At first glance, Alcuin’s blog would seem to be some sort of parody. The blog’s slogan – “Promoting the Intellectual Renaissance of Western Patriarchy” – seems so over-the-top pretentious that even the smuggest of would-be intellectuals wouldn’t be able to post it with a straight face.
But if Alcuin is a troll, he’s a dedicated one, and one (at least based on my less-than-exhaustive survey of his blog) who never seems to break character. So I’m assuming he’s real. Which makes him a pompous ass with a lot of irritating ideas he’s somehow convinced himself are new and interesting. Take (please!) his recent post “Back Where They Belong.” And yes, “they” mean who you think, and “where they belong” means where you think.
Men should run the government, business, education, and religion. Women should stay at home. Young unmarried women can briefly work as kindergarten and elementary teachers, but there are no reasons why men can’t usually do this as well.
I’m not sure if Alcuin understands that women actually hold most of the jobs that currently exist, and that removing virtually all of them from the workplace would cause the economy to implode like, well, Alcuin, if you suddenly removed all of his idiocy. Also, how many kindergarten teachers do we really need?
As long as women run things, men will continue to be sidelined and slandered because feminism is a zero-sum movement.
Women … run things?
There can be no peace between the sexes until women are back where they belong. The sexes are meant to complement each other rather than compete and put one another down.
Yes, and the best way to show how the sexes “are meant to complement each other rather than … put one another down” is for one of the sexes to, er, put the other down by sending them back into the home.
Women have no business being lawyers, judges, educators, doctors, bureaucrats, writers, or religious leaders. Their attempted leadership in these areas, an illegitimate coup d’etat, is destroying our society.
I agree. Lady Pope is doing a terrible job of dealing with all those abuse cases!
Sadly, they prefer to enjoy their present situation, and let society rot, than go back where they belong and participate in building things again. Much like enjoying the concert on the sinking Titanic – though in this case, don’t expect chivalrous men to jump into the cold water so the ladies can have space on the lifeboats.
A little Titanic humor always enlivens a dull rant, eh?
Knock knock!
Who’s there!
An iceberg!
Damn, I guess we shouldn’t have kept going in zero visibility in a part of the ocean where icebergs had been recently sighted, in our ship that doesn’t have enough lifeboats for everyone!
I crack myself up sometimes. Back to Alcuin:
Feminism is a hate movement that brings out the worst in women.
Unlike the Men’s Rights movement, a hate movement that brings out the best in men!
It hates women because it hates femininity and motherhood, the chief characteristics of what it means to be a genuine woman. It brings out the worst in women by turning them into men, or trying to masculate them.
Damn you, feminism! Don’t go masculating those ladies! First they want to wear pants, and the next thing you know they’re growing ironic mustaches and using Axe Detailers instead of loofahs and subscribing to Bass Fishing Monthly.
It hates men because it blames everything on men, and regards masculinity in men to be evil. It emasculates men at the same time. Gays and, much more secondarily, manginas, are somewhat acceptable to the gynocracy, especially when the furniture needs moving or some bitch can’t pay her own bills.
Because when you need furniture moved, or some money, you call … the gays? Is this some new gay stereotype I’m not aware of? I mean, manginas, sure, manginas are furniture-movers and money-to-bitches conduits extraordinaire. That’s how they get access to pussy, after all.
But what’s the incentive for the gays? They don’t need pussy; they’d, presumably, prefer to spend their money on tiny dogs and gym memberships than on some bitch’s bills; and while gays may have strong opinions about where the furniture should go, are they really interested in carrying it there themselves?
Women generally use men, and feminism continues this grand tradition. A man’s value is defined according to his use to women. Deeper than that, feminism regards men in the same way that the Nazis regarded Jews – men are Untermensch and cannot be granted the same rights and privileges that women are.
And … now we’ve got Nazis.
Feminism aims to bring men down, as it is a zero-sum movement. It doesn’t simply aim to improve the lot of women through, for instance, education, but seeks to exclude men from education.
It does? Last I heard, colleges were actually lowering their standards in order to enroll more guys.
Thus the current propaganda about campus rape, and the attempt to make it easier to accuse a university male of rape in the USA. Thanks, government. You are, once again, the handmaiden of misandry.
And handmaidens are bad. Not like Shieldmaidens.
Feminist hate will never be satisfied, so men can’t keep avoiding the issue. We must avoid feminism as much as we can, and educate each other about it and about alternatives.
Generally it is advisable to actually know something about something before trying to “educating” other people about it.
This intellectual Renaissance of Western Patriarchy business is a lot trickier than you might think.
