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Gödwindämmerung: Women who won’t date nerds are like Pol Pot

Note to angry dudes: Women not wanting to date you is not the equivalent of this.

There needs to be a Manboobz Addendum to Godwin’s Law to cover those who compare their lack of dating success to, you know, genocide. You may recall the charming Tumblr dude who equated dateless “nice guys” with persecuted Jews in Nazi Germany.

And now we have “white and nerdy,” the blogger behind Omega Virgin Revolt taking the datelessness=genocide thing a step or two further. As you might guess from the title of his blog, WAN doesn’t exactly have women beating a path to his door. Not even golddiggers, even though he is, he says, “a widly successful owner of my own business.” Women don’t even want to use him for his money? Why is that? Because he is not a — wait for it – “alpha” man.

Yep, it’s the same old dopey logic we’ve seen so, so many times before: Women won’t date me => therefore I’m not an alpha => therefore women won’t date anyone but alphas. WAN has added one more step to this illogical logic chaim: this makes them the equivalent of genocidal monstere:

The ideology that women act on is the ideology of Pol Pot, of the Killing Fields.  Women want non-alpha men purged and intelligence is considered by women to be a lack of alphaness in a man.  This is similar to the ideology that led to the killing fields.  Many of the millions who were murdered by the Khmer Rouge in the Killing Fields were murdered for showing signs of intelligence.  That included everything from education to the possesion of wristwatches and/or glasses.  If modern geeky hobbies had existed in Cambodia in the 70s, I’m sure that would have been included along with wristwatches and glasses as evidence of intelligence, and anyone interested in geeky hobbies would have been murdered too.

He’s making a could-not-possibly-be-more-strained reference to the whole Alyssa Bereznak/Jon Finkel kerfuffle. Bereznak, as most of you probably already know, wrote a sort of snarky, sort of stupid piece for Gizmodo about her date with Finkel, a champion Magic the Gathering player, and said some mean things about him and his geeky hobby. Pol Pot engineered the deaths of roughly 2 million people, many of them urban dwellers and intellectuals forced to relocate to collective farms in the countryside. Many died of starvation; others were shot – or beaten to death, in order to save on bullets.

So, yeah, Bereznak and Pol Pot are pretty much identical.

WAN continues:

[T] ideology of what women are doing now and what Pol Pot did are very similar.  The Killing Fields needed to be opposed for both moral and practical reasons and so must what women are doing now.  Rebel at The Spearhead said that women are engaged in a “holy crusade” against men. … The Khmer Rouge was also on a “holy crusade”.  As Rebel also said what is at stake is nothing less than civilization itself and your existence and freedom just as it was with the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia.

In an earlier post pretty much making the identical, er, “argument,” WAN takes aim at comedian Julie Klausner, who recently published a memoir called I Don’t Care About Your Band: What I Learned from Indie Rockers, Trust Funders, Pornographers, Faux Sensitive Hipsters, Felons and Others. In her book, and in some interviews about the book, Klausner made some unflattering comments about “beta males” and “immature” men. This sends WAN into a rage:

Hitler, Stalin, Mao, or Pol Pot would be proud of this cunt.  She all but calls for concentration camps for her “useless beta inferior men” who secretly run the world.  … 

Ah, classic weasel words: “All but calls for.” In other words, she doesn’t actually call for concentration camps, or even rock ‘n’ roll fantasy camps, for men in any way shape or form. Never mind. WAN continues:

Somehow these “straight angry nerds” who are “useless and inferior” took over the world when no one was looking and this cunt says “something needs to be done” about this “epidemic”.

This type of thinking is widespread among women.  …

[I]t’s no surprise that a lot of men are saying they think they would be better off with the Taliban running things.  While I’m not sure that isn’t just trading one set of problems for another … I understand what these men are thinking.  Anything has got to be better than this.

So: Nerdy men are “oppressed” by women who won’t date them. The solution to this imaginary oppression: oppress women for real.

I couldn’t make this shit up.

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Leo Salloum
Leo Salloum
9 years ago

I can’t help but marvel at the complaint that nerdy guys can’t get laid. I know a lot of nerds, in fact I don’t think know any guys who aren’t somewhere on the nerd spectrum. Except for the ones that are married, my nerdy friends and I tend to find women and men to sleep with on a pretty steady (say two or three new partners per year) basis.

