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Alcuin in Wonderland

The Intellectual Renaissance of Western Patriarchy: One big sandwich joke.

At first glance, Alcuin’s blog would seem to be some sort of parody. The blog’s slogan – “Promoting the Intellectual Renaissance of Western Patriarchy” – seems so over-the-top pretentious that even the smuggest of would-be intellectuals wouldn’t be able to post it with a straight face.

But if Alcuin is a troll, he’s a dedicated one, and one (at least based on my less-than-exhaustive survey of his blog) who never seems to break character.  So I’m assuming he’s real. Which makes him a pompous ass with a lot of irritating ideas he’s somehow convinced himself are new and interesting. Take (please!) his recent post “Back Where They Belong.” And yes, “they” mean who you think, and “where they belong” means where you think.

Men should run the government, business, education, and religion. Women should stay at home. Young unmarried women can briefly work as kindergarten and elementary teachers, but there are no reasons why men can’t usually do this as well.

I’m not sure if Alcuin understands that women actually hold most of the jobs that currently exist, and that removing virtually all of them from the workplace would cause the economy to implode like, well, Alcuin, if you suddenly removed all of his idiocy. Also, how many kindergarten teachers do we really need?

As long as women run things, men will continue to be sidelined and slandered because feminism is a zero-sum movement.

Women … run things?

There can be no peace between the sexes until women are back where they belong. The sexes are meant to complement each other rather than compete and put one another down.

Yes, and the best way to show how the sexes “are meant to complement each other rather than … put one another down” is for one of the sexes to, er, put the other down by sending them back into the home.

Women have no business being lawyers, judges, educators, doctors, bureaucrats, writers, or religious leaders. Their attempted leadership in these areas, an illegitimate coup d’etat, is destroying our society.

I agree. Lady Pope is doing a terrible job of dealing with all those abuse cases!

Sadly, they prefer to enjoy their present situation, and let society rot, than go back where they belong and participate in building things again. Much like enjoying the concert on the sinking Titanic – though in this case, don’t expect chivalrous men to jump into the cold water so the ladies can have space on the lifeboats.

A little Titanic humor always enlivens a dull rant, eh?

Knock knock!

Who’s there!

An iceberg!

Damn, I guess we shouldn’t have kept going in zero visibility in a part of the ocean where icebergs had been recently sighted, in our ship that doesn’t have enough lifeboats for everyone!

I crack myself up sometimes. Back to Alcuin:

Feminism is a hate movement that brings out the worst in women.

Unlike the Men’s Rights movement, a hate movement that brings out the best in men!

It hates women because it hates femininity and motherhood, the chief characteristics of what it means to be a genuine woman. It brings out the worst in women by turning them into men, or trying to masculate them.

Damn you, feminism! Don’t go masculating those ladies! First they want to wear pants, and the next thing you know they’re growing ironic mustaches and using Axe Detailers instead of loofahs and subscribing to Bass Fishing Monthly.

It hates men because it blames everything on men, and regards masculinity in men to be evil. It emasculates men at the same time. Gays and, much more secondarily, manginas, are somewhat acceptable to the gynocracy, especially when the furniture needs moving or some bitch can’t pay her own bills.

Because when you need furniture moved, or some money, you call … the gays? Is this some new gay stereotype I’m not aware of? I mean, manginas, sure, manginas are furniture-movers and money-to-bitches conduits extraordinaire. That’s how they get access to pussy, after all.

But what’s the incentive for the gays?  They don’t need pussy; they’d, presumably, prefer to spend their money on tiny dogs and gym memberships than on some bitch’s bills; and while gays may have strong opinions about where the furniture should go, are they really interested in carrying it there themselves?

Women generally use men, and feminism continues this grand tradition. A man’s value is defined according to his use to women. Deeper than that, feminism regards men in the same way that the Nazis regarded Jews – men are Untermensch and cannot be granted the same rights and privileges that women are.

And … now we’ve got Nazis.

Feminism aims to bring men down, as it is a zero-sum movement. It doesn’t simply aim to improve the lot of women through, for instance, education, but seeks to exclude men from education.

It does? Last I heard, colleges were actually lowering their standards in order to enroll more guys.

Thus the current propaganda about campus rape, and the attempt to make it easier to accuse a university male of rape in the USA. Thanks, government. You are, once again, the handmaiden of misandry.

