There needs to be a Manboobz Addendum to Godwin’s Law to cover those who compare their lack of dating success to, you know, genocide. You may recall the charming Tumblr dude who equated dateless “nice guys” with persecuted Jews in Nazi Germany.
And now we have “white and nerdy,” the blogger behind Omega Virgin Revolt taking the datelessness=genocide thing a step or two further. As you might guess from the title of his blog, WAN doesn’t exactly have women beating a path to his door. Not even golddiggers, even though he is, he says, “a widly successful owner of my own business.” Women don’t even want to use him for his money? Why is that? Because he is not a — wait for it – “alpha” man.
Yep, it’s the same old dopey logic we’ve seen so, so many times before: Women won’t date me => therefore I’m not an alpha => therefore women won’t date anyone but alphas. WAN has added one more step to this illogical logic chaim: this makes them the equivalent of genocidal monstere:
The ideology that women act on is the ideology of Pol Pot, of the Killing Fields. Women want non-alpha men purged and intelligence is considered by women to be a lack of alphaness in a man. This is similar to the ideology that led to the killing fields. Many of the millions who were murdered by the Khmer Rouge in the Killing Fields were murdered for showing signs of intelligence. That included everything from education to the possesion of wristwatches and/or glasses. If modern geeky hobbies had existed in Cambodia in the 70s, I’m sure that would have been included along with wristwatches and glasses as evidence of intelligence, and anyone interested in geeky hobbies would have been murdered too.
He’s making a could-not-possibly-be-more-strained reference to the whole Alyssa Bereznak/Jon Finkel kerfuffle. Bereznak, as most of you probably already know, wrote a sort of snarky, sort of stupid piece for Gizmodo about her date with Finkel, a champion Magic the Gathering player, and said some mean things about him and his geeky hobby. Pol Pot engineered the deaths of roughly 2 million people, many of them urban dwellers and intellectuals forced to relocate to collective farms in the countryside. Many died of starvation; others were shot – or beaten to death, in order to save on bullets.
So, yeah, Bereznak and Pol Pot are pretty much identical.
WAN continues:
[T] ideology of what women are doing now and what Pol Pot did are very similar. The Killing Fields needed to be opposed for both moral and practical reasons and so must what women are doing now. Rebel at The Spearhead said that women are engaged in a “holy crusade” against men. … The Khmer Rouge was also on a “holy crusade”. As Rebel also said what is at stake is nothing less than civilization itself and your existence and freedom just as it was with the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia.
In an earlier post pretty much making the identical, er, “argument,” WAN takes aim at comedian Julie Klausner, who recently published a memoir called I Don’t Care About Your Band: What I Learned from Indie Rockers, Trust Funders, Pornographers, Faux Sensitive Hipsters, Felons and Others. In her book, and in some interviews about the book, Klausner made some unflattering comments about “beta males” and “immature” men. This sends WAN into a rage:
Hitler, Stalin, Mao, or Pol Pot would be proud of this cunt. She all but calls for concentration camps for her “useless beta inferior men” who secretly run the world. …
Ah, classic weasel words: “All but calls for.” In other words, she doesn’t actually call for concentration camps, or even rock ‘n’ roll fantasy camps, for men in any way shape or form. Never mind. WAN continues:
Somehow these “straight angry nerds” who are “useless and inferior” took over the world when no one was looking and this cunt says “something needs to be done” about this “epidemic”.
This type of thinking is widespread among women. …
[I]t’s no surprise that a lot of men are saying they think they would be better off with the Taliban running things. While I’m not sure that isn’t just trading one set of problems for another … I understand what these men are thinking. Anything has got to be better than this.
So: Nerdy men are “oppressed” by women who won’t date them. The solution to this imaginary oppression: oppress women for real.
I couldn’t make this shit up.
I can’t help but marvel at the complaint that nerdy guys can’t get laid. I know a lot of nerds, in fact I don’t think know any guys who aren’t somewhere on the nerd spectrum. Except for the ones that are married, my nerdy friends and I tend to find women and men to sleep with on a pretty steady (say two or three new partners per year) basis.
I wonder if there is an age thing going on here. I can acknowledge, for example, that I had much less luck in my early twenties then in my late twenties and early thirties.
The only other explanation I can think of is that perhaps these complainers are chasing utterly the wrong women. I have never spent much time dating or trying to date men or women who would be described as ‘mainstream’ or ‘average’ — since I am an eccentric and nerdy outsider type, I tend to gravitate towards people in similarly marginal social spaces.
Maybe if I wanted to date the minidress-club-dancing or cute-waitress or receptionist-from-work-who-wears-lowcut-shirts type of girls, then I would also be frustrated. But wouldn’t guys like OVS prefer women with whom he had something in common? Strange nerdy women who happen to be extremely physically attractive are not difficult to find.
