There needs to be a Manboobz Addendum to Godwin’s Law to cover those who compare their lack of dating success to, you know, genocide. You may recall the charming Tumblr dude who equated dateless “nice guys” with persecuted Jews in Nazi Germany.
And now we have “white and nerdy,” the blogger behind Omega Virgin Revolt taking the datelessness=genocide thing a step or two further. As you might guess from the title of his blog, WAN doesn’t exactly have women beating a path to his door. Not even golddiggers, even though he is, he says, “a widly successful owner of my own business.” Women don’t even want to use him for his money? Why is that? Because he is not a — wait for it – “alpha” man.
Yep, it’s the same old dopey logic we’ve seen so, so many times before: Women won’t date me => therefore I’m not an alpha => therefore women won’t date anyone but alphas. WAN has added one more step to this illogical logic chaim: this makes them the equivalent of genocidal monstere:
The ideology that women act on is the ideology of Pol Pot, of the Killing Fields. Women want non-alpha men purged and intelligence is considered by women to be a lack of alphaness in a man. This is similar to the ideology that led to the killing fields. Many of the millions who were murdered by the Khmer Rouge in the Killing Fields were murdered for showing signs of intelligence. That included everything from education to the possesion of wristwatches and/or glasses. If modern geeky hobbies had existed in Cambodia in the 70s, I’m sure that would have been included along with wristwatches and glasses as evidence of intelligence, and anyone interested in geeky hobbies would have been murdered too.
He’s making a could-not-possibly-be-more-strained reference to the whole Alyssa Bereznak/Jon Finkel kerfuffle. Bereznak, as most of you probably already know, wrote a sort of snarky, sort of stupid piece for Gizmodo about her date with Finkel, a champion Magic the Gathering player, and said some mean things about him and his geeky hobby. Pol Pot engineered the deaths of roughly 2 million people, many of them urban dwellers and intellectuals forced to relocate to collective farms in the countryside. Many died of starvation; others were shot – or beaten to death, in order to save on bullets.
So, yeah, Bereznak and Pol Pot are pretty much identical.
WAN continues:
[T] ideology of what women are doing now and what Pol Pot did are very similar. The Killing Fields needed to be opposed for both moral and practical reasons and so must what women are doing now. Rebel at The Spearhead said that women are engaged in a “holy crusade” against men. … The Khmer Rouge was also on a “holy crusade”. As Rebel also said what is at stake is nothing less than civilization itself and your existence and freedom just as it was with the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia.
In an earlier post pretty much making the identical, er, “argument,” WAN takes aim at comedian Julie Klausner, who recently published a memoir called I Don’t Care About Your Band: What I Learned from Indie Rockers, Trust Funders, Pornographers, Faux Sensitive Hipsters, Felons and Others. In her book, and in some interviews about the book, Klausner made some unflattering comments about “beta males” and “immature” men. This sends WAN into a rage:
Hitler, Stalin, Mao, or Pol Pot would be proud of this cunt. She all but calls for concentration camps for her “useless beta inferior men” who secretly run the world. …
Ah, classic weasel words: “All but calls for.” In other words, she doesn’t actually call for concentration camps, or even rock ‘n’ roll fantasy camps, for men in any way shape or form. Never mind. WAN continues:
Somehow these “straight angry nerds” who are “useless and inferior” took over the world when no one was looking and this cunt says “something needs to be done” about this “epidemic”.
This type of thinking is widespread among women. …
[I]t’s no surprise that a lot of men are saying they think they would be better off with the Taliban running things. While I’m not sure that isn’t just trading one set of problems for another … I understand what these men are thinking. Anything has got to be better than this.
So: Nerdy men are “oppressed” by women who won’t date them. The solution to this imaginary oppression: oppress women for real.
I couldn’t make this shit up.
Nobody is mocking nerds here. Nearly everyone is proudly claiming the nerd label. But don’t let that spoil your flounce, sunshine!
“Nobody is mocking nerds here.”
O yeah, I’m happy not to be the last one in pecking order, thankyouverymuch.