And handmaidens are bad. Not like Shieldmaidens.

Feminist hate will never be satisfied, so men can’t keep avoiding the issue. We must avoid feminism as much as we can, and educate each other about it and about alternatives.

Generally it is advisable to actually know something about something before trying to “educating” other people about it.

This intellectual Renaissance of Western Patriarchy business is a lot trickier than you might think.

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JUANDELACRUZ
JUANDELACRUZ
10 years ago

“The symbolism of the Nazis should be consigned to the rubbish tip, not celebrated.”

But they dressed well and you know, that’s all that matters to a lot of people. You don’t have to be an advocate for Aryan supremacist and/or Jewish genocide to appreciate their sense of style. If European Americans can unilaterally appropriate sacred Native American fashion for sports and sex (despite the historical baggage) ,and stubbornly continue to keep doing so, despite Native Americans protests (google it) and not feel guilty/ashamed for doing so, then so can Asians do likewise for the Nazis (and we have no such historical baggage toward the Jews).

Flib
Flib
10 years ago

Hey Juan, bro, you still haven’t qualified your statements with anything. I asked you awhile back on cultural tropes of Han Chinese and Jewish People. You’ve failed to provide anything substantive. So, again, you remain an unintelligent racist asshole.

Also, making mountains out of mole-hills over Nazi-Chic. In fact! let’s take one of your statements here “not everything in life is pure black or pure white. Life is not a binary zebra, it’s a quantum spectrum.”

And then let’s look at the one RIGHT above it. “Jews (and Israel) have repeatedly publicly attacked Nazi Chic Fashion in Japan, Korea, and India >(“. This somehow means they hate all fun forever and are horrible on the Earth.

Who’s thinking in black and whites? Clearly you. Hell, you are still over-blowing the response Nazi-Chic gets in Asian nations from Jewish organizations. Sure, some people complain, but for you a small minority complaining is the end all. Totally yes/no thinking there brosef.

JUANDELACRUZ
JUANDELACRUZ
10 years ago

“You’ve failed to provide anything substantive.”

Bah, are you blind? Did you not see the links I posted? And obviously, you’re not familiar with the Han to know how similar they are to the Jews:

Jews – They believe they are the Chosen People, looks down on everyone else as Gentiles. All neighbours hate them and view them as land-grabbers who are stereotypically good in business/commerce/economics and believed to secretly control the West.

Han – They believe they are the Middle Kingdom, looks down on everyone else as Barbarians. All neighbours hate them and view them as land-grabbers who are stereotypically good in business/commerce/economics and believed to secretly control the East.

“This somehow means they hate all fun forever and are horrible on the Earth.”
“Sure, some people complain, but for you a small minority complaining is the end all. Totally yes/no thinking there brosef.”

Eh, you’re words, not mine. I said the Jews can be and have been trouble for Asians. From that one single word “trouble” , other people have extrapolated so much else 😀

Jill the Spinster
Jill the Spinster
10 years ago

Juan, which superior asian nation are you from?

JUANDELACRUZ
JUANDELACRUZ
10 years ago

“Juan, which superior asian nation are you from?”

The Sick Man of Asia, which is why I became so twisted and evil hehehehehehe

Flib
Flib
10 years ago

Then learn to qualify what you say. Which you are still failing to do. Also, you have declared they hate fun. My, aren’t you a little whiner?

Pro-tip: Ethnic tension is not a trope. Your pretty much failing here. Also, not all Jews consider themselves the chosen people, in fact, very few do. Your still seeing this as Black and White bro. I’m pretty sure if your going to pull the argument that I don’t understand the Han Chinese, without even qualifying who I might be, it’s hella clear you don’t know shit about Jews. This is pretty much objective at this point, considering your black and white attitude and lack of overall knowledge.

Flib
Flib
10 years ago

Also, your links are of a single leader who is grossly misinformed labeling Jews to complain about the Chinese. That’s not a source of information brotoss, especially since it lacks those little things called facts.