“The symbolism of the Nazis should be consigned to the rubbish tip, not celebrated.”
But they dressed well and you know, that’s all that matters to a lot of people. You don’t have to be an advocate for Aryan supremacist and/or Jewish genocide to appreciate their sense of style. If European Americans can unilaterally appropriate sacred Native American fashion for sports and sex (despite the historical baggage) ,and stubbornly continue to keep doing so, despite Native Americans protests (google it) and not feel guilty/ashamed for doing so, then so can Asians do likewise for the Nazis (and we have no such historical baggage toward the Jews).
Hey Juan, bro, you still haven’t qualified your statements with anything. I asked you awhile back on cultural tropes of Han Chinese and Jewish People. You’ve failed to provide anything substantive. So, again, you remain an unintelligent racist asshole.
Also, making mountains out of mole-hills over Nazi-Chic. In fact! let’s take one of your statements here “not everything in life is pure black or pure white. Life is not a binary zebra, it’s a quantum spectrum.”
And then let’s look at the one RIGHT above it. “Jews (and Israel) have repeatedly publicly attacked Nazi Chic Fashion in Japan, Korea, and India >(“. This somehow means they hate all fun forever and are horrible on the Earth.
Who’s thinking in black and whites? Clearly you. Hell, you are still over-blowing the response Nazi-Chic gets in Asian nations from Jewish organizations. Sure, some people complain, but for you a small minority complaining is the end all. Totally yes/no thinking there brosef.
“You’ve failed to provide anything substantive.”
Bah, are you blind? Did you not see the links I posted? And obviously, you’re not familiar with the Han to know how similar they are to the Jews:
Jews – They believe they are the Chosen People, looks down on everyone else as Gentiles. All neighbours hate them and view them as land-grabbers who are stereotypically good in business/commerce/economics and believed to secretly control the West.
Han – They believe they are the Middle Kingdom, looks down on everyone else as Barbarians. All neighbours hate them and view them as land-grabbers who are stereotypically good in business/commerce/economics and believed to secretly control the East.
“This somehow means they hate all fun forever and are horrible on the Earth.”
“Sure, some people complain, but for you a small minority complaining is the end all. Totally yes/no thinking there brosef.”
Eh, you’re words, not mine. I said the Jews can be and have been trouble for Asians. From that one single word “trouble” , other people have extrapolated so much else 😀
Juan, which superior asian nation are you from?
“Juan, which superior asian nation are you from?”
The Sick Man of Asia, which is why I became so twisted and evil hehehehehehe
Then learn to qualify what you say. Which you are still failing to do. Also, you have declared they hate fun. My, aren’t you a little whiner?
Pro-tip: Ethnic tension is not a trope. Your pretty much failing here. Also, not all Jews consider themselves the chosen people, in fact, very few do. Your still seeing this as Black and White bro. I’m pretty sure if your going to pull the argument that I don’t understand the Han Chinese, without even qualifying who I might be, it’s hella clear you don’t know shit about Jews. This is pretty much objective at this point, considering your black and white attitude and lack of overall knowledge.
Also, your links are of a single leader who is grossly misinformed labeling Jews to complain about the Chinese. That’s not a source of information brotoss, especially since it lacks those little things called facts.
Bah, I am getting confused with what you want. You wanted proof that in Asia, particulary SE Asian, people have compared the Chinese with the Jews. I gave you links referencing quotes one of Thailand (historically, one of the leading powers in this region)’s greatest kings, which reflects such a mindset. What more do you want eh? And what is this “trope” you’re blabbing about, another western university term that most non-ivory tower intellectuals never actually use in real life? Since it failed to penetrate your consciousness, here’s another link: http://factsanddetails.com/china.php?itemid=191&catid=5&subcatid=29
“Large numbers of Chinese live in Southeast Asia. They are sometimes called “Asian Jews” because they started businesses, retained their customs and have become very rich. The economies in Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore, and Thailand for the most part are controlled by rich Chinese. Although some live in rural areas, the vast majority of Chinese in Southeast Asia live in urban areas. Sometimes they live in separate Chinatowns.”
Yes, you are both insufferable under-restrained attention-whores, judging by the excessive oversaturation of current global pop culture, east and west, by the koreans and jews respectively. Into the seas with both the lot of you
Jesus, Mary, and Joseph. It is not ok to joke about killing Jews and Koreans. Especially since ‘driving the Jews into the sea’ has been used by some Muslim anti-Semites as a rallying cry against Israel. (Israel has some very terrible policies, but genocide is not the answer.)
Wear Nazi fashions, and let people know what an insensitive ass you are. But is it too much to ask that you refrain from joking about killing us all? Probably it is. God.