I wonder if there is an age thing going on here. I can acknowledge, for example, that I had much less luck in my early twenties then in my late twenties and early thirties.

The only other explanation I can think of is that perhaps these complainers are chasing utterly the wrong women. I have never spent much time dating or trying to date men or women who would be described as ‘mainstream’ or ‘average’ — since I am an eccentric and nerdy outsider type, I tend to gravitate towards people in similarly marginal social spaces.

Maybe if I wanted to date the minidress-club-dancing or cute-waitress or receptionist-from-work-who-wears-lowcut-shirts type of girls, then I would also be frustrated. But wouldn’t guys like OVS prefer women with whom he had something in common? Strange nerdy women who happen to be extremely physically attractive are not difficult to find.

Maybe it’s a question of filtering potential partners in the wrong order. If you filter first for people that you want to have a conversation with, and then filter for attractive people, you’ll do a lot better. If you filter first for attractive bodies, and then try to connect with them, you will often find yourself in boring or unpleasant situations.

My hypotheses above may all be wrong, of course. The one thing I know is that I am a nerdy guy who has no trouble getting women. I also have no trouble sleeping with dudes, mostly I sleep with guys as nerdy as me, and (unless they’re gay) they tend to get a lot of action as well. So, working from the anecdotal data set I have, it is very difficult to draw a conclusion that nerdy guys can’t get laid. I just want to get that on the record.

kristinmh
kristinmh
9 years ago

Dammit, WordPress ate my extremely witty and cogent comment!

Anyway, what VoIP said:

2 million may sound comparatively small, but Cambodia’s not a big place: per capita, the Cambodian genocide remains the worst in history, with one fifth of the population dead.

makes me think, “Gee, that really puts my own problems in perspective” and I feel sort of ashamed for getting so worked up about the cost of kitchen cabinets or whatever. Do MRAs think that too? Or do they say, “Yeah! And we can’t get laid! TO THE BARRICADES!”

And whoever was complaining that we’re bigots for calling men who can’t get laid psychologically disturbed, potential murderers, and pedophiles, I’d like to point out that whenever we’ve used those terms they have been amply justified by the insultee’s statements. Yeah, we did call Juan a pedophile, but only after he wrote screeds justifying pedophilia and posted extremely skeevy images. And I defy anyone to read Samuel’s posts on the “If at first you don’t succeed…” thread (the delusions about sperm, the confusion between consensual sex and rape, him freaking out because no one answered him quickly enough, him ASKING ME TO CHANGE MY AVATAR BECAUSE I’M TOO HOT, etc) and NOT think he’s psychologically disturbed.

Honestly, I can’t speak for everyone, but I couldn’t be less interested in the sex lives of people who aren’t me, especially angry people who seem to hate me for no good reason. I would never make fun of someone for not having a partner if they wanted one, because I know how painful that is. So I don’t!

I concentrate on the ridiculous, factually incorrect, and morally vile things you guys say instead.

Pecunium
9 years ago

Bill: Lynch mob? This phrase, you don’t understand it.

Let’s break this down.

1: OVR compares women to genocidal maniacs.
2: We call this nonsense.
3: You compare us to ravening mob, out to hang him from a tree for temerity of being male, and upset.

OVR is not the only man suffering from this problem so you people can’t claim that it’s a problem specific to him.

Which problem?

Can’t get a date? No, he’s not. There are lots of people who can’t get dates, male and female. Some of them here, on this board. Some, like MRAL, we’ve tried to help out, raging misogyny notwithstanding.

Or do you mean that he, like some other men thinks he is some special snowflake, entitled to dates and not getting them because women are acting in concert to deny him because he didn’t win the genetic lottery and so can’t compete with the Alphas who get all the pussy?

Women treated him the exact same way when he wasn’t a misogynist you all are treating him now.

At least you admit he is a misogynist now. I’ll wager there wasn’t really a time he wasn’t. It’s probably worse now (certainly he’s developed a rhetorical style that makes it blatantly obvious, right away). I suspect that his actual dislike of women (in whatever forms he has it) shows. I’ll bet that when he thinks he’s being gracious, he’s being patronising. I’ll add that he probably spends a moderate amount of his time explaining how smart he is, which isn’t the best way to make friends an influence people, “show, don’t tell,” is more important in life than in literature.