JUANDELACRUZ
JUANDELACRUZ
10 years ago

Bah, I am getting confused with what you want. You wanted proof that in Asia, particulary SE Asian, people have compared the Chinese with the Jews. I gave you links referencing quotes one of Thailand (historically, one of the leading powers in this region)’s greatest kings, which reflects such a mindset. What more do you want eh? And what is this “trope” you’re blabbing about, another western university term that most non-ivory tower intellectuals never actually use in real life? Since it failed to penetrate your consciousness, here’s another link: http://factsanddetails.com/china.php?itemid=191&catid=5&subcatid=29

“Large numbers of Chinese live in Southeast Asia. They are sometimes called “Asian Jews” because they started businesses, retained their customs and have become very rich. The economies in Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore, and Thailand for the most part are controlled by rich Chinese. Although some live in rural areas, the vast majority of Chinese in Southeast Asia live in urban areas. Sometimes they live in separate Chinatowns.”

comrade svilova
comrade svilova
10 years ago

Yes, you are both insufferable under-restrained attention-whores, judging by the excessive oversaturation of current global pop culture, east and west, by the koreans and jews respectively. Into the seas with both the lot of you

Jesus, Mary, and Joseph. It is not ok to joke about killing Jews and Koreans. Especially since ‘driving the Jews into the sea’ has been used by some Muslim anti-Semites as a rallying cry against Israel. (Israel has some very terrible policies, but genocide is not the answer.)

Wear Nazi fashions, and let people know what an insensitive ass you are. But is it too much to ask that you refrain from joking about killing us all? Probably it is. God.

Hershele Ostropoler
10 years ago

I have to wonder about something: since Jews look just like normal people, what are the odds that Juan simply decides that anyone who thinks Nazis are bad is a (cypto-)Jew, just as any man who thinks misogyny is bad is suspect?

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
10 years ago

And what is this “trope” you’re blabbing about, another western university term that most non-ivory tower intellectuals never actually use in real life?

Yes. Because TVTropes is an entirely intellectual endeavor. :p

what are the odds that Juan simply decides that anyone who thinks Nazis are bad is a (cypto-)Jew

Those of us who think Nazis are bad are indeed “legion.” Guess we’d all better call our moms and marry doctors…

Rutee Katreya
10 years ago

Nazi. Chic. Fashion. See, I would have thought an informed person making an actually understandable complaint would have said “They are complaining about traditional iconography in their culture”. But no, you think they’re out of line to complain about nazi imagery. You’re a horrid little waste of space. And if you’re Japanese, you’re terribly dismissive of your own culture, to reduce it to three expressions of popular culture.

Bah, are you blind? Did you not see the links I posted?

That was to people calling the Chinese Jews. He asked you to specify in what ways they were similar. Be less blind.

No, it just means I’m a moderate. Newsflashs, you extremists, not everything in life is pure black or pure white. Life is not a binary zebra, it’s a quantum spectrum.

Oh my god, are you a quantum woomonger? Regardless, the ‘moderate’ position is not obvious racism. THe ‘moderate’ position in racism is ordinary cultural racism. The moderate position is “I’m not a racist, but “. Yeah, there’s a spectrum of racism; anti-racists understand it much better than you, evidently.

Bah, I am getting confused with what you want.

For you to fuck off back to Stormfront, would be nice.

Pecunium: Exceedingly short version, conflating the co-option of native rituals to actual syncretic systems frequently seen in places like China (Historically, less so now post cultural revolution for obvious reasons) and Japan is inaccurate. Conflating the abrahamic religions together for tolerance is blatantly ahistorical. You have also confused syncretism for tolerance, in your example of the Frankish Knights. Syncretism is not tolerance. It is an actual blending of belief systems. To say Christianity can manage this to the extent of say, Hinduism, defies the majority position of both (Including, in that specific case, the fact that Hinduism is itself a syncretic blend of multiple, much older belief systems). THat’s not to say religions originating in asia are always syncretistic, as Juan claims; Skillful Means is about 9/10ths co-option, for instance. But we’re talking about a very low bar in comparing them to the abrahamic religions, because the abrahamic religions ultimately have claimed exclusionary theology for the overwhelming majority of their lifespans, and it’s only recently that anything to the contrary has gained truck at all. For obvious reasons, I’m not convinced they’ll maintain it.

China is one place, but the state’s views on religion are such that it’s hard to say what the level of actual tolerance is.

The state’s views on religion are actually fairly reasonable, if still totalitarian, and are one of the most commonly misunderstood things by Westerners. The rules for religion are the same as the rules for everything else: Do not shit talk the Chinese Government. Provided you do this, it’s fairly easy to practice and preach in China.

Rutee Katreya
10 years ago

My bad, that was Societal Contract who implied that asian religions are happy fun together time with each other.