I have to wonder about something: since Jews look just like normal people, what are the odds that Juan simply decides that anyone who thinks Nazis are bad is a (cypto-)Jew, just as any man who thinks misogyny is bad is suspect?
Yes. Because TVTropes is an entirely intellectual endeavor. :p
Those of us who think Nazis are bad are indeed “legion.” Guess we’d all better call our moms and marry doctors…
Nazi. Chic. Fashion. See, I would have thought an informed person making an actually understandable complaint would have said “They are complaining about traditional iconography in their culture”. But no, you think they’re out of line to complain about nazi imagery. You’re a horrid little waste of space. And if you’re Japanese, you’re terribly dismissive of your own culture, to reduce it to three expressions of popular culture.
That was to people calling the Chinese Jews. He asked you to specify in what ways they were similar. Be less blind.
Oh my god, are you a quantum woomonger? Regardless, the ‘moderate’ position is not obvious racism. THe ‘moderate’ position in racism is ordinary cultural racism. The moderate position is “I’m not a racist, but “. Yeah, there’s a spectrum of racism; anti-racists understand it much better than you, evidently.
For you to fuck off back to Stormfront, would be nice.
Pecunium: Exceedingly short version, conflating the co-option of native rituals to actual syncretic systems frequently seen in places like China (Historically, less so now post cultural revolution for obvious reasons) and Japan is inaccurate. Conflating the abrahamic religions together for tolerance is blatantly ahistorical. You have also confused syncretism for tolerance, in your example of the Frankish Knights. Syncretism is not tolerance. It is an actual blending of belief systems. To say Christianity can manage this to the extent of say, Hinduism, defies the majority position of both (Including, in that specific case, the fact that Hinduism is itself a syncretic blend of multiple, much older belief systems). THat’s not to say religions originating in asia are always syncretistic, as Juan claims; Skillful Means is about 9/10ths co-option, for instance. But we’re talking about a very low bar in comparing them to the abrahamic religions, because the abrahamic religions ultimately have claimed exclusionary theology for the overwhelming majority of their lifespans, and it’s only recently that anything to the contrary has gained truck at all. For obvious reasons, I’m not convinced they’ll maintain it.
The state’s views on religion are actually fairly reasonable, if still totalitarian, and are one of the most commonly misunderstood things by Westerners. The rules for religion are the same as the rules for everything else: Do not shit talk the Chinese Government. Provided you do this, it’s fairly easy to practice and preach in China.
My bad, that was Societal Contract who implied that asian religions are happy fun together time with each other.
Falafel is Roman, at least Apicius has a recipe for fried chickpea cakes.
Glad I could resolve that for you.
Isn’t he from the micronation of Weeaboo, population: otaku? They live primarily on the internet and subsist entirely on trolling for lulz, and their birthrate is extremely low because they evince no sexual interest in adult humans.
It is possible he’s actually Japanese; @channers have a shitty reputation within their own culture for a reason, and doing shit like dismissing their own culture outside of three expressions of pop culture is one of them. He’s also got the China hate down, and that’s fairly atypical of, well, weeaboos. The spanish screen name makes me unsure though; It speaks more to castilian spanish, I think, but there’s a lot of spanish speaking people’s so that doesn’t say that much.
Rutee: The entire conversation, from the, “all christians are about conversion” to “the East is full of Mystical Happy High IQ Cohabiting Bliss” and treating the philosophical doctrines of Confucianism as religion has been full of glossing and conflating, and gross simplifications
I am sorry if I was unclear about Outremer and the Raj. I was not arguing for syncretic behaviors, I was saying they were tolerant of non-Christian belief (in opposition to the argument being proffered that Christianity is all about bringing the entire world, “to Jesus”
Examples: In the Frankish controlled regions there was no drive to convert. The locals were allowed to be what they were. They paid a head tax, much as non-muslims did in the Islamic states.
When I went to visit the holy sites in Jerusalem, I would go in and make my way up to the Asqa mosque, beside which stood a small mosque that the Franks had converted to a church. When I went into the Asqa mosque (where the Templars, who are my friends were) they would clear out that little mosque so I could pray.
Usama ibn Mundiqihd, The Book of Contemplation
Ibn Jubayr visited the Crusader states from Moorish Spain:
Our way went past continuous farms and settlements, whose inhabitants were all Muslims; living comfortably with the Franks (God preserve us from such temptation). They give over half their crops to the Franks at the harvest, and pay a head tax as well, of one dinar, five qirats per person. Apart from this they are not bothered with at all, saving a light tax on the fruits of trees. They are left in full possession of all their houses and all their goods.