@ozymandias42 wrote:
” Loneliness is awful, but the only way to prevent some people from being lonely is rape, which is hardly optimal either.”
Interesting. Rape is a solution for loneliness. Not optimal, but still a solution.
If ozymandias42 a feminist or an MRA ?
This blog is getting weirder and weirder.
Hurrah! Flounce 1, 50 minutes.
What “valid point to be angry”, and let’s just pretend that’s in any way grammatical, does OVS have?
PS when some guys rejected me in the past it was EXACTLY like the Permian-Triassic extinction event
Interesting. Rape is a solution for loneliness. Not optimal, but still a solution.
If ozymandias42 a feminist or an MRA ?
This blog is getting weirder and weirder.
Reading comprehension much? In context she’s clearly opposed to rape.
“PS when some guys rejected me in the past it was EXACTLY like the Permian-Triassic extinction event”
But what do you think would happen if someone like Mary Daly somehow managed to grab power and instituted a feminist dictatorship ?
What do you think of quotes like ” “If life is to survive on this planet, there must be a decontamination of the Earth. I think this will be accompanied by an evolutionary process that will result in a drastic reduction of the population of males.”
Explain myself? What for, another “flounce” comment and language skill criticism?
“Reading comprehension much? In context she’s clearly opposed to rape.”
Saying something might help but is not optimal is being clearly opposed ? No it’s not.
But what do you think would happen if someone like Mary Daly somehow managed to grab power and instituted a feminist dictatorship ?
Um, I don’t know, cupcakes would rain from the sky because this is obviously counterfactual and she’s a marginal figure? Because, having been called on your bullshit, it’s obvious that by now you’re reaching, hardcore?
Saying something might help but is not optimal is being clearly opposed ? No it’s not.
Are you familiar with the term “context”? You can visit her blogs (she has 2) and read aaaaall about her positions on a number of issues, which will add depth to your point of view of what she says at any particular moment, allowing you to tell the difference between her position and what we in the biz call “sarcasm.”
Oh, oh, oh (raising hand)! I have an answer for OVR. It’s because you haven’t actually changed as a person. See, your reaction to one woman allegedly making a false sexual harassment complaint against you is to despise ALL women. Your reaction to some women rejecting you sexually is to think that ALL women are pieces of garbage. So the nastiness was already there in your personality before you became a misogynist. In fact, my guess is that you were always a misogynist. You just wore the Nice Guy mask and hid it.
Now give me my cookie.
Specifically, ozy was using litotes, sarcastic understatement particularly if expressed by negating an opposite to the intended meaning – as in “Yzek would not win any awards for making sense”.
I love rhetorical terms. Tapinosis is my favourite. It’s the use of derogatory diction, like “Oooooo! TapinOsis!”
Um, I don’t know, cupcakes would rain from the sky because this is obviously counterfactual
Of course it’s counterfactual. Good thing too. I just want to show that it’s reasonable that some people would be wary of giving feminists, or any vague hate group for that matter, too much power.
she’s a marginal figure
Not as marginal as the MRA’s you bash all the time. You can bash MRA’s, but I cannot bash a somewhat less marginal feminist ?
Because, having been called on your bullshit
What bullshit ?
“Specifically, ozy was using litotes, sarcastic understatement particularly if expressed by negating an opposite to the intended meaning – as in “Yzek would not win any awards for making sense”.
I love rhetorical terms. Tapinosis is my favourite. It’s the use of derogatory diction, like “Oooooo! TapinOsis!”
The MRA’s are using lilotes and Tapinosis too.
Nobody said that you couldn’t bash Mary Daly. Bash away. But don’t use a ludicrous hypothetical in which she installs a feminist dictatorship as a counterpoint to OVR’s actual claim that women not sleeping him is equivalent to genocide.
That’s nothing but a trite diversionary tactic that adds nothing of value to the discussion. And it’s silly.
I took his challenge and I am fairly sure he will proceed to claim it is all women’s fault for us being awful awful people and he is the epitome of perfection that women should be throwing themselves at.