Maybe it’s a question of filtering potential partners in the wrong order. If you filter first for people that you want to have a conversation with, and then filter for attractive people, you’ll do a lot better. If you filter first for attractive bodies, and then try to connect with them, you will often find yourself in boring or unpleasant situations.
My hypotheses above may all be wrong, of course. The one thing I know is that I am a nerdy guy who has no trouble getting women. I also have no trouble sleeping with dudes, mostly I sleep with guys as nerdy as me, and (unless they’re gay) they tend to get a lot of action as well. So, working from the anecdotal data set I have, it is very difficult to draw a conclusion that nerdy guys can’t get laid. I just want to get that on the record.
Dammit, WordPress ate my extremely witty and cogent comment!
Anyway, what VoIP said:
makes me think, “Gee, that really puts my own problems in perspective” and I feel sort of ashamed for getting so worked up about the cost of kitchen cabinets or whatever. Do MRAs think that too? Or do they say, “Yeah! And we can’t get laid! TO THE BARRICADES!”
And whoever was complaining that we’re bigots for calling men who can’t get laid psychologically disturbed, potential murderers, and pedophiles, I’d like to point out that whenever we’ve used those terms they have been amply justified by the insultee’s statements. Yeah, we did call Juan a pedophile, but only after he wrote screeds justifying pedophilia and posted extremely skeevy images. And I defy anyone to read Samuel’s posts on the “If at first you don’t succeed…” thread (the delusions about sperm, the confusion between consensual sex and rape, him freaking out because no one answered him quickly enough, him ASKING ME TO CHANGE MY AVATAR BECAUSE I’M TOO HOT, etc) and NOT think he’s psychologically disturbed.
Honestly, I can’t speak for everyone, but I couldn’t be less interested in the sex lives of people who aren’t me, especially angry people who seem to hate me for no good reason. I would never make fun of someone for not having a partner if they wanted one, because I know how painful that is. So I don’t!
I concentrate on the ridiculous, factually incorrect, and morally vile things you guys say instead.
Bill: Lynch mob? This phrase, you don’t understand it.
Let’s break this down.
1: OVR compares women to genocidal maniacs.
2: We call this nonsense.
3: You compare us to ravening mob, out to hang him from a tree for temerity of being male, and upset.
OVR is not the only man suffering from this problem so you people can’t claim that it’s a problem specific to him.
Which problem?
Can’t get a date? No, he’s not. There are lots of people who can’t get dates, male and female. Some of them here, on this board. Some, like MRAL, we’ve tried to help out, raging misogyny notwithstanding.
Or do you mean that he, like some other men thinks he is some special snowflake, entitled to dates and not getting them because women are acting in concert to deny him because he didn’t win the genetic lottery and so can’t compete with the Alphas who get all the pussy?
Women treated him the exact same way when he wasn’t a misogynist you all are treating him now.
At least you admit he is a misogynist now. I’ll wager there wasn’t really a time he wasn’t. It’s probably worse now (certainly he’s developed a rhetorical style that makes it blatantly obvious, right away). I suspect that his actual dislike of women (in whatever forms he has it) shows. I’ll bet that when he thinks he’s being gracious, he’s being patronising. I’ll add that he probably spends a moderate amount of his time explaining how smart he is, which isn’t the best way to make friends an influence people, “show, don’t tell,” is more important in life than in literature.
But I can state, no need to bet, that telling him this won’t do any good. He’s told himself that his views came from his experience, and saying he was, more or less, like this whole time isn’t going to be believed.
Even if we take, at face value, the claim of the false charge of sexual harassment, and that women have never liked him, and he used to be all sweetness and light and genuinely liked women…. it doesn’t excuse the steaming pile of shit he served up here.
He said it, and he has to live with the results of that level of over the top stupidity. Why, one wonders, are you so put out by his getting the, not unreasonable, deserts of his actions?
He said women are trying to wipe out civilisation, and that living under a repressive theocracy which controls every aspect of one’s life has to be better than his being unable to get a date; that it was on a par with systematic genocide.
And you think it’s unfair to mock him.
You’re wrong.
From the Cambodian constitution of 1976:
Article 13 There must be complete equality among all Kampuchean people in an equal, just, democratic, harmonious, and
happy society within the great national solidarity for defending and building the country together.
Men and women are fully equal in every respect.
Polygamy is prohibited.
Two minutes with a Web connection and a brain will tell you that women and men in Cambodia are not equal, Traducer. Only 6% of the female workforce is paid and 16% of girls get a secondary school education, for a start.