But I can state, no need to bet, that telling him this won’t do any good. He’s told himself that his views came from his experience, and saying he was, more or less, like this whole time isn’t going to be believed.

Even if we take, at face value, the claim of the false charge of sexual harassment, and that women have never liked him, and he used to be all sweetness and light and genuinely liked women…. it doesn’t excuse the steaming pile of shit he served up here.

He said it, and he has to live with the results of that level of over the top stupidity. Why, one wonders, are you so put out by his getting the, not unreasonable, deserts of his actions?

He said women are trying to wipe out civilisation, and that living under a repressive theocracy which controls every aspect of one’s life has to be better than his being unable to get a date; that it was on a par with systematic genocide.

And you think it’s unfair to mock him.

You’re wrong.

TheTraducer
TheTraducer
9 years ago

From the Cambodian constitution of 1976:

Article 13 There must be complete equality among all Kampuchean people in an equal, just, democratic, harmonious, and
happy society within the great national solidarity for defending and building the country together.

Men and women are fully equal in every respect.

Polygamy is prohibited.

MissPrism
9 years ago

Two minutes with a Web connection and a brain will tell you that women and men in Cambodia are not equal, Traducer. Only 6% of the female workforce is paid and 16% of girls get a secondary school education, for a start.

Also, in my two minute factfinding mission I noticed a Cambodian proverb: “Boys are gems, girls are cotton”, which apparently means that girls who sin (the implication was sexually) are stained and impure forever but boys can regain purity. It sounds rather familiar.

TheTraducer
TheTraducer
9 years ago

This was Pol Pot’s constitution.

Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
9 years ago

This was Pol Pot’s constitution.

And…?

Brandon
Brandon
9 years ago

This is nothing more than these men being particularly unhappy that their lifestyle doesn’t attract women. Here is a great idea…you can’t change other people but you can change yourself. If you want to attract women you have to be attractive to them.

The flip side to this is women that blame men for them being single. If you want to get a boyfriend or a husband or even just a date…you have to make yourself attractive to men.

These men are just whining on and on about “why women won’t fuck me”. Man is it pathetic. The best advice one can give them is “get off your ass, find out what attracts women you like…then try and be more like that” And it really isn’t all that difficult since most women find similar traits attractive. (pareto principle). Most of the time all you have to do is be confident, don’t be clingy, have a mindset of “I can walk away at any time if I want” and be groomed. Voila! You just did 80% of the work.

If you don’t want to do the work to attract someone you want, then don’t complain about it. You made the choice that living a particular lifestyle was more important than attracting someone.

Bostonian
Bostonian
9 years ago

So because Pol Pot wrote something about equality, all feminists are genocidal. Good to know.

Pecunium
9 years ago

yzekHave a laugh. I’m outta here.

I call shenanigans. You were never here to start with. It’s possible you are a lurker, and chose to be so offended that you had to make a statement, but I don’t believe it.

You came to make a statement but didn’t have the courage of Bill, who at least chose to own his words. You… you came in to claim the nerd mantle, and then use it as a pedestal to mount your high horse and claim the people here were making fun of “‘angry dudes’ who have valid points to be angry,” (and why the scare quotes, do you think they aren’t angry?).

So go, ride off in search of the moral high ground, but look at what you are defending, a guy (singular) who is saying his inability to get a partner is a sign of the concentrated efforts of women to end civilisation.

Why shouldn’t that sort of comment get laughed at?

TheTraducer
TheTraducer
9 years ago

So because Pol Pot wrote something about equality, all feminists are genocidal. Good to know.

I find this an odd conclusion.

NullPointer
NullPointer
9 years ago

@TheTraducer: So what was your point, then?

yzek
yzek
9 years ago

“that their lifestyle doesn’t attract women”

Brandon, did you ingore all previous comments? It’s not about their lifestyle, because there are succesful nerds out there.

Lauralot
Lauralot
9 years ago

I thought you left, yzek.

Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
9 years ago

You made the choice that living a particular lifestyle was more important than attracting someone.