Pecunium
10 years ago

Falafel is Roman, at least Apicius has a recipe for fried chickpea cakes.

Glad I could resolve that for you.

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
10 years ago

Juan, which superior asian nation are you from?

Isn’t he from the micronation of Weeaboo, population: otaku? They live primarily on the internet and subsist entirely on trolling for lulz, and their birthrate is extremely low because they evince no sexual interest in adult humans.

Rutee Katreya
10 years ago

It is possible he’s actually Japanese; @channers have a shitty reputation within their own culture for a reason, and doing shit like dismissing their own culture outside of three expressions of pop culture is one of them. He’s also got the China hate down, and that’s fairly atypical of, well, weeaboos. The spanish screen name makes me unsure though; It speaks more to castilian spanish, I think, but there’s a lot of spanish speaking people’s so that doesn’t say that much.

Pecunium
10 years ago

Rutee: The entire conversation, from the, “all christians are about conversion” to “the East is full of Mystical Happy High IQ Cohabiting Bliss” and treating the philosophical doctrines of Confucianism as religion has been full of glossing and conflating, and gross simplifications

I am sorry if I was unclear about Outremer and the Raj. I was not arguing for syncretic behaviors, I was saying they were tolerant of non-Christian belief (in opposition to the argument being proffered that Christianity is all about bringing the entire world, “to Jesus”

Examples: In the Frankish controlled regions there was no drive to convert. The locals were allowed to be what they were. They paid a head tax, much as non-muslims did in the Islamic states.

When I went to visit the holy sites in Jerusalem, I would go in and make my way up to the Asqa mosque, beside which stood a small mosque that the Franks had converted to a church. When I went into the Asqa mosque (where the Templars, who are my friends were) they would clear out that little mosque so I could pray.

Usama ibn Mundiqihd, The Book of Contemplation

Ibn Jubayr visited the Crusader states from Moorish Spain:

Our way went past continuous farms and settlements, whose inhabitants were all Muslims; living comfortably with the Franks (God preserve us from such temptation). They give over half their crops to the Franks at the harvest, and pay a head tax as well, of one dinar, five qirats per person. Apart from this they are not bothered with at all, saving a light tax on the fruits of trees. They are left in full possession of all their houses and all their goods.

I am still going to say that the absorption of things like the Isthar Cult into Christianity by way of Easter is a syncretic feature, and that the blending nature of things, and time, have made the local cult worships which co-existed before the rise of a more central church (and so the need to homogenise what was a very disparate set of local cult-practices) in the high middle ages makes it a lot harder to see as the sort of syncretic thing they were.

Given the all or nothing nature of the Christianities which survived, the syncrety is, perforce, going to lead to co-option over time. That’s the whole function of arguments on heresy. But it wasn’t until the 8th century that even Western Christianity was anything close to being a singular theology, with a coherent whole from one end of the Papal Authority to the other.

Pecunium
10 years ago

Rutee: Oops, I think that, “my bad” was directed at some of the warm tone in the comment you made to me.

I’m sorry. I’ve had a (blissfully mild) flu since Tues, and I’ve also been unpacking the last of my things, so I’m not at my most clear-headed and calm-minded.

I hope I gave no offense.

Rutee Katreya
10 years ago

To be fair to @Channers, part of that reason is “EW! NERDS!”, and is grossly unfair. And part of that reason is that we can go to 2ch and see what terrible people *some* @channers are, so inaccurate things are ascribed to the entire group.

Pecunium
10 years ago

For those who might have wondered what the Russian words were, I shall now pair them (sans articles, as Russian has none) with their Spanish counterparts, so we can see how well they match up.

ресторан
restaurante

аспирин
aspirina

кофе
cafй

мотоциклист
motociclista

такси
taxi

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
10 years ago

Omg, it is just like the Spanish alphabet!

At least, the bottom word in each set is. We were talking about the similarities between romance language alphabets, right? ;p

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
10 years ago

It is possible he’s actually Japanese; @channers have a shitty reputation within their own culture for a reason, and doing shit like dismissing their own culture outside of three expressions of pop culture is one of them. He’s also got the China hate down, and that’s fairly atypical of, well, weeaboos. The spanish screen name makes me unsure though; It speaks more to castilian spanish, I think, but there’s a lot of spanish speaking people’s so that doesn’t say that much.