I am still going to say that the absorption of things like the Isthar Cult into Christianity by way of Easter is a syncretic feature, and that the blending nature of things, and time, have made the local cult worships which co-existed before the rise of a more central church (and so the need to homogenise what was a very disparate set of local cult-practices) in the high middle ages makes it a lot harder to see as the sort of syncretic thing they were.
Given the all or nothing nature of the Christianities which survived, the syncrety is, perforce, going to lead to co-option over time. That’s the whole function of arguments on heresy. But it wasn’t until the 8th century that even Western Christianity was anything close to being a singular theology, with a coherent whole from one end of the Papal Authority to the other.
Rutee: Oops, I think that, “my bad” was directed at some of the warm tone in the comment you made to me.
I’m sorry. I’ve had a (blissfully mild) flu since Tues, and I’ve also been unpacking the last of my things, so I’m not at my most clear-headed and calm-minded.
I hope I gave no offense.
To be fair to @Channers, part of that reason is “EW! NERDS!”, and is grossly unfair. And part of that reason is that we can go to 2ch and see what terrible people *some* @channers are, so inaccurate things are ascribed to the entire group.
For those who might have wondered what the Russian words were, I shall now pair them (sans articles, as Russian has none) with their Spanish counterparts, so we can see how well they match up.
ресторан
restaurante
аспирин
aspirina
кофе
cafй
мотоциклист
motociclista
такси
taxi
Omg, it is just like the Spanish alphabet!
At least, the bottom word in each set is. We were talking about the similarities between romance language alphabets, right? ;p
Hell if I know. He could be Japanese, which makes the “Nazi chic” thing even sadder, or he could be just a slightly more in-character/knowledgeable weeaboo who actually knows something about Japanese/Chinese relations. Actually, I guess I would expect more crappy Japanese phrases out of him if he were just a white anime fan… Hm. Maybe he’s Japanese and took Spanish in school, like my roommate (though the similarities end there.)
Whichever country he’s from, I’m entirely sure they would love to disown him. 🙂
It’s not just Natives protesting cultural appropriation. Just, y’know, FYI.
@Juan
Really, your just to stupid to understand. You are specifically an ignorant ass. I was asking for a proper comparison. Not Herpus Derpus racist asshole attempting to score points with his racist buddies, which you clearly are one.
So, let’s see: We have starting businesses (Pro-tip, everyone does that, it’s called a basic economy with individuals, more evidence that your incapable of any level of analytical thought), we have attempting to retain culture (Again, every group has it’s conservatives, this is not unique to Jews nor Chinese ethnic identity. Look at ethnic tensions anywhere, France is a great example), Becoming ‘rich’ is only a sign of success. Side note, most Jews were not actually all that rich historically. Learn to demographic and distinguish from propaganda. A large powerful economic contender has it’s hands in the economies of it’s satellite nations? Why, that’s just like America and Mexico. Or how Russia was with much of Eastern Europe. Economic power leverage is not unique (Further pro-tip: Jews don’t control the economy. Having Jews involved in an economy does not equal control. Show some gini-coefficients in regards to ethnicity and I can show you a lot of white guys at the top, but Jews aren’t statistically significant) Finally we have living in cities. I don’t know if you were around these last 50 years, bro, but people have been moving to the city. There has been a vast population shift moving to an urban environment.
But let’s be clear here, you are attributing all these economic things to an ethnic group, not to the actual policies and the leaders behind it. Your blaming the entire ethnic group. That stands that you fail any sort of reasoning, and are unable to comprehend how a political economy works. Which doesn’t surprise me, you are an ignorant racist asshole who clearly only wishes to spout his factual wrongness like some sort of Bellagio hotel.
I fail to see any factual comparison between cultures. I’ll suggest some areas to start comparing culture and not economic policy of nations (Which are a different unit of analysis then an ethnic group, bro). Food is a great way to compare. You can compare mythos. These are very specifically cultural items that attribute themselves to ethnic identity. You can linguistically compare. Come on man, you can get that poor mouse in your brain to start running on its wheel. Give it a boost.
As for Tropes, uh, hate to break it to you Brobachev, but it’s actually used in everyday life for many people beyond academia. I’d point out that the form a trope takes in Anthropology and in TVTropes does differ. but it’s a common enough term to be culturally significant. But then, this is coming from you, who can’t even manage to think on a spectrum, much less think.
Ugh. Juan is now banned. I’m sick of his creepy Nazi pedo shit and his heeheeeheees. There were a bunch of his comments in moderation, and I sent them to the trash.