I actually don’t think you’re entirely wrong. Not entirely. Regardless of gender, if you’re having trouble forming romantic/sexual relationships with people based on mutual attraction… you probably need to do a bit of self-reflection and analysis. I disagree that a “particular lifestyle” specifically nerdiness and geekiness -however they’re being defined- is inherently an impediment to dating.

I don’t think that OVR’s problem is that he’s a nerd. His problem is that he’s OVR.

oldfeminist
9 years ago

Bereznak was in fact NOT selecting against intelligence. She said she thought she was getting a standard financial guy, that is, someone good with numbers therefore at least math-intelligent, and probably well-paid.

When she found out he was geeky, she snarked, no thanks, don’t care for geeks.

She wasn’t rejecting his intelligence at all.

luke123
luke123
9 years ago

If she automagiced herself into the presidency, she would still be limited by A: the huge numbers of laws preventing genociding her own people and B: the fact that nobody wants to genocide men at all actually. Even dictators are somewhat constrained by what the people want, and making 50% of your population, at bare minimum, enter a state of guerilla warfare against you is one of those constraints. You need a fantasy world for Mary Daly-style idiocy to ever be enacted.

It’s obviously you who has no grasp of twentieth century history if you think genocide can’t happen. As if a bunch a laws are going to stop anyone. And there is no need to have to support of 50% of the population.

TheTraducer
TheTraducer
9 years ago

@TheTraducer: So what was your point, then?

Mention of Pol Pot in a feminist context made me wonder if, as a Marxist, Pol Pot was a nominal feminist. Just idle curiosity, I guess.

MissPrism
9 years ago

If someone decides that “living a particular lifestyle” is indeed more important than attracting a partner, well, good for them. The problem comes if they then whine about not having a partner, particularly as very few lifestyles except incarceration and the deliberate cultivation of scabies mites are actually much of a bar to attracting one.

luke123
luke123
9 years ago

When she found out he was geeky, she snarked, no thanks, don’t care for geeks.

No she didn’t. She wrote a weird narcissistic screed it on a bunch of high-traffic blogs.

Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
9 years ago

It’s obviously you who has no grasp of twentieth century history if you think genocide can’t happen.

Yeah. You know what else seems like a poor grasp of twentieth century history? Equating the mass murder of millions of people to having your dick in the sand.

Bostonian
Bostonian
9 years ago

Bereznak wrote her blog on one site only. Also, Mary Daly is dead, and not up for any elections that I know of.

luke123
luke123
9 years ago

Yeah. You know what else seems like a poor grasp of twentieth century history? Equating the mass murder of millions of people to having your dick in the sand.

I didn’t say that.

luke123
luke123
9 years ago

Bereznak wrote her blog on one site only.

Wrong again. She wrote it at least on both Gizmode and Jezebel.

Holly Pervocracy
9 years ago

It was cruel of Bereznak to publish an article naming the guy and making fun of him.

But it was not cruel of her to not sleep with him. That’s just her choice, and any alternative to letting her make that choice is… a whole lot uglier.

Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
9 years ago

No, luke123, you didn’t say that. OVR said that.

That’s what he actually said; his not getting laid is equivalent to genocide. And for some reason, you’re here defending that statement by using the hypothetical gender cleansing of the nonexistant Daly-led feminist dictatorship and complaining about what Bereznak wrote.

Since you know all about genocide in the 20th century (where is VoiP?) perhaps you’d like to acknowledge that what OVR said, as quoted by the original post is just a bit… hyperbolic? Give me hyperbolic.

yzek
yzek
9 years ago

“I thought you left, yzek.”

It’s magical power of question marks addressed to me keeping me there, but don’t worry, I have a flask of +10 Willpower potion somewhere…

The last one I have to dodge: I don’t care about OVR. Your comments already drifted so much from original context, but suddenly it’s ALL about him. And everybody who claims nerdiness itself is handicap MUST be just like him or his supporter, because my friends are nerds and all are doing well.

(And please forgive my English: I olny write technical stuff on daily basis. Sorry.)

Hengist
Hengist
9 years ago

Regarding the “nerds can get girls/being a nerd is no impediment to dating” comment, I’d say yes and no.