Hell if I know. He could be Japanese, which makes the “Nazi chic” thing even sadder, or he could be just a slightly more in-character/knowledgeable weeaboo who actually knows something about Japanese/Chinese relations. Actually, I guess I would expect more crappy Japanese phrases out of him if he were just a white anime fan… Hm. Maybe he’s Japanese and took Spanish in school, like my roommate (though the similarities end there.)

Whichever country he’s from, I’m entirely sure they would love to disown him. 🙂

KathleenB
KathleenB
10 years ago

despite Native Americans protests (google it)

It’s not just Natives protesting cultural appropriation. Just, y’know, FYI.

Flib
Flib
10 years ago

@Juan

Really, your just to stupid to understand. You are specifically an ignorant ass. I was asking for a proper comparison. Not Herpus Derpus racist asshole attempting to score points with his racist buddies, which you clearly are one.

So, let’s see: We have starting businesses (Pro-tip, everyone does that, it’s called a basic economy with individuals, more evidence that your incapable of any level of analytical thought), we have attempting to retain culture (Again, every group has it’s conservatives, this is not unique to Jews nor Chinese ethnic identity. Look at ethnic tensions anywhere, France is a great example), Becoming ‘rich’ is only a sign of success. Side note, most Jews were not actually all that rich historically. Learn to demographic and distinguish from propaganda. A large powerful economic contender has it’s hands in the economies of it’s satellite nations? Why, that’s just like America and Mexico. Or how Russia was with much of Eastern Europe. Economic power leverage is not unique (Further pro-tip: Jews don’t control the economy. Having Jews involved in an economy does not equal control. Show some gini-coefficients in regards to ethnicity and I can show you a lot of white guys at the top, but Jews aren’t statistically significant) Finally we have living in cities. I don’t know if you were around these last 50 years, bro, but people have been moving to the city. There has been a vast population shift moving to an urban environment.

But let’s be clear here, you are attributing all these economic things to an ethnic group, not to the actual policies and the leaders behind it. Your blaming the entire ethnic group. That stands that you fail any sort of reasoning, and are unable to comprehend how a political economy works. Which doesn’t surprise me, you are an ignorant racist asshole who clearly only wishes to spout his factual wrongness like some sort of Bellagio hotel.

I fail to see any factual comparison between cultures. I’ll suggest some areas to start comparing culture and not economic policy of nations (Which are a different unit of analysis then an ethnic group, bro). Food is a great way to compare. You can compare mythos. These are very specifically cultural items that attribute themselves to ethnic identity. You can linguistically compare. Come on man, you can get that poor mouse in your brain to start running on its wheel. Give it a boost.

As for Tropes, uh, hate to break it to you Brobachev, but it’s actually used in everyday life for many people beyond academia. I’d point out that the form a trope takes in Anthropology and in TVTropes does differ. but it’s a common enough term to be culturally significant. But then, this is coming from you, who can’t even manage to think on a spectrum, much less think.

KathleenB
KathleenB
10 years ago

OMG, David is engaging in CENSORSHIP!!!1!!eleventy! On his own blog, where he gets to make the commenting policy! When will the fymynyst oppression end??!?!?

Societal Contract
Societal Contract
10 years ago

“There is no way to to wear a swastika ‘ironically.’ It does not work like that. The symbolism of the Nazis should be consigned to the rubbish tip, not celebrated.”

Swastikas are painted on homes and shops and used in ritual all over Hindu/Buddhist South Asia even today, as they have been for thousands of years.

Swasti means “good is” in Sanskrit, so the symbol is an beneficient one.

Hitler completely misappropriate this ancient cultural symbol.

Pecunium
10 years ago

It’s a wider symbol than just India. It can be found in pottery/weaving in the American SW, and it’s found in German decorations. It’s found in Tibet.

But it’s use, and the associations are permanent. He used it, and for the western world, it’s going to take a long time, longer than anyone here is likely to live, and; probably for the best, quite some time longer than any of our offspring are going to live.

Part of the reason for that is the racists who will persist in keeping it associated with him. Until that cultural legacy has evaporated, the more mundane uses of it will have to remain more personal than public.

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
10 years ago

When will the fymynyst oppression end??!?!?

Geez, I think that spelling just oppressed my eyes… :p

Falafel is Roman, at least Apicius has a recipe for fried chickpea cakes.

Glad I could resolve that for you.