Which based on his posts and my own personal experience, it is him not us. And it has to be really out there because the Best Friend is pretty much as much of an emotionless uncontrollable ass as you can be and he still gets women falling in love with him. Well as long as you ignore the vast number of faults he has. 🙂
What bullshit ?
The part where you try to imply that Ozy’s in favor of rape.
The MRA’s are using lilotes…
Examples of carefully-constructed understatement:
Saying that not going out with a dude = killing one fifth of the inhabitants of Cambodia (“white and nerdy,” above)
Calling for the extermination of almost all women, the extra-super-sweetest to be kept as slaves for powerful men (DKM)
Claiming that the only way for the conflict between the genders to cease is to move men to one side of the Mississippi, women to the other, fulfill all our romantic needs in VR, and replace bearing children with cloning and artificial womb technology. (Anthony Zarat)
Huh. I’m not really seeing it here.
The part where you try to imply that Ozy’s in favor of rape.
And therefore, of course, that we’re all awful, awful people.
But nerds are awesome! I’d say this guy has set his standards waaaaay too high and is upset that the perfect blonde Swedish girl is not interested in him and his self owned business. Although it could be that he’s completely off the wall either.
Why, thanks, Joanna! 🙂 I tend to agree that these guys who claim that women pay no attention to them really mean that “high-status” (whatever that might mean) women are uninterested in them. Despite what they say, I don’t believe that the OV’s are really pursuing companionship or even sexual gratification… I think they’re really after the status they would get from being in the company of a conventionally beautiful woman, and are frustrated that they can’t. I.e. the OV’s real lament is that he can’t compete with other men (so you get the endless whining about “alphas”).
We said he was an asshole for comparing genocide to being dateless.
We only say this about the jackasses who want to lower age of consent laws past 14.
No, but it’s pretty rare to compare the khmer rouge to your dry spell.
Protip: Nobody here gives a fuck that he is dateless.
No, no it isn’t. I’ve been a gay friend; that’s where people actually *ARE* bigotted, but say they can’t be! They have a gay friend!
Being dateless is partially the fault of nerds, for reasons I’ve already explained. It’s partially not. But you’re not dateless solely because you’re nerds. That status just doesn’t carry that much weight past high school. It’s a combination of driving women out of your spaces (Except, I’m told, academic nerds; not sure I believe it). You’re also dateless because some women are jerks to nerds. You’re also dateless because you didn’t learn the rules of interaction for dating that normal people silently judge by (I’m not framing this as special to guys; I don’t know them either.), the latter of which is probably the biggest obstacle against dating non-nerds.
If she automagiced herself into the presidency, she would still be limited by A: the huge numbers of laws preventing genociding her own people and B: the fact that nobody wants to genocide men at all actually. Even dictators are somewhat constrained by what the people want, and making 50% of your population, at bare minimum, enter a state of guerilla warfare against you is one of those constraints. You need a fantasy world for Mary Daly-style idiocy to ever be enacted.
Why do you asshats have to suck at history?
Don’t use words you don’t understand, it’s embarrassing.
Don’t compare the feminist movement to the MRA mvoement in saying it’s a ‘vague hate group’. Some feminists are hateful, yes. But even they at least are actually oppressed for their gender; However stupid and over the top I consider it in comparison, those particular, feminists, marginalized even amongst their own, are still closer to the black panther movement than the MRA movement, because the black panther movement was *correct* that there was discrimination against them, and that they were continually being failed by the system at large.
The majority of the feminist movement, which you would know if you had any fucking clue whatsoever, are activists that enact legislation to promote equality. Now, that means helping women more than men, because you know, women are worse off. But ultimately, we want to change things to be better for dudes too, both directly and indirectly, at least in most ways. The closest you can come to saying that most of us are hateful is that we won’t shed a tear when men lose the unfair advantages society places on them. And yes, as scant and scarce as female privilege is, we’d like to end that too (Especially since most of it is detritus that accidentally benefits women, when it’s not just men assuming something thatsucks is actually an advantage).
And finally, if you know it’s utterly impossible, you should probably not compare it to what *actually happened*, which is a dude comparing his datelessness to an atrocity which killed millions.