First, I absolutely agree with Leo Salloum that the whole process is much easier and less painful if you select for people you’re compatible with first, and looks second. Looking for somebody who shares your interests and your world view just seems like common sense, really. But*:

1) Nerd circles, at least where I am, are very much male-dominated. Nerd girls are still comparably rare, I’d say the male/female nerd ratio is 5:1 easily.

2) Nerd culture, surprisingly enough, functions much like its parent culture. In my experience there is always the “alpha nerd” who is the de facto leader of his particular group, maybe he’s the smartest, the most successful, the best D&D player, the most knowledgeable about Monty Python trivia, maybe he’s the only one who has a car or something, or maybe he’s just the most outgoing and dominant, and he’s the one who gets the girls.

Which when you think about it, it says that it’s not about being a nerd or not, it still comes down to being confident and being good at something, standing out in some (positive) way.

So what’s my point? You shouldn’t worry about being a “nerd” or any other stupid label, just look at who you are as a person, think of who you want to attract and why you’re succeeding/not succeeding at attracting them, then you’ve got a plan.

*BTW, I’m talking about real nerds here, not people who call themselves nerds while ironically wearing oversized glasses and Star Wars t-shirts because it’s “trendy” and “cool”, people who are often party-goers and are actually popular. Although I guess most of this stuff applies to them as well.

Pecunium
9 years ago

luke123: There are two issues, and the one is what you pretend you were talking about now. The other is what you asked.

If Mary Daly “suddenly became president” is what you asked. You admitted it was counterfactual. In that one she is suddenly president and tries to wipe out men.

Not at all possible.

The other, which you are trying to argue now is that a wave of violent misandry takes active political action, a la Hitler (Pol Pot is a crappy example, because he needed two revolutionary gov’ts nearby, and having the US bomb the shit of of Cambodia to take power), and turns a campaigning tactic (anti-semitism for Hitler, anti-men for the mythical exterminationist feminist party) into policy.

And while genocides have taken place, they have been against identifiable others. Men are not such an other. It’s not against an outgroup, or a smallish segment of the population (and the Khmer Rouge didn’t set out to exterminate 20 percent of Cambodia, all those other factors I mentioned combined to cause it to snowball).

So arguing that such a thing as a “gendercide” is possible isn’t believable, even in the context of modern genocides.

Rutee Katreya
9 years ago

It’s obviously you who has no grasp of twentieth century history if you think genocide can’t happen. As if a bunch a laws are going to stop anyone. And there is no need to have to support of 50% of the population.

Can you read for comprehension? I said you can’t genocide the cultural, economic, social, and political majority of your own country. Even in a dictatorship they wield too much power for that to be possible.

Now, what Dictator Daly could do would be to enact actual misandristic laws, which would be a novel thing for the world in general, and she could slowly begin to disadvantage them, over generations. We might even see it become a mirror of China. Do that long enough and actual genocide would be possible. Of course, absent actual magic Dictator Daly is complete fiction, so I suppose she could use *more magic* to do other impossible things.

Mention of Pol Pot in a feminist context made me wonder if, as a Marxist, Pol Pot was a nominal feminist. Just idle curiosity, I guess.

Why do people like you and Glenn Beck think this actually hides your motives at all?

Sharculese
9 years ago

It’s obviously you who has no grasp of twentieth century history if you think genocide can’t happen. As if a bunch a laws are going to stop anyone. And there is no need to have to support of 50% of the population.

yeah, youre theory of ‘genocides happen just because and its plausible so long as i can imagine it hard enough’ is so rigorous and nuanced.

until you explain the mechanism by which mary daly specifically rises to power in the united states specifically and manages to circumvent the constitution, your theory is pure nonsense.

Captain Bathrobe
Captain Bathrobe
9 years ago

But what do you think would happen if someone like Mary Daly somehow managed to grab power and instituted a feminist dictatorship ?

What I want to know is: what would happen if Andrea Dworkin rose from the dead and bred a mutant army of zombie-manginas using the stolen sperm of Larry Flint? What if she was receiving secret signals from Hitler’s cryogenically preserved brain? What if Richard Simmons was elected Pope and forced all the Cardinals to wear running shorts?

Clearly, feminism if even more of a threat to humanity than we had previously imagined.

luke123
luke123
9 years ago

That’s what he actually said; his not getting laid is equivalent to genocide. And for some reason, you’re here defending that statement by using the hypothetical gender cleansing of the nonexistant Daly-led feminist dictatorship and complaining about what Bereznak wrote.