Also, in my two minute factfinding mission I noticed a Cambodian proverb: “Boys are gems, girls are cotton”, which apparently means that girls who sin (the implication was sexually) are stained and impure forever but boys can regain purity. It sounds rather familiar.
This was Pol Pot’s constitution.
And…?
This is nothing more than these men being particularly unhappy that their lifestyle doesn’t attract women. Here is a great idea…you can’t change other people but you can change yourself. If you want to attract women you have to be attractive to them.
The flip side to this is women that blame men for them being single. If you want to get a boyfriend or a husband or even just a date…you have to make yourself attractive to men.
These men are just whining on and on about “why women won’t fuck me”. Man is it pathetic. The best advice one can give them is “get off your ass, find out what attracts women you like…then try and be more like that” And it really isn’t all that difficult since most women find similar traits attractive. (pareto principle). Most of the time all you have to do is be confident, don’t be clingy, have a mindset of “I can walk away at any time if I want” and be groomed. Voila! You just did 80% of the work.
If you don’t want to do the work to attract someone you want, then don’t complain about it. You made the choice that living a particular lifestyle was more important than attracting someone.
So because Pol Pot wrote something about equality, all feminists are genocidal. Good to know.
yzekHave a laugh. I’m outta here.
I call shenanigans. You were never here to start with. It’s possible you are a lurker, and chose to be so offended that you had to make a statement, but I don’t believe it.
You came to make a statement but didn’t have the courage of Bill, who at least chose to own his words. You… you came in to claim the nerd mantle, and then use it as a pedestal to mount your high horse and claim the people here were making fun of “‘angry dudes’ who have valid points to be angry,” (and why the scare quotes, do you think they aren’t angry?).
So go, ride off in search of the moral high ground, but look at what you are defending, a guy (singular) who is saying his inability to get a partner is a sign of the concentrated efforts of women to end civilisation.
Why shouldn’t that sort of comment get laughed at?
I find this an odd conclusion.
@TheTraducer: So what was your point, then?
“that their lifestyle doesn’t attract women”
Brandon, did you ingore all previous comments? It’s not about their lifestyle, because there are succesful nerds out there.
I thought you left, yzek.
I actually don’t think you’re entirely wrong. Not entirely. Regardless of gender, if you’re having trouble forming romantic/sexual relationships with people based on mutual attraction… you probably need to do a bit of self-reflection and analysis. I disagree that a “particular lifestyle” specifically nerdiness and geekiness -however they’re being defined- is inherently an impediment to dating.
I don’t think that OVR’s problem is that he’s a nerd. His problem is that he’s OVR.
Bereznak was in fact NOT selecting against intelligence. She said she thought she was getting a standard financial guy, that is, someone good with numbers therefore at least math-intelligent, and probably well-paid.
When she found out he was geeky, she snarked, no thanks, don’t care for geeks.
She wasn’t rejecting his intelligence at all.
If she automagiced herself into the presidency, she would still be limited by A: the huge numbers of laws preventing genociding her own people and B: the fact that nobody wants to genocide men at all actually. Even dictators are somewhat constrained by what the people want, and making 50% of your population, at bare minimum, enter a state of guerilla warfare against you is one of those constraints. You need a fantasy world for Mary Daly-style idiocy to ever be enacted.
It’s obviously you who has no grasp of twentieth century history if you think genocide can’t happen. As if a bunch a laws are going to stop anyone. And there is no need to have to support of 50% of the population.
Mention of Pol Pot in a feminist context made me wonder if, as a Marxist, Pol Pot was a nominal feminist. Just idle curiosity, I guess.
If someone decides that “living a particular lifestyle” is indeed more important than attracting a partner, well, good for them. The problem comes if they then whine about not having a partner, particularly as very few lifestyles except incarceration and the deliberate cultivation of scabies mites are actually much of a bar to attracting one.
When she found out he was geeky, she snarked, no thanks, don’t care for geeks.
No she didn’t. She wrote a weird narcissistic screed it on a bunch of high-traffic blogs.
Yeah. You know what else seems like a poor grasp of twentieth century history? Equating the mass murder of millions of people to having your dick in the sand.
Bereznak wrote her blog on one site only. Also, Mary Daly is dead, and not up for any elections that I know of.
Yeah. You know what else seems like a poor grasp of twentieth century history? Equating the mass murder of millions of people to having your dick in the sand.
I didn’t say that.
Bereznak wrote her blog on one site only.
Wrong again. She wrote it at least on both Gizmode and Jezebel.
It was cruel of Bereznak to publish an article naming the guy and making fun of him.
But it was not cruel of her to not sleep with him. That’s just her choice, and any alternative to letting her make that choice is… a whole lot uglier.