Would you believe I never actually tried falafel until college? That is like 18 years of not eating something delicious for no reason! Shameful.

captainbathrobe
10 years ago

Dave is really Batman.

David K. Meller
David K. Meller
10 years ago

This Alcuin seems to have ideas worth listenng to! Who says it is “putting down” women anyway to recognise that their work is primarily work taking place in and around the home? After all, no sane person thinks that it is “putting down” men to acknowledge, or even to celebrate, that OUR work is primarily work done outside the home?

Women (because they are females) are often better at some things–especially dealing with domestic matters, than men are,, and that’s wonderful; and they are often markedly inferior (because they are females) at many others which men tend to excel in outside the nome,, and that is wonderful too!

Alcuin realizes that. Interestingly enough, the things that men do best, as a rule, are the very things that women often demonstrate pronounced inferiority at, and thus the activities of both sexes complement each other, both in and outside the home and family, beautifullly! Understanding this leads to prosperous, healthy, and successful families and communities. Denying–or ignoring–this inevitably leads to the bloody messes that we are experiencing today in the USSA and around the world!

When will manboobz.com recognise these simple and permanent facts of nature, and instead of being uncomfortable with them–calling them “misogyny”–celebrate it? Egalitarian feminists on this blog will spit sparks, but everyone has been paying too much attention to THOSE horrid harpies anyhow!

PEACE AND FREEDOM!!
David K. Meller

ozymandias42
10 years ago

“No sane person thinks that it is “putting down” men to acknowledge, or even to celebrate, that OUR work is primarily work done outside the home?”

I do. It’s a misandric stereotype that men are naturally slobs and incapable of taking care of their children. Especially that last one! Men are just as compassionate and loving as women, just as self-sacrificial, just as hard-working, just as stern when necessary and kind when necessary and wise enough to tell the difference; they are equally capable of being the primary caregiver.

To say differently is to insult my father, who raised me from when I was a small child, woke up at four AM every morning so he’d be home from work in time to pick me up from school, helped me with my homework, drove me to extracurricular activities, cooked me dinner, gave me hugs when I cried and candy when I succeeded and in every way took care of me.

David K. Meller
David K. Meller
10 years ago

Men–at least most men– are certainly able, in a forced put or emergency, to undertake the work normally done very well by the women of the household, and it is indeed wonderful that you were blessed with such a father!

However, families, and their communities, work at their best when men do what they, as a rule, are best at doing, and women do, as a rule, what they are best at doing. This doesn’t–and mustn’t preclude exceptions, but recognising what they are, EXCEPTIONS(!), certainly doesn’t, and mustn’t, mistake an exception for a norm, still less some sort of ideal!

Your father, remarkable as he was, probably raised you in a larger environment where many, indeed most, of the other men did their primary work outside the home, and the women did most of their work with the home and the children

Of course, none of the above appllies to the hordes of modern women who in their frantic quest to foolishly imitate men, end up treating their children more like potted plants being given “qualtiy time” while ‘supermom’ is balancing being a fortune 500 CEO with girlfriends, lawyers,travel, and of course, “marriage” (to her fourth husband, busy with affairs of his own)..And we keep hearing that our society should do more to accomodate these lunatics?.

PEACE AND FREEDOM!!
David K. Meller

Sharculese
10 years ago

dkm do you actually know any working women or do you just skulk in the bushes outside office complexes muttering about ‘those damn bitches’ before security shows up to remind you youve been warned about this before

like how do you live in the actual world and still manage to invent this creepy delusional nonsense?

Bee
Bee
10 years ago

The really wonderful thing about David K. Meller and his bizarre rants is knowing how much his repugnant views have alienated him from polite society. People find him tedious, avoid his company — or smile politely, hoping he’ll notice quickly the strained impatience on their faces as they wait for the first moment to excuse themselves.

He marginalizes himself through his wrong-headed beliefs about everything. Nothing he ever wants will gain any kind of popular acceptance, as wrong-headed, hateful, and downright evil as all his pet theories have proved to be.

With that in mind, it’s a little amusing — and a lot sad — to consider that he wants women to stay at home. Successful women working as lawyers, entrepreneurs, teachers, physicians … it’s like a stake in his shriveled heart because he can’t have that success. He thinks that if women were forced to stay home, he could enter the general population of men and gain the acceptance that’s eluded him all his life.