Since you know all about genocide in the 20th century (where is VoiP?) perhaps you’d like to acknowledge that what OVR said, as quoted by the original post is just a bit… hyperbolic? Give me hyperbolic.

Ok. For the record. I am not speaking for any MRA. I think the whole MRA thing is a hate group too, with reactionary tendencies.

I am not defending what OVR or any MRA said. I am saying that feminism is a hate group.
And a lot of those who are active on the internet are bullies who seem to get off an slamming anyone who is not in their clique.

Bostonian
Bostonian
9 years ago

Jezebel and Gizmodo are basically the same site. She was talked about on many blogs, none that I read approved of her publishing someone’s name, and many made the point that she was being weird about the whole Magic the Gathering thing.

Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
9 years ago

And everybody who claims nerdiness itself is handicap MUST be just like him or his supporter, because my friends are nerds and all are doing well.</blockquote?

Okay, yzek… let's try this. If you're happy in a romantic and, presumably, sexual relationship with your wife. And other posters are saying that they're nerds who don't have trouble having relationships, or that they know lots of nerds in relationships, or that they prefer being in relationships with nerds, then doesn't it stand to reason that "nerdiness itself" is not the handicap to being in relationships?

Doesn't that mean that there have to be other and additional factors? It can't, exclusively, be about "nerdiness" right?

Pecunium
9 years ago

yzek: The last one I have to dodge: I don’t care about OVR. Your comments already drifted so much from original context, but suddenly it’s ALL about him. And everybody who claims nerdiness itself is handicap MUST be just like him or his supporter, because my friends are nerds and all are doing well.

That’s not what was said at all, not in either half of your claim (that it only became about OVR lately, or that being a nerd is no handicap at all).

A significant amount was said about aspects of nerd culture, gamer culture, and geek culture, and why those can be detrimental to women finding the inhabitants of any of those problematic.

It was then being pointed out that it’s not universal, that individual nerds (and more than the popular culture seems to think likely) do just fine. At that point the comparison to OVR, and those who share his complaints comes into play. If they are having troubles, when it’s plainly obvious that they think it’s more like Malcom X trying to date at a Klan rally than a personal problem; and they are going way over the top (see my comments to Bill about his defense of OVPs position).

Conflating those two things isn’t helping your position. Arguing that we weren’t talking about him is incorrect.

I don’t know quite what to make of your excuse for your English. Tech-writing demands a clarity at least as great at that in other realms, because 1: it’s mean to inform, and 2: it’s meant to teach.

Given the arcana of the various subjects (and I’ve read a fair bit of technical writing) I’d expect tech writers to have at least a better than average grasp of the written word. Then again, from the complaints I see from by tech-writing friends, and from those who have to get writers to detail the work they are doing, perhaps the problem is more endemic than I’d like to think.

Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
9 years ago

Stupid blockquote fail:

Okay, yzek… let’s try this. If you’re happy in a romantic and, presumably, sexual relationship with your wife. And other posters are saying that they’re nerds who don’t have trouble having relationships, or that they know lots of nerds in relationships, or that they prefer being in relationships with nerds, then doesn’t it stand to reason that “nerdiness itself” is not the handicap to being in relationships?

Doesn’t that mean that there have to be other and additional factors? It can’t, exclusively, be about “nerdiness” right?

Bostonian
Bostonian
9 years ago

Feminism is a hate group. Gender equality is just like invading Poland and killing huge numbers of people.

Both of those are asinine statements.

Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
9 years ago

I am not defending what OVR or any MRA said. I am saying that feminism is a hate group.
And a lot of those who are active on the internet are bullies who seem to get off an slamming anyone who is not in their clique.

Okay then. You’re not interested in substantive discussion. I understand. I mean, I’d figured as much this morning with the whole Mary Daly thing, but it’s abundantly clear now. That’s fine. I won’t continue to engage your posts on a serious level. It’s mockery from here on in. It’s cool.

