countries across the globe, Pecunium is correct. I’m not talking exclusively about the US nor even western, European countries.
Wait, so have people also only started eating pussy recently because of porn? Or is it just blowjobs? Why do you think oral sex is some new recent thing? Oh wait, because you asked your grandparents. Did they tell you to get off their lawn as well?
SC is not saying it’s new, Snowy. She’s saying she has noticed attitudes and expectations of it are different over time and in different places.
Societal Contract, I wonder if this is one of those cases of a non-USian accidentally pushing USian buttons. What I read you as saying seems to be different to what others read you as saying. Just don’t start talking about guns! lol 🙂
SC, both of my grandmothers loved to regale us grandkids with tales of all the blowjobs they gave in their youth.
Oh, wait, my grandparents never discussed sex with us at all, and I would never have dreamed of bringing up the issue with any of them because that would have been really really weeeeeird.
“Societal Contract, I wonder if this is one of those cases of a non-USian accidentally pushing USian buttons.”
Probably. I made a small comment in passing based on my own experiences and it turned into this.
There seems to be a need to believe that blow jobs are and have always been mainstream throughout the entire world.
Jamaican men would be in ecstacy to hear that there are regular, ordinary women out here who need to believe that.
Come gitchu island bwoy, gyal. Bingy Mon gwan wine pon dey white gyal poom-poom dem, n let she lick dey natty dread below. Yeah mon.
😉
“SC is not saying it’s new, Snowy.”
Yes, Magpie, she is.
“What I’m saying is that blow jobs have been mainstreamed only recently in the West via porn”
That sounds like she’s saying it’s new to me. Maybe you have a different interpretation? Involving people in the US being overly sensitive or something? Oh wait, you did that already.
“Come gitchu island bwoy, gyal. Bingy Mon gwan wine pon dey white gyal poom-poom dem, n let she lick dey natty dread below. Yeah mon.”
Wow Societal Contract, that was such an amazing recreation of a Jamaican accent! At first I thought you were just being a total dickhead, but then you added a winking emoticon so I knew everything was cool. Right on.
Nope, Snowy. Blow jobs were written about in the Kama Sutra which is very old, so I’m under no impression that the concept is new.
However they were written about as something that regular, ordinary “respectable” women would find objectionable and therefore the men who were hellbent on experiencing it were advised to seek out transgendered prostitutes who specialized in the skill, as well as male or transgendered barbers, who along with a clean shave, could clean them up elsewhere as well 😉 … for the right price. But not even all the prostitutes were willing or expected to engage in it.
I’m saying, as I have been saying all along, that blow jobs have been mainstreamed recently in the US due to porn to the point where they are expected and objections to them on the grounds that the woman finds them “nasty” (as do Jamaican women, ask your local Dread), that she’s seen as abnormal or repressed in some way.
I’ve even heard that something called “facials” which is particularly disgusting is currently being mainstreamed from porn.
American guys under 35 are expecting this. I say fuck them. Pun not intended.
“Wow Societal Contract, that was such an amazing recreation of a Jamaican accent!”
Except in my case its not a recreation.