But as with everything else he thinks, this too is wrong. He will never be accepted. Who would willingly align themselves with that?

And his belief that he’d be able to find a willing woman-partner if women were forced out of the workplace — that’s just pathetic. Wait for the robot ladies, David K. Meller. It’s more humane than forcing a living human being to pretend that you’re not a disappointment to everyone who enters your life. You say that women are good at domestic things (although men can do them too — even better, if only they weren’t so concerned with being so important and manly), and men are good at everything else. What are you good at, David K. Meller? You’re not good with facts. You’re not good with people. You’re not good at being right or being kind or being loved or accepted. You appear to be very good at hate and at consistency and at narcissism — all three qualities which lead only to your marginalization and ridicule.

I mean, it’s interesting reading these stupid fucking rants, but it’s downright heartwarming to know that these are ideas that will always be rejected and laughed at by larger society.

ozymandias42
10 years ago

No, actually, my father was friends with a bunch of other primary-caregiver dads– one of them was a stay-at-home father, a couple were freelance writers and some went on the mommy track for their kids. And he knew several other fathers who said that they would do the same thing if it weren’t for the giant amounts of shit they’d get for doing it from assholes like you.

And even so, all the moms of all my friends worked outside the home. That’s the way of the future, asshat.

Rutee Katreya
10 years ago

I do. It’s a misandric stereotype that men are naturally slobs and incapable of taking care of their children. Especially that last one! Men are just as compassionate and loving as women, just as self-sacrificial, just as hard-working, just as stern when necessary and kind when necessary and wise enough to tell the difference; they are equally capable of being the primary caregiver.

A stereotype that advantages men and gives them an unequitable distribution of labor in their favor is not misandristic by any means of the imagination.

One of my best friends had a primary caregiver dad, also. He was a happy dude, taking care of the kids and keeping the place clean. I believe the mother worked for one of the arms development firms in the area as a researcher.

Women (because they are females) are often better at some things–especially dealing with domestic matters, than men are,, and that’s wonderful; and they are often markedly inferior (because they are females) at many others which men tend to excel in outside the nome,, and that is wonderful too!

Women aren’t better at this than men due to any inherent differences. It’s because you asshats take it upon yourselves to leave the work to women. I’ve met precisely one man who has a legitimate reason not to be good at cleaning, and he’s blind. Everything else is laziness and an unwillingness to learn.

Women are not inferior at other tasks, either; that too is society’s jackassery, disadvantaging women once again. Is it any wonder that people who are raised to believe they are inferior at, say, math, have less effort put into their education by the educators, and are constantly denied their love of science or math, both by their schools and by their peers, are, surprise and terror, not as good at these kinds of things?

When will manboobz.com recognise these simple and permanent facts of nature, and instead of being uncomfortable with them–calling them “misogyny”–celebrate it? Egalitarian feminists on this blog will spit sparks, but everyone has been paying too much attention to THOSE horrid harpies anyhow!

When they’re supported by the evidence, so if you want us to believe you, you’ll need to start warping reality to match your beliefs. Good luck with that. As is, your idiocy will continue to be true only in your own mind’s eye, and nobody gives a shit what you think.

DELUSIONS AND STUPIDITY

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

Meller, what’s up with your double commas and periods? Makes you look like even more of a dolt. MRA punctuation, it is a mystery.

BTW, what exactly do you do for a living? Is it some big, manly-man job, or are you just some pencil pusher who wishes he were successful?

Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
10 years ago

like how do you live in the actual world and still manage to invent this creepy delusional nonsense?

My favorite thing is when he says that we’re clearly over educating women and, if they have to work, should be confined to jobs like teaching, nursing and being librarians. Because clearly those fields: 1) don’t have any women at all, no sir, and 2) don’t require advanced degrees.

Absolutely precious. In a disgusting, toad-like manner -of course- but precious, just the same.

Sharculese
10 years ago

dkm is like a backwards version of nice pete except i am pretty sure i would rather hang out with nice pete

ozymandias42
10 years ago

Nobinayamu: “Women should be confined to jobs that require a bachelor’s degree!”

David K. Meller
David K. Meller
10 years ago

Dear David Futrelle,

Are you CERTAIN that your website manboobz.com is really dedicated to mocking misogyny?