Tell you what, right at the top of the page, the site has a title. It’s about mocking misogyny. That’s what we do here. We mock misogny. If that offends your delicate sensibilities, I suggest you go back to you browser and pick some other site.

luke123
luke123
9 years ago

Tell you what, right at the top of the page, the site has a title. It’s about mocking misogyny. That’s what we do here. We mock misogny. If that offends your delicate sensibilities, I suggest you go back to you browser and pick some other site.

If the purpose of your empty life is mocking, surely you shouldn’t get all huffy and butthurt if you’re precious feminism gets mocked back at you.

Brandon
Brandon
9 years ago

@yzek: I didn’t read all of them. Also…you failed to understand this sentence I wrote:

“get off your ass, find out what attracts women you like…then try and be more like that”

Key phase there is “you like”.

@Nobinayamu: I was meaning if you are a shut-in or you are hostile towards women you aren’t really going to attract them. Making a comparison between genocidal regimes and women tends to make women find you unattractive.

This really isn’t about Cambodia, genocide or Pol Pot. It is a bunch of guys not happy with their station in life and instead of taking responsibility for themselves they would rather exaggerate why they think women are so horrible. It’s textbook projection.

Lauralot
Lauralot
9 years ago

Believing that women should be equal to men (and this includes removing the rarer cases of female privilege) and fighting for that = a hate group.

Damn, this has been an informative day.

Captain Bathrobe
Captain Bathrobe
9 years ago

If the purpose of your empty life is mocking, surely you shouldn’t get all huffy and butthurt if you’re precious feminism gets mocked back at you.

But without mockery, all I have is cats and chocolate! Oh, and sex. And my family and my career. And my friends. And everything else I do when I’m not on this blog, which includes a fair amount of mockery, but still.

Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
9 years ago

If the purpose of your empty life is mocking, surely you shouldn’t get all huffy and butthurt if you’re precious feminism gets mocked back at you.

If the purpose of my empty life were mocking, I’d start my own blog to mock misogynists. Or maybe I’d go to a blog full of misogynists and whine about the mean things they say about feminists? Yeah, I’d probably do something like that if my life were empty.

Fortunately, my life is full and I have no problems with people mocking or criticizing feminism. Now are you going to commence with the mockery anytime soon? Or are you just going to keep being a titty-baby who, through his defense of OVR, is basically saying that genocide and blue-balls are the same?

cynickal
cynickal
9 years ago

The alternative is to stop being a lynch mob. Declaring that men who can’t get laid as having psychological problems, or as potential mass murderers, or as pedophiles is pure and simple biogtry.

Reading comprehension is your friend. Try it some time.
Show us where we did any of the above. QFT please.

Pecunium
9 years ago

luke123 If the purpose of your empty life is mocking, surely you shouldn’t get all huffy and butthurt if you’re precious feminism gets mocked back at you.

It might help if you actually mocked it. Posting inane hypotheticals (which depend on a host of unstated assumptions) isn’t mockery. Saying “feminism is a hate group” isn’t mockery.

The one is foolishness, the other is a fact claim.

We’ve shown the first to be stupid, on it’s face, and so the question is more why did you present it?

Based on the follow up the logical answer is you thought it helped prove the second.

But the unstate assumptions of the first destroy it in the service of the second. Question… if you believe the MRAs are hate groups, why do you defend them? Saying that OVR has a point… if an impossible thing happens, isn’t exactly making it seem you disagree with his core message.

And it’s his core message we are arguing, he says he can’t get laid because women hate men. That’s his argument. They are “working to destroy civilisation”, in the same way as your stupid Mary Daly idea would be. So you are arguing in concert with a group you say is a hate group.

Why?

Lauralot
Lauralot
9 years ago

Did we just essentially get called fat, caddy bitches who sit around making fun of the men because we can’t get laid?

Eh, I’d rather be a caddy bitch than someone who thinks datelessness is the same as genocide.

Rutee Katreya
9 years ago

If the purpose of your empty life

Projector Shields: not actually as cool as deflector shields.

Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
9 years ago

Did we just essentially get called fat, caddy bitches who sit around making fun of the men because we can’t get laid?

You gotta admit, though, if it were even remotely true that would be one hell of a burn. luke123 is on a roll.

MissPrism
9 years ago

If you are saying things like “feminism is a hate group” and getting laughed at, lukewarmiq, you are not the mocker in this interaction! You are the mockee.