After looking at these posts, and dozens, if not hundreds more like them, hatred of women starts to look more and more reasonable to an impartial observer. In fact, you may soon have to change the title of manboobz.com to something like womenbeinghateful.com! Certainly, after reading posts from Nobinayamu, Bee, amandajane5, KathleenB, hellkell, etc. hatred of these she-demons is the only rational, if not possible response for a man!

You–and manboobz.com–can’t really mock misogyny if the women posters here are all so hateful that misogyny is no longer ridiculous, but an entirely natural respose to the venom of these truly hateful harpies!

Almost every post seen here is one of a truly poisonous woman spewing bile at someone (usually a man) who simply disagrees with her in her opinion (delusion) that men and women are the same, and that he delights in a world where there are profound, ineradicable, fundamental, and universal differences–Praise the Lord!!–in other words, INEQUALITY between the sexes, and that far from being “oppression” or “bias” recognition of these differences form the basis of why men and women can enjoy one another! On a different level, they also explain reproduction and the emergence of the family, but one thing at a time!

How about it, Futrelle? Are there any plans to change the name of your website to something more truthful like womenbeinghateful.com.? There IS something called truth in advertising, you know.

PEACE AND FREEDOM!!
David K. Meller

Dracula
Dracula
10 years ago

Who’s this “impartial observer” you’re referring to, Meller?

KathleenB
KathleenB
10 years ago

DKM: Not a she-demon either. You really need to do some fucking research. I don’t hate all men, just the assholes (this is true for all people, actually.) I’m not an entitled princess of any kind. I’m just a person with a low tolerance for fuckwits and a very smart mouth. Hardly my fault you’re a delusional fuckwit.

I’m married to a man who is ten times (at least) the man you’ll ever be – he accepts me for a flawed human being who adores him, and I try to do the same for him. He calls me out when I’m being an asshole, holds me when I cry, and talks me down from panic attacks. He’s kept me sane during the worst times of my life and stood by me in the best. You’ll be lucky if you can get a chickbot who’s willing to put up with your shit. Who’s the better human here?

Rutee Katreya
10 years ago

Aw, poor DKM thinks that manboobz women are hateful little monsters because we’re not offering to fuck him when he explains that we should be his slaves. Fuck right back off to your little fantasy worlds, DKM. I hear Gor is in your tastes.

Ami Angelwings
10 years ago

Certainly, after reading posts from Nobinayamu, Bee, amandajane5, KathleenB, hellkell, etc. hatred of these she-demons is the only rational, if not possible response for a man!

Rly? o_O Which posts? o_O

Almost every post seen here is one of a truly poisonous woman spewing bile at someone (usually a man) who simply disagrees with her in her opinion (delusion) that men and women are the same, and that he delights in a world where there are profound, ineradicable, fundamental, and universal differences–Praise the Lord!!–in other words, INEQUALITY between the sexes, and that far from being “oppression” or “bias” recognition of these differences form the basis of why men and women can enjoy one another!

Examples plz! 😀

Ami Angelwings
10 years ago

How about this, since you opened the door… xD

David posts something from his archives of what a misogynist has said (i.e. the kinds of stuff he posts about)…

and you show us an equivalent comment from one of the ppl you mentioned on Manboobz? :3

David, you up for it? 😀

VoiP
VoiP
10 years ago

Bee:

He marginalizes himself through his wrong-headed beliefs about everything. Nothing he ever wants will gain any kind of popular acceptance, as wrong-headed, hateful, and downright evil as all his pet theories have proved to be….He will never be accepted. Who would willingly align themselves with that?

I’ve seen people call him on his bullshit on Stormfront. ^_^

DKM:

Certainly, after reading posts from Nobinayamu, Bee, amandajane5, KathleenB, hellkell, etc. hatred of these she-demons is the only rational, if not possible response for a man!

No love for me? C’mon, I was the one who told everyone here that you’re a real-life Internet Nazi and let them see all the shit you spew around other websites!

KathleenB
KathleenB
10 years ago

I’ve seen people call him on his bullshit on Stormfront. ^_^

Oh, man. When fucking STORMFRONT is calling what you spout bullshit, that might just be a sign to stop. And maybe seek psychiatric help.

Sharculese
10 years ago

dkm cant distinguish people disliking him for being an abrasive, deluded asshole from some sort of general anger and hatred.

this is either because dkms unending fountain of rage prevents him from understanding that any could see the world is the same stark ‘us against them’ terms he does. it could also be because he is a moron who cant master basic geography. it is probably both.